sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

If thats melo's basis then he really is a fool.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

I cant see it now....Melo left because Steve Kerr got paid and he couldnt.

If thats melo's basis then he really is a fool.

No he leaves because there are better opportunities to win elsewhere...If he stays then he has to be patient for pieces to be added..But I won't be sure the real reason these guys are here as we are in the middle of a Batman and Robbing money grab...

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

I cant see it now....Melo left because Steve Kerr got paid and he couldnt.

If thats melo's basis then he really is a fool.

No he leaves because there are better opportunities to win elsewhere...If he stays then he has to be patient for pieces to be added..But I won't be sure the real reason these guys are here as we are in the middle of a Batman and Robbing money grab...

But if he is going to make that type of money, then I would expect him to produce results in accordance with it. That doesn't mean we win a championship in year one or two - even God couldn't coach this mess to a championship.
But they should establish some tangible metric for success on a year upon year basis. Problem is we fans will probably never hear about it.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:Nobody is saying it but are all these argument a racial thing?

Why should the pretty white boy think he is worth all this money without any damn experience and get it, and an african american rookie coach like mark jackson only deserves half the money? Or is not even being considered?

Maybe I'm wrong but it certainly sounds that people are upset because Kerr is the white flavor of the day.

Perhaps it is even a valid argument I just wish that if people felt this way then they would just say it.

Really wouldnt to go there with this, but for the record I'm black and I could care less how much management makes.

Why not? If its there and bothering people then why not just get it out in the open?

Maybe you don't care but it seems that some feel that there may be a double standard.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:Nobody is saying it but are all these argument a racial thing?

Why should the pretty white boy think he is worth all this money without any damn experience and get it, and an african american rookie coach like mark jackson only deserves half the money? Or is not even being considered?

Maybe I'm wrong but it certainly sounds that people are upset because Kerr is the white flavor of the day.

Perhaps it is even a valid argument I just wish that if people felt this way then they would just say it.

Really wouldnt to go there with this, but for the record I'm black and I could care less how much management makes.

Why not? If its there and bothering people then why not just get it out in the open?

Maybe you don't care but it seems that some feel that there may be a double standard.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:Nobody is saying it but are all these argument a racial thing?

Why should the pretty white boy think he is worth all this money without any damn experience and get it, and an african american rookie coach like mark jackson only deserves half the money? Or is not even being considered?

Maybe I'm wrong but it certainly sounds that people are upset because Kerr is the white flavor of the day.

Perhaps it is even a valid argument I just wish that if people felt this way then they would just say it.

Really wouldnt to go there with this, but for the record I'm black and I could care less how much management makes.

Why not? If its there and bothering people then why not just get it out in the open?

Maybe you don't care but it seems that some feel that there may be a double standard.

This is not about race. Please stop.

I think that with the couple of posters that are continuously making the biggest stink, it (partially) is about race.

I will leave it alone.

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

I cant see it now....Melo left because Steve Kerr got paid and he couldnt.

If thats melo's basis then he really is a fool.

No he leaves because there are better opportunities to win elsewhere...If he stays then he has to be patient for pieces to be added..But I won't be sure the real reason these guys are here as we are in the middle of a Batman and Robbing money grab...

Wouldn't that be true regardless of how much Kerr gets?

Well my thought was Phil was brought in here to sell Melo on staying in New York...Phil with Championship cred is here to sell culture change and sacrifice to Melo so he can be patient...I think Melo wants to be here..But if you as a player is seeing everyone who are telling you about sacrifice do a money grab, trying to get as much as they can, all that culture change stuff now becomes BS...It's what every other big name coach or GM has done...Are you going to say it can't be perceived that way???

his salary isn't restricted by cap, so why do you care