yellowboy90 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks

We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.

Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts

and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

You can't give 40% of the cap to a guy who's just a high volume scorer - not with this CBA since we can't even spend $5 mil per on an MLE any more. And especially not for a guy who will be in his 12th to 16th seasons during that contract. Ask yourself is a smart organization like the Spurs would do that. It's gotta be something like 4 yrs, $55 mil. Since he'd never do that, we should have traded him.

lol... just a high volume scorer. Yea... thats all he is. top 20 rebounder. One of the best 3 point shooters in the game right now. 2nd leading scorer. Yea bonnie... he's just a volume shooter. Kinda like just a volume poster. 10 time all star? Boy they must really value volume. Go watch a game

he is just a high volume shooter... a top 20 rebounder? really, I mean come on man... that is just reaching..and no he isn't.. a top 20 rebounder, he is around 24, tied with like 6 other guys.... second leading scorer and he is taking more shots than anyone in the NBA.. by far... he lack efficiency and shoots a ton which is why he is considered a high volume scorer..

no one is saying he is a scrub.. but very far from being this elite player you are trying to portray...

That's wrong but you keep saying it. You can say he is not a high efficient high volume scorer like others but he is efficient at an extremely high volume. Efficient in TS, ppp, and pps.

I will let dk handle the TS, he has been over this numerous times...

DK handled it earlier in the season when he was well below. As you see now, maybe you don't, but those TS reports for Melo rarely gets reported now. He has had one below avg TS season with the KNicks on an Extremely high usg. That's just TS% but any way.

Why do you, not DK, would say he is not efficient.

his TS is still not great....but I rarely use TS, so why should I defend it... I look at his shooting % and how many shots he takes.. he takes close to 23SPG and if you are no where near 50% you shouldn't be.. and honestly no one should be.. regardless..

His TS is still efficient but its okay because Melo takes close to 17 shots per game so shooting 45% is okay.

he takes 22 shots per.. 24 for the month of feb..

all I can say is, that NY fans who want this guy here, are getting and will continue to get what they deserve....

You were closer earlier about the spg, I was looking at his per 36 and its at 20 which is between 17 and 23. Yes, he is taking 22 shots this year, 20 in his NYK career.

Since you want to cherry pick in February, yes he is shooting 24 shots with a 58 TS.

yes and he is doing it on a team that is 21-36. TS% so far as i can tell does not necessarily have a positive impact on ones team until you get to around 58+%, perhaps even 59%.

the equivalent of 56% of TS in fg% is 46%. these are the averages that melo has accumulated over his storied career and his heroic work here in new york.

really borderline numbers for an also-ran player

fishmike wrote:Bonn...I dont throw stones (for examples mentioning that TFK got kicked off realgM for being the same dweeb he is here that he was there is a fact. Even I cant make something like that up). I Just point out things a couple people dont like. Like how you comment on all the games but dont watch any basketball.

But Bonn thats a good find. Really good work. Yes.. I was wrong, and you know what? Im totally comfortable with that. I did not realize in Oct when I posted that that JR would start the season suspended then shoot 35% for the first two months. I didnt realize that Felton would go from being a servicable PG last year to the worst starting PG in the NBA. I did not predict that even in some backup role (that was my wish) that Bargs would be as totally useless as his.

So you Bonn are the man. You may not watch any hoops, but damn... your good at storing up threads in case you might need to call someone wrong on the internet. Excellent work.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks

We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.

Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts

and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.

LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?

are you talking about you?

Are you adding anything here... sorry, I was talking to guns

So you refer to Guns as "Bonn" now?
And, no, I'm referring to the Fishy guy who got the whole conference wrong. Have you learned anything from being so wrong?

Im sorry.. what did I get wrong Bonn? Why dont you post the thread... I probably thought the Knicks would play better. Is that you are clinging to? Why dont you just say something

I already did post it. You got the Knicks and the entire conference completely wrong (thinking there would be 5 50 win teams). Again, here's your win prediction

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50 wins. Artest and Melo at the forwards is the way. Bargs is backup 5. I think we are the 5th best team but one thing with Melo's Knicks is they dont lose to inferior teams. We do a good job padding the wins against weaker or young teams.

If you weren't throwing stones at everyone you disagree with, I'd just let it go.

Am I missing something. He is wrong in his 50 win prediction or that he predicted the knicks would win 50 if Metta started and Bargs came of the bench?

I guess its like people who said we would win 50+ because Camby and Brewer would play but the knicks win 50 without any real contribution from the two for the majority of the year.

What? Who said Camby and Brewer would lead us to 50 wins? You're right that person was wrong but he seems to be imaginal.

Just people, I didn't say this board, but people because of their high WP/WS I believe.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks

We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.

Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts

and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.

LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?

are you talking about you?

Are you adding anything here... sorry, I was talking to guns

So you refer to Guns as "Bonn" now?
And, no, I'm referring to the Fishy guy who got the whole conference wrong. Have you learned anything from being so wrong?

Im sorry.. what did I get wrong Bonn? Why dont you post the thread... I probably thought the Knicks would play better. Is that you are clinging to? Why dont you just say something

I already did post it. You got the Knicks and the entire conference completely wrong (thinking there would be 5 50 win teams). Again, here's your win prediction

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50 wins. Artest and Melo at the forwards is the way. Bargs is backup 5. I think we are the 5th best team but one thing with Melo's Knicks is they dont lose to inferior teams. We do a good job padding the wins against weaker or young teams.

If you weren't throwing stones at everyone you disagree with, I'd just let it go.

Am I missing something. He is wrong in his 50 win prediction or that he predicted the knicks would win 50 if Metta started and Bargs came of the bench?

I guess its like people who said we would win 50+ because Camby and Brewer would play but the knicks win 50 without any real contribution from the two for the majority of the year.

What? Who said Camby and Brewer would lead us to 50 wins? You're right that person was wrong but he seems to be imaginal.

Just people, I didn't say this board, but people because of their high WP/WS I believe.

Well then that's a bizarre thing to introduce into the discussion here.

not really just pointing out how people may predict thing and be wrong or right but not because of what they thought was going to happen came true but because of other situations.

In math class you had to show your work and sometimes you got the answer marked incorrect or only given partial credit even though your answer was right because your steps taken to get the answer didn't match your answer.

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks

We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.

Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts

and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.

LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?

are you talking about you?

Are you adding anything here... sorry, I was talking to guns

So you refer to Guns as "Bonn" now?
And, no, I'm referring to the Fishy guy who got the whole conference wrong. Have you learned anything from being so wrong?

Im sorry.. what did I get wrong Bonn? Why dont you post the thread... I probably thought the Knicks would play better. Is that you are clinging to? Why dont you just say something

I already did post it. You got the Knicks and the entire conference completely wrong (thinking there would be 5 50 win teams). Again, here's your win prediction

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10/30/2013 2:03 PM

50 wins. Artest and Melo at the forwards is the way. Bargs is backup 5. I think we are the 5th best team but one thing with Melo's Knicks is they dont lose to inferior teams. We do a good job padding the wins against weaker or young teams.

If you weren't throwing stones at everyone you disagree with, I'd just let it go.

Am I missing something. He is wrong in his 50 win prediction or that he predicted the knicks would win 50 if Metta started and Bargs came of the bench?

I guess its like people who said we would win 50+ because Camby and Brewer would play but the knicks win 50 without any real contribution from the two for the majority of the year.

What? Who said Camby and Brewer would lead us to 50 wins? You're right that person was wrong but he seems to be imaginal.

Bonn,

You predicted 47 Wins for this season. So I guess that whopping three win differential in season predictions for this year between you and Fish makes you a genius and worthy of being a continuously condescending ***hole on this board. However, I guess when someone ties such significant value in life to meaningless and anonymous internet team record and standings predictions ...being an ***hole is par for the course.

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10/29/2013 10:00 PM

47 wins

This....sick of posters trying to call out other posters for being wrong on predictions, etc as if its an exact science. This board is turning into a 'I'm right and your wrong' forum....Just because a poster may be wrong on a prediction does not mean that all other basketball related arguments that poster tries to make is also wrong.

Uptown wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks

We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.

Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts

and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.

LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?

are you talking about you?

Are you adding anything here... sorry, I was talking to guns

So you refer to Guns as "Bonn" now?
And, no, I'm referring to the Fishy guy who got the whole conference wrong. Have you learned anything from being so wrong?

Im sorry.. what did I get wrong Bonn? Why dont you post the thread... I probably thought the Knicks would play better. Is that you are clinging to? Why dont you just say something

I already did post it. You got the Knicks and the entire conference completely wrong (thinking there would be 5 50 win teams). Again, here's your win prediction

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10/30/2013 2:03 PM

50 wins. Artest and Melo at the forwards is the way. Bargs is backup 5. I think we are the 5th best team but one thing with Melo's Knicks is they dont lose to inferior teams. We do a good job padding the wins against weaker or young teams.

If you weren't throwing stones at everyone you disagree with, I'd just let it go.

Am I missing something. He is wrong in his 50 win prediction or that he predicted the knicks would win 50 if Metta started and Bargs came of the bench?

I guess its like people who said we would win 50+ because Camby and Brewer would play but the knicks win 50 without any real contribution from the two for the majority of the year.

What? Who said Camby and Brewer would lead us to 50 wins? You're right that person was wrong but he seems to be imaginal.

Bonn,

You predicted 47 Wins for this season. So I guess that whopping three win differential in season predictions for this year between you and Fish makes you a genius and worthy of being a continuously condescending ***hole on this board. However, I guess when someone ties such significant value in life to meaningless and anonymous internet team record and standings predictions ...being an ***hole is par for the course.

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10/29/2013 10:00 PM

47 wins

This....sick of posters trying to call out other posters for being wrong on predictions, etc as if its an exact science. This board is turning into a 'I'm right and your wrong' forum....Just because a poster may be wrong on a prediction does not mean that all other basketball related arguments that poster tries to make is also wrong.

I think Bonn identifies and admits he may have been wrong.. but what he isn't doing is trying to defend his prediction with ridiculous arguments...

Big difference..

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks

We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.

Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts

and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.

LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?

are you talking about you?

Are you adding anything here... sorry, I was talking to guns

So you refer to Guns as "Bonn" now?
And, no, I'm referring to the Fishy guy who got the whole conference wrong. Have you learned anything from being so wrong?

Im sorry.. what did I get wrong Bonn? Why dont you post the thread... I probably thought the Knicks would play better. Is that you are clinging to? Why dont you just say something

I already did post it. You got the Knicks and the entire conference completely wrong (thinking there would be 5 50 win teams). Again, here's your win prediction

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50 wins. Artest and Melo at the forwards is the way. Bargs is backup 5. I think we are the 5th best team but one thing with Melo's Knicks is they dont lose to inferior teams. We do a good job padding the wins against weaker or young teams.

If you weren't throwing stones at everyone you disagree with, I'd just let it go.

Am I missing something. He is wrong in his 50 win prediction or that he predicted the knicks would win 50 if Metta started and Bargs came of the bench?

I guess its like people who said we would win 50+ because Camby and Brewer would play but the knicks win 50 without any real contribution from the two for the majority of the year.

What? Who said Camby and Brewer would lead us to 50 wins? You're right that person was wrong but he seems to be imaginal.

Bonn,

You predicted 47 Wins for this season. So I guess that whopping three win differential in season predictions for this year between you and Fish makes you a genius and worthy of being a continuously condescending ***hole on this board. However, I guess when someone ties such significant value in life to meaningless and anonymous internet team record and standings predictions ...being an ***hole is par for the course.

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47 wins

Classic... thats highlarious. 47 wins... good to know. 3 wins less then my call, but the dude has a thread bookmarked to call out people 4 months later just in case. Funny stuff.

Oh Bonnie..

TS%... Melo's is better than Tim Duncan, Lamarcus Aldridge, Pau Gasol, Kyrie Irving... Im done looking. Melo's PER is good for 7th in the NBA.. but we all know he sucks and only scores because he jacks tons of shots. *ANYONE* can do that zzzzzzzzz

fishmike wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks

We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.

Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts

and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.

LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?

are you talking about you?

Are you adding anything here... sorry, I was talking to guns

So you refer to Guns as "Bonn" now?
And, no, I'm referring to the Fishy guy who got the whole conference wrong. Have you learned anything from being so wrong?

Im sorry.. what did I get wrong Bonn? Why dont you post the thread... I probably thought the Knicks would play better. Is that you are clinging to? Why dont you just say something

I already did post it. You got the Knicks and the entire conference completely wrong (thinking there would be 5 50 win teams). Again, here's your win prediction

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50 wins. Artest and Melo at the forwards is the way. Bargs is backup 5. I think we are the 5th best team but one thing with Melo's Knicks is they dont lose to inferior teams. We do a good job padding the wins against weaker or young teams.

If you weren't throwing stones at everyone you disagree with, I'd just let it go.

Am I missing something. He is wrong in his 50 win prediction or that he predicted the knicks would win 50 if Metta started and Bargs came of the bench?

I guess its like people who said we would win 50+ because Camby and Brewer would play but the knicks win 50 without any real contribution from the two for the majority of the year.

What? Who said Camby and Brewer would lead us to 50 wins? You're right that person was wrong but he seems to be imaginal.

Bonn,

You predicted 47 Wins for this season. So I guess that whopping three win differential in season predictions for this year between you and Fish makes you a genius and worthy of being a continuously condescending ***hole on this board. However, I guess when someone ties such significant value in life to meaningless and anonymous internet team record and standings predictions ...being an ***hole is par for the course.

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10/29/2013 10:00 PM

47 wins

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Classic... thats highlarious. 47 wins... good to know. 3 wins less then my call, but the dude has a thread bookmarked to call out people 4 months later just in case. Funny stuff.

Oh Bonnie..

TS%... Melo's is better than Tim Duncan, Lamarcus Aldridge, Pau Gasol, Kyrie Irving... Im done looking. Melo's PER is good for 7th in the NBA.. but we all know he sucks and only scores because he jacks tons of shots. *ANYONE* can do that zzzzzzzzz

The failed eyeball test is what said adding Bargnani would help a lot, losing Kidd and other key "role players" wouldn't matter much, and this would be a 50 win team. The computers that don't watch the game did better than every single fan here. You said 53 wins (http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=45774). Maybe it's time to stop trusting your eyes so much. I was way off at 47 and I've realized that I was trusting my eyes too much.

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gunsnewing wrote:For what it's worth TKF is running away with gamepicker. Heck he might have a better grip on this team than any of us

well he's leading, but his true picking % is crap, so the stat doesnt mean anything.

Yea I'm only kidding. I'm great at picking wins/loses. Just do loss every game lol but I suck at picking the spread