holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr hates ISO-ball..I wonder if he mentioned that to Michael when he played..

Could be why he got punched in the face.

But seriously what does that have to do with anything? Kerr wasn't the coach at the time.

ISO ball is such a bad word in today's game..All great offensive players does ISO...That's the point..

all great players or all great winners?

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr hates ISO-ball..I wonder if he mentioned that to Michael when he played..

Could be why he got punched in the face.

But seriously what does that have to do with anything? Kerr wasn't the coach at the time.

ISO ball is such a bad word in today's game..All great offensive players does ISO...That's the point..

I do get what you're saying but I think on this forum when someone says "ISO ball" they mean something a little more specific

Like?

Our last second "don't know what to do so let's dump it to Melo and hope for the best" occurrences that Phil pointed out and Melo himself even alluded to. Also, the fact that down the stretch our only play was to just give him the ball over and over again and hope it works out.

I don't think ISO itself is bad but we've all seen how over reliance on it can be a bad thing.

Well that's a function of the players isn't it...When people refer to ISO around here, they are often referring to the style of play Woody likes, which isn't necessarily true true or the style of play Melo likes...That is what I garner from the ISO ball reference...

It's a function of everyone. Every time people here complained about iso it was when we made it our only strategy late in games or sometimes throughout the entire game. 2 seasons ago when we moved the ball and Melo isolated himself every once in a while, no one complained because iso's are part of the game.

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

That Cleveland game reay sticks out. Ignoring Amare, ripping the ba out of Felton's hands etc

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr hates ISO-ball..I wonder if he mentioned that to Michael when he played..

Could be why he got punched in the face.

But seriously what does that have to do with anything? Kerr wasn't the coach at the time.

ISO ball is such a bad word in today's game..All great offensive players does ISO...That's the point..

I do get what you're saying but I think on this forum when someone says "ISO ball" they mean something a little more specific

Like?

Our last second "don't know what to do so let's dump it to Melo and hope for the best" occurrences that Phil pointed out and Melo himself even alluded to. Also, the fact that down the stretch our only play was to just give him the ball over and over again and hope it works out.

I don't think ISO itself is bad but we've all seen how over reliance on it can be a bad thing.

Well that's a function of the players isn't it...When people refer to ISO around here, they are often referring to the style of play Woody likes, which isn't necessarily true true or the style of play Melo likes...That is what I garner from the ISO ball reference...

It's a function of everyone. Every time people here complained about iso it was when we made it our only strategy late in games or sometimes throughout the entire game. 2 seasons ago when we moved the ball and Melo isolated himself every once in a while, no one complained because iso's are part of the game.

Two seasons ago, players were hitting their 3 point shots...Two seasons ago, Felton did a better job getting into the lane and dishing...Two seasons ago Kidd did a good job making the extra pass...Woody's approach didn't change, the results changed ..When results changed, players took the easy way out, Melo..But I doubt very much it was Woody's game plan to dump it to Melo when the shot clock is running out..

With regards to the end of game plays, I would rather Melo take that shot than any other Knick...KD, Bron, Kobe, etc gets that ball 95% of the times in those situations...

And I too don't think Woodson told them to give it to Melo when all else fails.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...

Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...

Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..

Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...

shaq did it on 58fg% with 3.4 assists per game.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...

Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..

Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...

shaq did it on 58fg% with 3.4 assists per game.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...

Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..

Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...

I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...

Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..

Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...

I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

But you are making excuses....does Melo seriously need fellow all stars just to make the playoffs in the east?

Somebody needs to tell John Wall and Big Al they shouldnt have made the playoffs since they didnt have all star help.

Even the Hawks made it and their all star was done for the season.

but I joined this convo to dismiss that minutes claim...nobody in the league played more minutes than Durant and he excelled doing so.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...

Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..

Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...

I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

I didnt bring up the Lakers, you did...havent mentioned them at all.

But you are making excuses....does Melo seriously need fellow all stars just to make the playoffs in the east?

Somebody needs to tell John Wall and Big Al they shouldnt have made the playoffs since they didnt have all star help.

Even the Hawks made it and their all star was done for the season.

but I joined this convo to dismiss that minutes claim...nobody in the league played more minutes than Durant and he excelled doing so.

This is the first time he has missed the playoffs in 11 years of playing basketball...You said that with those numbers all others(Shaq was the last guy) couldn't make the playoffs..The last guy that did it was playing with Kobe, do u think that makes a bit of difference???..

So no, you didn't say Lakers..The Lakers were the last team that made the playoffs with one guy going 28 and 8..

I was responding about your claim about his minutes which is false as well.