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tkf
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CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:fishmike wrote:tkf wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I would rather trade for a Parsons or Heyward and sign them for $12-15milNo more $20m+ colossal albatrosses Im glad your not my GM... go look at Denver's roster. Paying guys like that doesnt work in the NBA. You have two guys combining for star money and have half the impact. And btw.. McDyess was a trade, not a FA. Not fair to bring up stupid Knick moves and say "this is what happens" worked as far as what? Denver has been better than the knicks since they made the trade.. the 20+ mil bust the knicks have attained has done nothing for us.... why is this so hard to see.. I don't get you and this denver thing.. every situation around the NBA, regardless of what we are talking about, you apply denver... we could be talking about the NBA age limit rule and you will bring up how it hasn't worked for Denver... LOL.. I don't get it.. Denvers top paid player is ty lawson and he makes a little under 12 mil a year, and i can guarantee you, with the exception of just a few teams, he would be starting and that team would be very happy... I will go as far as to say, dump out two 20 million dollar humps, in carmelo and amare, give me chandler parsons and ty lawson, lance stephenson and paul milsap and we would be MUCH better, and we could get all of them for what we pay our two albatross stars.... dont get emotional because I brought up the team that has your avatar Gallo on their roster.Why Denver? Because Denver is capped out, not a playoff team and they are paying $20mm to Gallo, Chandler and Hickson, all who are good players but low impact guys. NOT the guys you spend $20mm on when your not in the playoffs and have no star or cornerstone to build around. Ty Lawson is great. Denver may be better then the Knicks since the trade but they arent better. At least with Melo they made the playoffs every year. Now they are capped out hoping guys like Gallo will get healthy so they can take the next step... and get back to where they were when Melo was on the team. You know... winning. The playoffs. Maybe even a chance to advance. As of now they are a lottery team capped out paying role players. So back to the topic... and Shumpert. Even if Shump has a great season I dont want to pay him $6-$8mm whatever it is *IF* its Phil's intention to let the big contracts come off and use cap space to sign max guys. That money (on Shump) is NOT well spent when I am trying to bring a star into here to play pair with MElo or if he's gone 2+ guys to start building around. If Phil's intention is to get this squad playing well and then moving Amare/Chandler/Bargs expirings for younger or better guys who have longer deals then this chat is moot anyway... then you just sign Shump and be happy you have him. Capped out = keep your own guys.
back to the topic? I have been on topic.. Listen you can root for any player you want, that is your right, but as a knick fan, i am going to call out those who continue to champion this flawed way of business.. going after flawed max players who are not going to get you to contention. carmelo isn't the building block for a winner, he is more like a helicopter blade on a 3000 piece lego set man..
Why Denver? Because Denver is capped out, not a playoff team and they are paying $20mm to Gallo, Chandler and Hickson, all who are good players but low impact guys. NOT the guys you spend $20mm on when your not in the playoffs and have no star or cornerstone to build around. low impact guys? they won 57 games with a core of gallo, lawson, faried, and chandler.. come on bro... You keep talking about building around this cornerstone, they are building around a core group of players the way indiana has done, the way the spurs have done.. get your miami pipe dreams out of the way.. those guys had to collude to do what they did and on top of that there are no more wade's and lebrons out there!! One more thing, the only reason why denver was not in playoff contention is because they were without gallo and mcgee.... what was our excuse? At least with Melo they made the playoffs every year. well maybe that bum should have stayed his azz in denver.. don't you think? and another thing about cap space.. if your boy carmelo opts in, they will have around the same cap space in 2015 as Denver, maybe 5mil less.. and guess what fish..denver will still have all of it's core pieces, plus picks.. which the knicks don't have.. please stop with the ridiculous attempts to try to bring down denver to make you feel better about this nuclear dump called the knicks at this moment.. I thought you could make a pretty strong argument that Iguodola was their best player on that 57 win team but he didn't make your list? Also, he walked for nothing. Chandler missed half the season that year. Iggy left, Gallo has been out over a year, Karl was fired, Ujiri left and the team wants to build around McGee and his big contract. Fish is right. The Nuggets need a star. I forgot about iggy, he was a big part of that team, but I still felt that was a mid 40 win team without him.. to be honest, Iggy struggled a big with denver, he really didn't fit in all that well.. as far as them needing a star, so does every other team outside of miami, San antonio and OKC... let me ask this question crush, if Denver had a star, and they still sustained all of these injuries, no Gallo, no chandler, no iggy, a new coach.. do you think they are a playoff team in the west? NO.. so I don't agree with you or fish here... fish isn't right, Denver needed to be more healthy than anything... the knicks need a star more than they do... if you want to keep it real.. just look at our payroll and tax situation, we are so restricted .... if anything we need a star.. good luck with that.. Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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6/10/2014 9:07 AM