gunsnewing wrote:The fact that Melo can only succeed with a superstar pass first pg is enough reason to feel he's not a max player if you want to contend not just make the playoffs

If you are referring to Billups, he was not a pass first PG. Neither was Iverson but Melo played well with him too (though Iverson was a miserable failure in the playoffs in Denver)

LegendaryKnicks wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The fact that Melo can only succeed with a superstar pass first pg is enough reason to feel he's not a max player if you want to contend not just make the playoffs

Define "succeed." Is that winning a championship? I have full confidence that with Melo we can win it all, but we have to put the pieces around him to do it. You can't give him out of shape guys like Raymond Felton at point guard and ask him to win 50 years, or lazy bums like Bargnani in the front guard who can't guard a pylon.

At least Dirk had guys around him, Tim Duncan has guy around him, to warrant a pay cut to add even more. What have we given Melo? One knee'd Amar'e and a rebellious chucker in JR Smith?

had he waited for free agency he would have had mozgov, gallinari, maybe wil chandler, fields, and a pending upgrade over felton. oh and picks, we had picks too.

as it is he did not want to play with lin, could not mesh profitably with amare, and made fields less than he had been by having to share the floor with him.

bottom line we would be ahead of where we are today, which is essentially overhaul. the only thing carmelo anthony has ever facilitated is the demise of the very team he wanted to come to, consequences be damned.

Silverfuel wrote:I think Melo would be the first player to do that. At least to stay in NY. Most players stay in NY for more money. Players like Jeremy Lin who completely suck in the playoffs leave for more money. Hopefully Melo stays.

gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks gave up so much for Melo they might as well keep him and give him whatever he wants

Sucks but it is what it is

This is a BS post. No one that was traded for Melo has come close to playing at a high level. Gallo has barely played any games. If Amare stayed healthy, the Knicks would be in the playoffs and not lost the pick this year. Melo is an easy target.

the knicks would have made the playoffs as a number 7 or 8 seed in the 2011-2012 season. they could have gone 10 and 18 the rest of the way and still made it in as the 8th seed... ahead of indiana. in other words we were ahead of several other teams who have since leapfrogged over us in the cycle of moving from lottery teams to playoff teams and even contenders:

Eastern Conference	W	L	W-L%	GB	PS/G	PA/G	SRS
Atlantic Division	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
Boston Celtics* (3)	56	26	.683	—	96.5	91.1	4.83
New York Knicks* (6)	42	40	.512	14.0	106.5	105.7	0.48
Philadelphia 76ers* (7)	41	41	.500	15.0	99.0	97.5	1.01
New Jersey Nets (12)	24	58	.293	32.0	94.2	100.4	-6.28
Toronto Raptors (14)	22	60	.268	34.0	99.1	105.4	-6.28
Central Division	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
Chicago Bulls* (1)	62	20	.756	—	98.6	91.3	6.53
Indiana Pacers* (8)	37	45	.451	25.0	99.8	100.9	-1.38
Milwaukee Bucks (9)	35	47	.427	27.0	91.9	92.7	-1.02
Detroit Pistons (11)	30	52	.366	32.0	97.0	100.6	-3.78
Cleveland Cavaliers (15)19	63	.232	43.0	95.5	104.5	-8.88
Southeast Division	 	 	 	 	 	 	 
Miami Heat* (2)	        58	24	.707	—	102.1	94.6	6.76
Orlando Magic* (4)	52	30	.634	6.0	99.2	93.7	4.92
Atlanta Hawks* (5)	44	38	.537	14.0	95.0	95.8	-1.10
Charlotte Bobcats (10)	34	48	.415	24.0	93.3	97.3	-4.08
Washington Wizards (13)	23	59	.280	35.0	97.3	104.7	-7.30

it's absolutely unacceptable that the knicks are back to square one just three seasons later!!! melo is an easy target alright....

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I agree. Melo and a bunch of NBDL and vet min players will only get you to the playoffs...

I doubt that

True we saw what happened this year. An oveepaid Tyson and injury riddled Amare doesn't cut it 2nd rd exit at best

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

dirk had tyson chandler, so did carmelo, you act as if dirk was playing with a all world cast.. Dirk is/ was a better player than carmelo by a good margin, his ability to hit clutch shots, his leadership, and overall game, allowed him to have more success... the end...

Tyson Chandler of today is not the same Tyson Chandler 4 years ago...Jason Terry was much better than JR..JKidd 4 years ago versus Felton...JJ Barea versus Pablo??..Marion of 4 years ago versus today's Amare...Caron Butler versus who???..Couple of other guys I'm missing...

chandler was DPOY in NY, am I correct?

JR smith was 6th man, am i correct?

dallas had neither with dirk..

Jason Terry was 6th man of the year...DHow should have won it the year Tyson did...Tyson as DYOP is hilarious to me, but it was Tyson defense that won them the Chip...It's the reason we overpaid for Tyson...Bron also had a better defensive year than Chandler that year...

so now you want to knock chandler to fit your argument..

the difference was dirk.. it is simple.. dirk is a much better player than carmelo... that is what matters...

Don't take my word for it, Chandler got destroyed by Hibbert last year in the playoffs..Yes, Hibbert who netted 0 pts and 2 rebs in 2 games against the Hawks..Chandler isn't the same player...So tell me about JKIdd versus Glock Felton, Caron Bultler, Deshawn Stevenson, Barea versus Pablo, Marion versus 20 mins per game, no D Amare...Jason Terry and suspended for weed, I refuse to shoot, JR...

The main thing is how the best players perform....Dirk Rose up in the finals, Melo shrunk in the second round.

Players follow their leaders/best players.

Dirk was shooting 48% overall...46% from three and a ridiculous 95% at the line.

Now if Melo had done any of this during any playoff run, the Knicks would be better regardless of talent on the floor.

But nope....37%, 41%, 40% and garbage from three.

bingo!! THIS IS typical of some of these posters, they will ignore that carmelo was one of the biggest culprits during most of his playoff runs.. they will point to other players not playing well but will ignore that carmelo himself was not good at all... until they address that I will continue to point that out, and I am glad you did as well..

no its only typical of you. Dirk has been all over the place in the playoffs. He's played well and won. He's played poorly and won. He's played well and lost and played poorly and lost.

Dirk has been eliminated in the first round 6 times. 2 of those his team was a top seed. Dirk also won an MVP in 06-07, while his team won 67 games. Why dont you google those playoffs and tell me what happened? Dirk followed his MVP season up by shooting 38% in a first round 4-2 spanking at the hands of the Warriors and Baron Davis.

It happens. Dirk's teams have had a few of the NBA's worst playoff upsets.

A real basketball chat would involve how Melo/Dirk have been outstanding scorers on teams without a clearly defined #2 or #3 options, and how that has clearly hurt their teams come post season. But we have the realGM exiles who's only agenda is Melo hate, so this is what you get.

I could only imagine that haters reaction if the Knicks won 67 games and flamed out in round one while Melo shoots the 38% Dirk shot. But we are establishing Melo's loserness and every other's players greatness over him, so lets gloss over Dirk's many and memorable failures, lets gloss over his own fans called him "Irk" with no D after those failures, and lets just focus on something he did that Melo didnt and pretend there was no process and that it only happened because Melo sucks and everyone else doesnt. Sounds about right...

its mind boggling and also breathtakingly ridiculous that you keep bringing up dirk to try to validate carmelo.... Dirk has 2 finals appearances and a ring.. His team is the only team to eliminate this current heat team since lebron.. take note of that... You keep forgetting that dirk is also a better player than carmelo...over a 15 year career I am sure any great player will have a number of flame outs, or first round failures.. but carmelo has had the majority of his career go this way... you do understand he has the worst playoff record among active players.. no where is dirk on that list or close to it..

here is a list of players over the past 20 years..

1. Carmelo Anthony, 16-36, .308

2. Mookie Blaylock, 18-36, .333

3. Eduardo Najera, 20-39, .339

4. Chris Dudley, 20-34, .370

5. Brad Miller, 19-31, .380

6. Anthony Peeler, 22-35, .386

7. Marcus Camby, 30-46, .395

8. Stacey Augmon, 31-46, .403

9. Shane Battier, 22-32, .407

10. Tyron Corbin, 28-40, .412

Take note, none of the players on here are considered "franchise" players, or "top 10" players.. except for you guys anointing carmelo as such.. LOL.. go figure..

It happens. Dirk's teams have had a few of the NBA's worst playoff upsets.

ok, and also have been on the end of one of the biggest series wins in the NBA playoffs shocking the miami heat with leberon, wade, and bosh?

what is your POINT fishmike????????

lets gloss over his own fans called him "Irk" with no D after those failures, and lets just focus on something he did that Melo didnt and pretend there was no process and that it only happened because Melo sucks and everyone else doesnt. Sounds about right...

NO lets not gloss over it.. I called him out for not defending and playing closer to the basket, I even created a thread on realgm(since you like to refer to that site) about dirk needed to get closer to the hoop to take his team to the next level.. but guess what... fans are not saying that anymore.. and guess why?

Dirk has won!!!! the end... and on top of that, lets be clear, dirk doesn't have the rep as a coach killer and malcontent like carmeloser has....

You are comparing almost apples and oranges here... it is ridiculous to compare this broken down u-haul van in carmelo to a well run diesel truck in Dirk.. it is silly, absolutely ridiculous that you keep bringing in such a superior player to try and prove a point, a point I don't even think you know at this juncture..

guess what fish, here is something you need to understand.. sometimes you suck until you don't, you are not a winner until you win, you are not a clutch player until you hit clutch shots.. it is simple!!! you are trying to pawn off his failures on everyone else, or point to someone else failures to validate carmelo... well that would make sense if you were comparing similar situations.. dirk is not in the same boat.. why is that so hard to understand?

I could only imagine that haters reaction if the Knicks won 67 games and flamed out in round one while Melo shoots the 38% Dirk shot.

or maybe we would remember the great finals run he had vs the heat in which many fans felt the mavs were jobbed by the officiating in that series nicknamed "D- whistle"... in that playoff run he shot 47% , 27ppg with 12 boards....

and we would have fallen even more in love with him when he goes back to the finals in 2011 and beat the heat team, no one has yet beaten in the playoffs since.... and oh 28ppg 8 boards and 48% shooting.. again, I don't need to look any further than what dirk has done.. forget that jason terry was not playing well that series, and that tyson chandler was up and down..

but yea I know, I know... "carmelo has no heeeeeeelp"

that story is getting old and tired.. like carmelo

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

dirk had tyson chandler, so did carmelo, you act as if dirk was playing with a all world cast.. Dirk is/ was a better player than carmelo by a good margin, his ability to hit clutch shots, his leadership, and overall game, allowed him to have more success... the end...

Tyson Chandler of today is not the same Tyson Chandler 4 years ago...Jason Terry was much better than JR..JKidd 4 years ago versus Felton...JJ Barea versus Pablo??..Marion of 4 years ago versus today's Amare...Caron Butler versus who???..Couple of other guys I'm missing...

chandler was DPOY in NY, am I correct?

JR smith was 6th man, am i correct?

dallas had neither with dirk..

Jason Terry was 6th man of the year...DHow should have won it the year Tyson did...Tyson as DYOP is hilarious to me, but it was Tyson defense that won them the Chip...It's the reason we overpaid for Tyson...Bron also had a better defensive year than Chandler that year...

so now you want to knock chandler to fit your argument..

the difference was dirk.. it is simple.. dirk is a much better player than carmelo... that is what matters...

Don't take my word for it, Chandler got destroyed by Hibbert last year in the playoffs..Yes, Hibbert who netted 0 pts and 2 rebs in 2 games against the Hawks..Chandler isn't the same player...So tell me about JKIdd versus Glock Felton, Caron Bultler, Deshawn Stevenson, Barea versus Pablo, Marion versus 20 mins per game, no D Amare...Jason Terry and suspended for weed, I refuse to shoot, JR...

The main thing is how the best players perform....Dirk Rose up in the finals, Melo shrunk in the second round.

Players follow their leaders/best players.

Dirk was shooting 48% overall...46% from three and a ridiculous 95% at the line.

Now if Melo had done any of this during any playoff run, the Knicks would be better regardless of talent on the floor.

But nope....37%, 41%, 40% and garbage from three.

bingo!! THIS IS typical of some of these posters, they will ignore that carmelo was one of the biggest culprits during most of his playoff runs.. they will point to other players not playing well but will ignore that carmelo himself was not good at all... until they address that I will continue to point that out, and I am glad you did as well..

no its only typical of you. Dirk has been all over the place in the playoffs. He's played well and won. He's played poorly and won. He's played well and lost and played poorly and lost.

Dirk has been eliminated in the first round 6 times. 2 of those his team was a top seed. Dirk also won an MVP in 06-07, while his team won 67 games. Why dont you google those playoffs and tell me what happened? Dirk followed his MVP season up by shooting 38% in a first round 4-2 spanking at the hands of the Warriors and Baron Davis.

It happens. Dirk's teams have had a few of the NBA's worst playoff upsets.

A real basketball chat would involve how Melo/Dirk have been outstanding scorers on teams without a clearly defined #2 or #3 options, and how that has clearly hurt their teams come post season. But we have the realGM exiles who's only agenda is Melo hate, so this is what you get.

I could only imagine that haters reaction if the Knicks won 67 games and flamed out in round one while Melo shoots the 38% Dirk shot. But we are establishing Melo's loserness and every other's players greatness over him, so lets gloss over Dirk's many and memorable failures, lets gloss over his own fans called him "Irk" with no D after those failures, and lets just focus on something he did that Melo didnt and pretend there was no process and that it only happened because Melo sucks and everyone else doesnt. Sounds about right...

its mind boggling and also breathtakingly ridiculous that you keep bringing up dirk to try to validate carmelo.... Dirk has 2 finals appearances and a ring.. His team is the only team to eliminate this current heat team since lebron.. take note of that... You keep forgetting that dirk is also a better player than carmelo...over a 15 year career I am sure any great player will have a number of flame outs, or first round failures.. but carmelo has had the majority of his career go this way... you do understand he has the worst playoff record among active players.. no where is dirk on that list or close to it..

here is a list of players over the past 20 years..

1. Carmelo Anthony, 16-36, .308

2. Mookie Blaylock, 18-36, .333

3. Eduardo Najera, 20-39, .339

4. Chris Dudley, 20-34, .370

5. Brad Miller, 19-31, .380

6. Anthony Peeler, 22-35, .386

7. Marcus Camby, 30-46, .395

8. Stacey Augmon, 31-46, .403

9. Shane Battier, 22-32, .407

10. Tyron Corbin, 28-40, .412

Take note, none of the players on here are considered "franchise" players, or "top 10" players.. except for you guys anointing carmelo as such.. LOL.. go figure..

It happens. Dirk's teams have had a few of the NBA's worst playoff upsets.

ok, and also have been on the end of one of the biggest series wins in the NBA playoffs shocking the miami heat with leberon, wade, and bosh?

what is your POINT fishmike????????

lets gloss over his own fans called him "Irk" with no D after those failures, and lets just focus on something he did that Melo didnt and pretend there was no process and that it only happened because Melo sucks and everyone else doesnt. Sounds about right...

NO lets not gloss over it.. I called him out for not defending and playing closer to the basket, I even created a thread on realgm(since you like to refer to that site) about dirk needed to get closer to the hoop to take his team to the next level.. but guess what... fans are not saying that anymore.. and guess why?

Dirk has won!!!! the end... and on top of that, lets be clear, dirk doesn't have the rep as a coach killer and malcontent like carmeloser has....

You are comparing almost apples and oranges here... it is ridiculous to compare this broken down u-haul van in carmelo to a well run diesel truck in Dirk.. it is silly, absolutely ridiculous that you keep bringing in such a superior player to try and prove a point that honestly you have been able to do over the past few months..

I could only imagine that haters reaction if the Knicks won 67 games and flamed out in round one while Melo shoots the 38% Dirk shot.

or maybe we would remember the great finals run he had vs the heat in which many fans felt the mavs were jobbed by the officiating in that series nicknamed "D- whistle"... in that playoff run he shot 47% , 27ppg with 12 boards....

and we would have fallen even more in love with him when he goes back to the finals in 2011 and beat the heat team, no one has yet beaten in the playoffs since.... and oh 28ppg 8 boards and 48% shooting.. again, I don't need to look any further than what dirk has done.. forget that jason terry was not playing well that series, and that tyson chandler was up and down..

but yea I know, I know... "carmelo has no heeeeeeelp"

that story is getting old and tired.. like carmelo

That will be Phil's task. That is why he's here.

Good job typing all that out though.... Maybe someone will read it.

Nobody is jumping off a bridge when Melo leaves. When Phil resigns Melo, well... Ill give YOU directions. DK will already be there waiting with a fruity ****tail for you

Dirk is better... and still got sent home in round 1 six times. Dirk is better and pulled one of the biggest choke acts ever. Normal folks can discuss these things. You cant because its becoming clear that Melo's tenure on the Knicks has caused you legit mental problems. Kicked off realGM for Gallo wanking and Melo hating only to continue your hate here or anywhere that will have you.

What are you going to do when Phil resigns him? Pathetic dude. You have reached a really sad spot.

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:dirk had been a first team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011
dirk had been a second team all-nba player 4 times before 2010-2011

if melo is looking at dirk's monetary sacrifice and comparing himself to dirk in terms of recognized greatness, then asking for anything more than 13-14 million a year with the knicks is the height of conceit and delusion. melo needs to sack up and do what's best for the team and not what he believes is best for himself. he tried it once and it hasn't turned out too well.

only greed and ego will make him want more.

If melo 'sacrifices' like dirk he has to get 21 mil to net the same as dirk because if ny/NYC income tax.

dirk is head and shoulders better than melo-- that's why i listed the all-nba awards, of which there is a predominance of 1st and 2nd team elections. the mvp means nothing so i did not include it. dirk was also homegrown, was willing to stay with the team that drafted him.

2008-09	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$18,077,904
2009-10	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,795,714
2010-11	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$17,278,618
2011-12	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$19,092,873
2012-13	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$20,907,128
2013-14	Dallas Mavericks	NBA	$22,721,381

hence, melo should have stayed with denver instead of creating a worse situation for himself through greed and ego. if he wants to make amends and is serious about remaining a knick he should undo the damage he did and stay in new york for 12-14 million.

2010-11	New York Knicks	NBA	$17,149,243
2011-12	New York Knicks	NBA	$18,518,574
2012-13	New York Knicks	NBA	$19,450,000
2013-14	New York Knicks	NBA	$22,407,474

melo is merely two-thirds the player that nowitzki is. a few people may want to argue this point by denigrating nowitzki somehow. this is the usual tactic used to somehow put lipstick on a pig.

two-thirds of dirk's title year salary is 11-12 million. this is the range that is fair for melo, although 12-14 million is hold-your-nose doable. you start asking for more than that and it's really a non-starter for the knicks.

so simple.

Dirk is no longer the player he once was, he isn't even the best player on his team...Dirk is 5 years older than Melo but has had a better career than Melo thus far...He has also played with better players...You stated that Dirk "sacrificed", when and where??...

Why do you think Melo need to make amends to you???..Why would Melo take 12-14 mil from the Knicks, when Chicago is ready to offer him 19 mil per???

dirk had tyson chandler, so did carmelo, you act as if dirk was playing with a all world cast.. Dirk is/ was a better player than carmelo by a good margin, his ability to hit clutch shots, his leadership, and overall game, allowed him to have more success... the end...

Tyson Chandler of today is not the same Tyson Chandler 4 years ago...Jason Terry was much better than JR..JKidd 4 years ago versus Felton...JJ Barea versus Pablo??..Marion of 4 years ago versus today's Amare...Caron Butler versus who???..Couple of other guys I'm missing...

chandler was DPOY in NY, am I correct?

JR smith was 6th man, am i correct?

dallas had neither with dirk..

Jason Terry was 6th man of the year...DHow should have won it the year Tyson did...Tyson as DYOP is hilarious to me, but it was Tyson defense that won them the Chip...It's the reason we overpaid for Tyson...Bron also had a better defensive year than Chandler that year...

so now you want to knock chandler to fit your argument..

the difference was dirk.. it is simple.. dirk is a much better player than carmelo... that is what matters...

Don't take my word for it, Chandler got destroyed by Hibbert last year in the playoffs..Yes, Hibbert who netted 0 pts and 2 rebs in 2 games against the Hawks..Chandler isn't the same player...So tell me about JKIdd versus Glock Felton, Caron Bultler, Deshawn Stevenson, Barea versus Pablo, Marion versus 20 mins per game, no D Amare...Jason Terry and suspended for weed, I refuse to shoot, JR...

The main thing is how the best players perform....Dirk Rose up in the finals, Melo shrunk in the second round.

Players follow their leaders/best players.

Dirk was shooting 48% overall...46% from three and a ridiculous 95% at the line.

Now if Melo had done any of this during any playoff run, the Knicks would be better regardless of talent on the floor.

But nope....37%, 41%, 40% and garbage from three.

bingo!! THIS IS typical of some of these posters, they will ignore that carmelo was one of the biggest culprits during most of his playoff runs.. they will point to other players not playing well but will ignore that carmelo himself was not good at all... until they address that I will continue to point that out, and I am glad you did as well..

no its only typical of you. Dirk has been all over the place in the playoffs. He's played well and won. He's played poorly and won. He's played well and lost and played poorly and lost.

Dirk has been eliminated in the first round 6 times. 2 of those his team was a top seed. Dirk also won an MVP in 06-07, while his team won 67 games. Why dont you google those playoffs and tell me what happened? Dirk followed his MVP season up by shooting 38% in a first round 4-2 spanking at the hands of the Warriors and Baron Davis.

It happens. Dirk's teams have had a few of the NBA's worst playoff upsets.

A real basketball chat would involve how Melo/Dirk have been outstanding scorers on teams without a clearly defined #2 or #3 options, and how that has clearly hurt their teams come post season. But we have the realGM exiles who's only agenda is Melo hate, so this is what you get.

I could only imagine that haters reaction if the Knicks won 67 games and flamed out in round one while Melo shoots the 38% Dirk shot. But we are establishing Melo's loserness and every other's players greatness over him, so lets gloss over Dirk's many and memorable failures, lets gloss over his own fans called him "Irk" with no D after those failures, and lets just focus on something he did that Melo didnt and pretend there was no process and that it only happened because Melo sucks and everyone else doesnt. Sounds about right...

its mind boggling and also breathtakingly ridiculous that you keep bringing up dirk to try to validate carmelo.... Dirk has 2 finals appearances and a ring.. His team is the only team to eliminate this current heat team since lebron.. take note of that... You keep forgetting that dirk is also a better player than carmelo...over a 15 year career I am sure any great player will have a number of flame outs, or first round failures.. but carmelo has had the majority of his career go this way... you do understand he has the worst playoff record among active players.. no where is dirk on that list or close to it..

here is a list of players over the past 20 years..

1. Carmelo Anthony, 16-36, .308

2. Mookie Blaylock, 18-36, .333

3. Eduardo Najera, 20-39, .339

4. Chris Dudley, 20-34, .370

5. Brad Miller, 19-31, .380

6. Anthony Peeler, 22-35, .386

7. Marcus Camby, 30-46, .395

8. Stacey Augmon, 31-46, .403

9. Shane Battier, 22-32, .407

10. Tyron Corbin, 28-40, .412

Take note, none of the players on here are considered "franchise" players, or "top 10" players.. except for you guys anointing carmelo as such.. LOL.. go figure..

It happens. Dirk's teams have had a few of the NBA's worst playoff upsets.

ok, and also have been on the end of one of the biggest series wins in the NBA playoffs shocking the miami heat with leberon, wade, and bosh?

what is your POINT fishmike????????

lets gloss over his own fans called him "Irk" with no D after those failures, and lets just focus on something he did that Melo didnt and pretend there was no process and that it only happened because Melo sucks and everyone else doesnt. Sounds about right...

NO lets not gloss over it.. I called him out for not defending and playing closer to the basket, I even created a thread on realgm(since you like to refer to that site) about dirk needed to get closer to the hoop to take his team to the next level.. but guess what... fans are not saying that anymore.. and guess why?

Dirk has won!!!! the end... and on top of that, lets be clear, dirk doesn't have the rep as a coach killer and malcontent like carmeloser has....

You are comparing almost apples and oranges here... it is ridiculous to compare this broken down u-haul van in carmelo to a well run diesel truck in Dirk.. it is silly, absolutely ridiculous that you keep bringing in such a superior player to try and prove a point that honestly you have been able to do over the past few months..

I could only imagine that haters reaction if the Knicks won 67 games and flamed out in round one while Melo shoots the 38% Dirk shot.

or maybe we would remember the great finals run he had vs the heat in which many fans felt the mavs were jobbed by the officiating in that series nicknamed "D- whistle"... in that playoff run he shot 47% , 27ppg with 12 boards....

and we would have fallen even more in love with him when he goes back to the finals in 2011 and beat the heat team, no one has yet beaten in the playoffs since.... and oh 28ppg 8 boards and 48% shooting.. again, I don't need to look any further than what dirk has done.. forget that jason terry was not playing well that series, and that tyson chandler was up and down..

but yea I know, I know... "carmelo has no heeeeeeelp"

that story is getting old and tired.. like carmelo

you need help buddy. Spinning your wheels a little too deep for me to play in your mud today. I stopped reading after the first line because I dont need to do anything to validate Melo or make excuses. Knicks were in the lottery for a decade. Melo brought 3 years of playoffs and the winning % got better every year. Last year was his first losing season of his career making it a one off. My expectation is that we pick up where the 54 win team left off, not last year's mess.

That will be Phil's task. That is why he's here.

Good job typing all that out though.... Maybe someone will read it.

Nobody is jumping off a bridge when Melo leaves. When Phil resigns Melo, well... Ill give YOU directions. DK will already be there waiting with a fruity ****tail for you

how much would you like to see phil jackson pay carmelo anthiny?

dk7th wrote:how much would you like to see phil jackson pay carmelo anthiny?