Last year is last year.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Uptown wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:Jordan sucked before phil jax he dropped buckets but couldnt win in a peanut race

Jordan sucked, Melo sucks, Chandler sucks....You really need to take a long break from the board. You add nothing....

How many playoffs series does Jordan win before Phil?

Can't believe I'm allowing myself to get sucked into this debate...okay, I'll play along. For three straight years, prior to the Bulls winning the 'ship, they lost to the eventual champion Pistons twice in the conference finals, and once in the semis. The year before Phil, they had the Pistons on the ropes (in the ECF) until Pippen wilted under the pressure with the infamous Migraine....

As much as I despise the Nyets, you have to leave anything but tempored praise for Coach Kidd at the feet of said hate. I can't totally diss a guy who canned Larry Frank.

I would prefer a Cleamons to a Kerr any day, but that's just irrational Knicksdom speaking. MJax was a horrendous analyst, as far as listenability goes. Kerr sounds a bit more erudite, and he's at least not going to hear anything new and unusual from PJax he hasn't heard before. The last thing we want as Knick fans is to have a coach who reacts to PJax the same way our owner does.

So we have the leader board spots filled, how about some dark horses? Anyone up for the possibility of the return of Jeff Van Gundy?

jrodmc wrote:Jackson's EVOLUTION as GOAT is based entirely on the supernatural selection of MJ and Kobe/Shaq. Do we have the greatest coach ever as GM or the greatest assessor of possible winning situations that just happened to pan out?

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - the pacers body language and cohesiveness has been poor for a while now and everyone knows it. It's not just one game.

Last year is last year.

But it didn't seem like "last year was last year" when you supported Woodson this season.,chanting 54 wins at every opportunity, as he was flailing like a fish out of water.So now the past is past? Got it...

Dagger - "Mike Woodson owns the third highest regular-season winning percentage (.580) in franchise history, behind Pat Riley (.680) and Jeff Van Gundy (.590). In the immortal words of the longtime Knicks fan John McEnroe: big deal. At the World’s Most Famous Arena, coaching fame is indisputably fleeting." - Harvey Araton, NYTimes

You two lovebirds got anything else?

misterearl wrote:

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - the pacers body language and cohesiveness has been poor for a while now and everyone knows it. It's not just one game.

Last year is last year.

But it didn't seem like "last year was last year" when you supported Woodson this season.,chanting 54 wins at every opportunity, as he was flailing like a fish out of water.So now the past is past? Got it...

Dagger - "Mike Woodson owns the third highest regular-season winning percentage (.580) in franchise history, behind Pat Riley (.680) and Jeff Van Gundy (.590). In the immortal words of the longtime Knicks fan John McEnroe: big deal. At the World’s Most Famous Arena, coaching fame is indisputably fleeting." - Harvey Araton, NYTimes

You got anything else?

Frank Vogel .625 winning percentage as pacers head coach. Yet the past is irrelevant for him, but the most important factor in defending Woodson. The facts betray you, I find it humorous when people severely change their arguments to match an agenda...

This is about context. For Woodson to have thrived in New York, and delivered playoffs wins, where none existed for a decade, is worth recognition.

If Pacers lose game 2 to the Hawks, Indiana will not be singing Vogel's praises so loudly as you are now.

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - the pacers body language and cohesiveness has been poor for a while now and everyone knows it. It's not just one game.

Last year is last year.

But it didn't seem like "last year was last year" when you supported Woodson this season.,chanting 54 wins at every opportunity, as he was flailing like a fish out of water.So now the past is past? Got it...

Dagger - "Mike Woodson owns the third highest regular-season winning percentage (.580) in franchise history, behind Pat Riley (.680) and Jeff Van Gundy (.590). In the immortal words of the longtime Knicks fan John McEnroe: big deal. At the World’s Most Famous Arena, coaching fame is indisputably fleeting." - Harvey Araton, NYTimes

You got anything else?

Frank Vogel .625 winning percentage as pacers head coach. Yet the past is irrelevant for him, but the most important factor in defending Woodson. The facts betray you, I find it humorous when people severely change their arguments to match an agenda...

.625 and he developed these players. He didn't inherit overpriced FA's

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Jackson's EVOLUTION as GOAT is based entirely on the supernatural selection of MJ and Kobe/Shaq. Do we have the greatest coach ever as GM or the greatest assessor of possible winning situations that just happened to pan out?

Here's one way of looking at this issue.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703506904575592363492225220
Whether being a great coach in any way translates to being a great GM/President is unclear though.

Good article, thanks. Although Jim O'Brien at #4 sort of skews the results a bit.

I just think it would go a long way if PJax had just one non-MJ/Kobe/Shaq chip or even dragged a non-optimal crew to a Finals. His non-MJ/Kobe/Shaq record is not terribly brilliant.

When was that? I don't remember him ever not having one of those three but I haven't looked closely

Ummmm, Jordan retired, remember? Shaq got traded to Miami. I just closed the Basketball Reference pages that had all those seasons up. Second round was about as far as he got. Some first rounds and out, too.

There were seasons where he didn't win it all with MJ or just Kobe.

Q. gunsnewing - Will you finally pay Vogel his dues if Indy wins game 2?

A. With his stacked roster, I'll give Vogel $200 of Monopoly money when he beats Miami.

gunsnewing - the fact is that Indy is expected to challenge for EC crown. Vogel has done an excellent job to get the pacers to the doorstep.

If they struggle with the putrid Atlanta Hawks, the seeds of doubt will be reinforced. If lose this first round series it will not be pretty.