Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He has much more than that. Lots of people jumped to his defense within minutes in the other thread. I'd take not fitting in at realgm as a badge of honor. He's obviously lasted 13 years here.
Sucks to be him? Doesn't suck to be any Knicks fan?!

Here you go again!! Seriously dude, what kind of relationship do you guys have?? You talk about Tkf and DK7 getting picked on but it seems like you three are the bullies around here since you all are so quick to triple team any member that disagree's with whatever you say!

I normally don't care but this is in every gotdamn thread...get off each other nuts already.

why are you so offended?

Because you're ruining this site much like you were ruining RealGM.

(and yes...I was there when all that crap was going on)

Stay Strong

The site is thriving. Lighten up. If it's ruined for you, you're in the minority and there are other options. It's kind of odd that you're here and saying that though. It's like complaining about the food at a restaurant you go to several times a day.

Papabear Says

Cry baby Bon Bon. I love they way you and you boys hate on the same thing every day. If the Knicks and management are this bad why do you stay? You are nothing but a cry babies and you can't change a damn thing. Talk is cheap. Fill out a resume and apply for a Knicks coaching job or you and the hate team can buy the Knicks. Otherwise all you have is words that Dolan, Melo the Knicks staff don;t even know you exist. You're just small time poster cry baby boys.

1- Spell Check please and talk like a grown man

2- this is a message board, if you cannot hold a conversation/debate with another, do yourself a favor and learn how to read and write

3- The reason why I complain is because there are ways that the Knick's can improve, if I wasn't a Die Hard Knick's fan I would have just jumped off the BandWagon

4- Just because you are a Knick's fan, doesn't mean you have the agree with the decisions the Knicks make or made

5- The Knick's are sinking, a disaster is coming our way, it doesn't make you the "DIE HARD KNICKS FAN" that you think you are by saying you will stick to them and accept whatever decisions they make, it makes you an idiot

6- I am not on a team with anyone, I am on TEAM KNICK's (I want to see them succeed)

7- I can hold a conversation with posters like Playa/Crush, even though we many have different opinions at times

8- Take your meds, your are truly bipolar, ONE DAY you say "IF MELO DOESN'T WANT TO WIN and TAKE LESS, LET HIM LEAVE", the next day you would say "MELO IS WORTH EVERY PENNY and WHOEVER DOESN'T LIKE HIM SHOULD JUST LEAVE"

9- This is not your site, please stop telling others to leave, they have the right to voice their opinion

10- You are in time out in the corner

"Talk like a grown man" LOL. That's good advice.
Papa, you seem to be crying more than anyone.

Papabear Says

Are you one of his protectors ??? RON is not man enough to deal with me? Or do we have to get into it also? Just stay out of it unless you belong to the haters club. I'm more man than you'll ever be.

Wait, aren't YOU the one who jumped into a conversation between me and Swish?!

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He has much more than that. Lots of people jumped to his defense within minutes in the other thread. I'd take not fitting in at realgm as a badge of honor. He's obviously lasted 13 years here.
Sucks to be him? Doesn't suck to be any Knicks fan?!

Here you go again!! Seriously dude, what kind of relationship do you guys have?? You talk about Tkf and DK7 getting picked on but it seems like you three are the bullies around here since you all are so quick to triple team any member that disagree's with whatever you say!

I normally don't care but this is in every gotdamn thread...get off each other nuts already.

why are you so offended?

Because you're ruining this site much like you were ruining RealGM.

(and yes...I was there when all that crap was going on)

Stay Strong

The site is thriving. Lighten up. If it's ruined for you, you're in the minority and there are other options. It's kind of odd that you're here and saying that though. It's like complaining about the food at a restaurant you go to several times a day.

Papabear Says

Cry baby Bon Bon. I love they way you and you boys hate on the same thing every day. If the Knicks and management are this bad why do you stay? You are nothing but a cry babies and you can't change a damn thing. Talk is cheap. Fill out a resume and apply for a Knicks coaching job or you and the hate team can buy the Knicks. Otherwise all you have is words that Dolan, Melo the Knicks staff don;t even know you exist. You're just small time poster cry baby boys.

1- Spell Check please and talk like a grown man

2- this is a message board, if you cannot hold a conversation/debate with another, do yourself a favor and learn how to read and write

3- The reason why I complain is because there are ways that the Knick's can improve, if I wasn't a Die Hard Knick's fan I would have just jumped off the BandWagon

4- Just because you are a Knick's fan, doesn't mean you have the agree with the decisions the Knicks make or made

5- The Knick's are sinking, a disaster is coming our way, it doesn't make you the "DIE HARD KNICKS FAN" that you think you are by saying you will stick to them and accept whatever decisions they make, it makes you an idiot

6- I am not on a team with anyone, I am on TEAM KNICK's (I want to see them succeed)

7- I can hold a conversation with posters like Playa/Crush, even though we many have different opinions at times

8- Take your meds, your are truly bipolar, ONE DAY you say "IF MELO DOESN'T WANT TO WIN and TAKE LESS, LET HIM LEAVE", the next day you would say "MELO IS WORTH EVERY PENNY and WHOEVER DOESN'T LIKE HIM SHOULD JUST LEAVE"

9- This is not your site, please stop telling others to leave, they have the right to voice their opinion

10- You are in time out in the corner

"Talk like a grown man" LOL. That's good advice.
Papa, you seem to be crying more than anyone.

Papabear Says

Are you one of his protectors ??? RON is not man enough to deal with me? Or do we have to get into it also? Just stay out of it unless you belong to the haters club. I'm more man than you'll ever be.

Wait, aren't YOU the one who jumped into a conversation between me and Swish?!

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He has much more than that. Lots of people jumped to his defense within minutes in the other thread. I'd take not fitting in at realgm as a badge of honor. He's obviously lasted 13 years here.
Sucks to be him? Doesn't suck to be any Knicks fan?!

Here you go again!! Seriously dude, what kind of relationship do you guys have?? You talk about Tkf and DK7 getting picked on but it seems like you three are the bullies around here since you all are so quick to triple team any member that disagree's with whatever you say!

I normally don't care but this is in every gotdamn thread...get off each other nuts already.

A more reasonable question might be why do Fish and a few others post several dozen messages a day hating them? I'm starting to find it odd that you care so much about my posting too though.

I care because I am forced to read the same non-sense in every thread and the majority of the argument is being initiated by you and DK7.

Eventually, Fish, Jrod and TKF will tire themselves out but you two always seem to jump in keep the fire burning. I honestly can't believe you guys haven't been banned yet.

Anyway, I'm going back in lurk mode. good luck

Sounds like you just don't want a discussion. DK and I keep it to basketball. The others have been doing name-calling. I wouldn't say they deserve a ban - maybe a warning but that's not my call. You must be upset and not serious about that. A ban without even a warning? I think that only goes to people who make terrible racist or other terrible comments and don't apologize.

Perhaps you didn't read DK's racist rant about Melo's Puerto Rican genetics. Or maybe you just agree with him. I dont know how you consider that just keeping it to basketball. Or his psychological fangs about Melo's narcisism, basketball talk?

I don't know the post. Yellowboy mentioned something about that but I couldn't find it.
I'd have to see what you're talking about.

The DK Quote was as follows.....

i think i know the one but looks can be deceiving. he is not genetically gifted the way that jordan, garnett, payton, miner etc. were but all that means is that he should be working much harder to achieve that level. if he did he would have the quickness necessary to play on both sides of the ball at the small forward position. people like to tout that he is a matchup nightmare on offense but he remains a liability on defense and this will dog him. people like to say that he needs to conserve energy but i call bull**** on that. he's part puerto rican, right? i played football, baseball, and basketball with plenty of borinquenos in my day in new york. most of them had conditioning issues in spite of their athletic skills. native new yorkers know exactly what i am talking about. in baseball you can get away with it but not basketball.

maybe if i say "zebras have stripes" or "birds have beaks" that is not offensive

but if i say "eskimos are of asian origin" and "aborigines are from africa" i am treading on thin ice?

and if i then say "africans have a lower percentage of body fat as a group than non-africans" is that crossing some sort of line?

or "white men can't jump"? is that racist?

and how about "hispanics with native american/carribean origin tend to have higher bodyfat percentages"? is that racist?

Dagger wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He has much more than that. Lots of people jumped to his defense within minutes in the other thread. I'd take not fitting in at realgm as a badge of honor. He's obviously lasted 13 years here.
Sucks to be him? Doesn't suck to be any Knicks fan?!

Here you go again!! Seriously dude, what kind of relationship do you guys have?? You talk about Tkf and DK7 getting picked on but it seems like you three are the bullies around here since you all are so quick to triple team any member that disagree's with whatever you say!

I normally don't care but this is in every gotdamn thread...get off each other nuts already.

A more reasonable question might be why do Fish and a few others post several dozen messages a day hating them? I'm starting to find it odd that you care so much about my posting too though.

I care because I am forced to read the same non-sense in every thread and the majority of the argument is being initiated by you and DK7.

Eventually, Fish, Jrod and TKF will tire themselves out but you two always seem to jump in keep the fire burning. I honestly can't believe you guys haven't been banned yet.

Anyway, I'm going back in lurk mode. good luck

Sounds like you just don't want a discussion. DK and I keep it to basketball. The others have been doing name-calling. I wouldn't say they deserve a ban - maybe a warning but that's not my call. You must be upset and not serious about that. A ban without even a warning? I think that only goes to people who make terrible racist or other terrible comments and don't apologize.

Perhaps you didn't read DK's racist rant about Melo's Puerto Rican genetics. Or maybe you just agree with him. I dont know how you consider that just keeping it to basketball. Or his psychological fangs about Melo's narcisism, basketball talk?

I don't know the post. Yellowboy mentioned something about that but I couldn't find it.
I'd have to see what you're talking about.

The DK Quote was as follows.....

i think i know the one but looks can be deceiving. he is not genetically gifted the way that jordan, garnett, payton, miner etc. were but all that means is that he should be working much harder to achieve that level. if he did he would have the quickness necessary to play on both sides of the ball at the small forward position. people like to tout that he is a matchup nightmare on offense but he remains a liability on defense and this will dog him. people like to say that he needs to conserve energy but i call bull**** on that. he's part puerto rican, right? i played football, baseball, and basketball with plenty of borinquenos in my day in new york. most of them had conditioning issues in spite of their athletic skills. native new yorkers know exactly what i am talking about. in baseball you can get away with it but not basketball.

so lets be clear you are posting this because by posting this you assert that this is a racist statement?

if yes, tell me something: are you a native new yorker born and raised or are you an outsider like crushalot?

if you are new york born and raised have you played all the major sports on some level in new york city? grade school, high school, college, playgrounds, ymca, etc etc

just curious, because my statement is based on my personal experience and backed up by epidemiological studies related to obesity rates and diabetes rates in the city.

looking forward to a fruitful chat now that melo has catalyzed the downfall of his own era.

Yup, this is definitely keeping the discussion to basketball, 100%. I suggest you stop before you expose yourself further. I can tolerate your dislike for melo, not a big fan either, but when you start bringing the discussion to a racial level it's time to stop and consider what you're writing. Crushalot is an outsider, okay what are you suggesting? And why can't someone of puerto rican descent be a native new yorker, surely many puerto ricans have been "born and raised" in the city, the same as any other "native new yorkers". The sad thing is you are using this ridiculous racially-charged argument to suggest that melo is out of shape, which is utterly ridiculous. As I've said before I'm sure he's in better shape than 99% of the people posting here. Who are you to call a professional athlete that plays 40+ minutes a night fat?

i wasn't talking to you. i am comfortable having this discussion, because racism is one of my favorite subjects. if you want to know why then please feel free to ask and we can then have a potentially fruitful dialogue, on this thread or in an off-topic thread.

as i said, if foosballknicks or any other poster wants to accuse me of being a racist then i think you should be prepared to back up your claim instead of merely repeating the accusation-- repeating it a billion times won't make it any more true.

the rest of your post is nonsensical, as though you didn't bother to even read mine.

Dagger wrote:Oh I read your post and it's clear that you are have certain racial bias when you suggest that a person's race makes them lazy or unhealthy when they are clearly in prime physical condition. I know plenty of sociology majors and your language is not that of a tolerant person, but more of someone that harbors considerable prejudice. I have no desire to discuss much of anything with you on the topic, so no, I will not be continuing this "discussion" in another topic. How nice of you to say my post is nonsense when you write the same crap every single damn post like a goddamn broken record. Talk about how poisonous it was for melo to say he wants to test free agency again, we've all forgotten the other 1000 times you've said it. Go on, Mr. Robot, keep posting your automated responses.

cool. you're certainly entitled to have and express your opinions.

Are Mexicans hard working?
Are Asians good in math?
Are African American's athletic?

ONE STEP FURTHER

DO ASIANS HAVE SMALLER BODY PARTS, male or/and female
WHITE MEN CAN'T JUMP
ASIAN's SHORT
MEXICANS SHORT/STUMPY
JEWISH/MIDDLE EAST SMELLY
PUERTO RICAN's/African American's LAZY

Are all of these above correct? NO, not all are, anyone colored or non colored person can have any of these attributes/characteristics
I have heard of the term as Puerto Rican's are lazy/dumb btw, and I am from NYC
I don't think it is a right thing to say, google it

Do I think it was a right to say?
In my opinion, NO, but I see it as a stereotyping more than being racist
We all stereotyping....

It is offensive, however,
I don't think he was being racist but words were added in there after his "____" to add on to it to make sound much more offensive

Can we talk back basketball....

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He has much more than that. Lots of people jumped to his defense within minutes in the other thread. I'd take not fitting in at realgm as a badge of honor. He's obviously lasted 13 years here.
Sucks to be him? Doesn't suck to be any Knicks fan?!

Here you go again!! Seriously dude, what kind of relationship do you guys have?? You talk about Tkf and DK7 getting picked on but it seems like you three are the bullies around here since you all are so quick to triple team any member that disagree's with whatever you say!

I normally don't care but this is in every gotdamn thread...get off each other nuts already.

A more reasonable question might be why do Fish and a few others post several dozen messages a day hating them? I'm starting to find it odd that you care so much about my posting too though.

I care because I am forced to read the same non-sense in every thread and the majority of the argument is being initiated by you and DK7.

Eventually, Fish, Jrod and TKF will tire themselves out but you two always seem to jump in keep the fire burning. I honestly can't believe you guys haven't been banned yet.

Anyway, I'm going back in lurk mode. good luck

Sounds like you just don't want a discussion. DK and I keep it to basketball. The others have been doing name-calling. I wouldn't say they deserve a ban - maybe a warning but that's not my call. You must be upset and not serious about that. A ban without even a warning? I think that only goes to people who make terrible racist or other terrible comments and don't apologize.

Perhaps you didn't read DK's racist rant about Melo's Puerto Rican genetics. Or maybe you just agree with him. I dont know how you consider that just keeping it to basketball. Or his psychological fangs about Melo's narcisism, basketball talk?

I don't know the post. Yellowboy mentioned something about that but I couldn't find it.
I'd have to see what you're talking about.

The DK Quote was as follows.....

i think i know the one but looks can be deceiving. he is not genetically gifted the way that jordan, garnett, payton, miner etc. were but all that means is that he should be working much harder to achieve that level. if he did he would have the quickness necessary to play on both sides of the ball at the small forward position. people like to tout that he is a matchup nightmare on offense but he remains a liability on defense and this will dog him. people like to say that he needs to conserve energy but i call bull**** on that. he's part puerto rican, right? i played football, baseball, and basketball with plenty of borinquenos in my day in new york. most of them had conditioning issues in spite of their athletic skills. native new yorkers know exactly what i am talking about. in baseball you can get away with it but not basketball.

so lets be clear you are posting this because by posting this you assert that this is a racist statement?

if yes, tell me something: are you a native new yorker born and raised or are you an outsider like crushalot?

if you are new york born and raised have you played all the major sports on some level in new york city? grade school, high school, college, playgrounds, ymca, etc etc

just curious, because my statement is based on my personal experience and backed up by epidemiological studies related to obesity rates and diabetes rates in the city.

looking forward to a fruitful chat now that melo has catalyzed the downfall of his own era.

You are indicating that Melo and those of Puerto Rican dissent have conditioning issues based on their genetics. You base this assessment on your anecdotal experience of growing up and playing sports in NYC. Please produce the genetic study that indicates that Hispanic people have a gene proclivity which governs or limits physical conditioning when compared to other races of human beings. Without producing the epidemiological studies you are referring to, your point is invalid. Further, your comments about obesity and diabetes are also likey invalid given that there are various factors which contribute to these conditions such as age and diet. Otherwise your comments are blatently racist based upon your personal and limited study and experiences. In your defense, you may not even realize you are being racist. You likely grew up in an environment and were conditioned to think of people of Puerto Rican dissent a certain negative way. If this is true, it is very sad. Whether someone grew up in NYC or otherwise, does not make a difference unless you can produce a scientific study to that effect.

funny how when i ask questions they are not answered. it is "descent" by the way. puerto ricans are an ethnic group not a race so i don't see how an accusation of racism really holds any weight. there have been studies that demonstrate that certain groups of africans have a lower bodyfat percentage as a rule. surely you have heard of these studies and do not find them racist.

so when i cite these comparisons-- like comparing carmelo to black players as i did in the original post-- i guess in your mind that's being a racist.

wow

RonRon wrote:

jaydh wrote:stereotypes are a form of racism.

I personally define racism as hating or race/ethnic background
Or when one thinks one color or ethnic background is better than another

Stereotype: Fat people are lazy. Priests are child molesters.
Racism: Refusing to sit next to a black person. Calling Asians "CHINK."

I would say it is borderline, again, I am saying DK is wrong for saying it
However, I have heard people use that phrase as calling them dumb/lazy

We live in a world full of racism, it doesn't make him right, but to think it doesn't exist is ignorant

Again, google it, I have never used that term to describe Puerto Rican's, I don't know many that I am actually close with, only acquaintances
I have worked with some in my life before, some were lazy, and some were hard working

We live in a world that stereotypes and we all do it, you are lying to yourself if you don't, "he/she is one of those ppl"

lets be crystal clear since this is a very serious accusation:

i have always said melo is lazy, having nothing to do with his being a puerto rican, genetically, racially, or ethnically. he just is. you wanna know who is lazy? DOMINICANS

i also said melo has a higher bodyfat percentage than michael jordan, kevin garnett, harold miner, etc. etc. others call this racist-- yet i am referencing black men here (WTF). conditioning has always been an issue which is why he is always out of gas, or one of the main reasons.

not one of these accusers has bothered to answer my questions about their own personal experience.

dk7th wrote:

RonRon wrote:

jaydh wrote:stereotypes are a form of racism.

I personally define racism as hating or race/ethnic background
Or when one thinks one color or ethnic background is better than another

Stereotype: Fat people are lazy. Priests are child molesters.
Racism: Refusing to sit next to a black person. Calling Asians "CHINK."

I would say it is borderline, again, I am saying DK is wrong for saying it
However, I have heard people use that phrase as calling them dumb/lazy

We live in a world full of racism, it doesn't make him right, but to think it doesn't exist is ignorant

Again, google it, I have never used that term to describe Puerto Rican's, I don't know many that I am actually close with, only acquaintances
I have worked with some in my life before, some were lazy, and some were hard working

We live in a world that stereotypes and we all do it, you are lying to yourself if you don't, "he/she is one of those ppl"

lets be crystal clear since this is a very serious accusation:

i have always said melo is lazy, having nothing to do with his being a puerto rican, genetically, racially, or ethnically. he just is. you wanna know who is lazy? DOMINICANS

i also said melo has a higher bodyfat percentage than michael jordan, kevin garnett, harold miner, etc. etc. others call this racist-- yet i am referencing black men here (WTF). conditioning has always been an issue which is why he is always out of gas, or one of the main reasons.

not one of these accusers has bothered to answer my questions about their own personal experience.

It comes down to certain things shouldn't be said.....
I agree with you that Melo is lazy, selfish, but it should not have been linked to anything about being PR

In fact, he has been in much better shape these past 2 years, can it be better?
Probably, his worth ethic isn't as nearly as high as Lebron/Durant/Paul George, then again what about Allen Iverson and practice?