BRIGGS wrote:

playa2 wrote:This is how James chummy Dolan is known around the association when it comes to making deals that has Isiah written all over them.

plays thats F gross--think about kids using this forum man.

Chances are that they are looking at worse. It's a brave new world with the internet being what it is.

A deal moving Felton, Shump and a future pick is probably what is gonna happen. It may end up being a future 2nd rd pick tho. IMO that would be worth the move. They have to salvage this season and getting rid of Felton would be a good thing, even if Lowry is kind of the same guy just not "broke leg".

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:In the end Knick fans need to come to the realization that this franchise won't be drafting another Patrick Ewing anytime soon. This franchise doesn't believe in the draft as a means to build a team. It's why I really don't get attached to draft picks anymore. How many picks will it take for Knicks fans to accept this truth. This team doesn't value draft picks. That said they will look to make deals and sign FA's in order to build with so we need to get over it.

A deal moving Felton, Shump and a future pick is probably what is gonna happen. It may end up being a future 2nd rd pick tho. IMO that would be worth the move. They have to salvage this season and getting rid of Felton would be a good thing, even if Lowry is kind of the same guy just not "broke leg".

nixluva--when we start giving out multiple picks for the likes of Andrea Bargnani and Kyle Lowry(lOwry might cost Shumpert a first round pick and an additional 1st rounder down the road) how do you expect the franchise to sustain?

Does it make any sense at all that if we give up a 1 and Shumpert for Lowry--that we will RESIGN lowry and the cost will effect a possible free agency in 2015 and 2016? When you start reducing cap space and draft picks--exactly what do you have to sustain the franchise?

The ONLY way I would do this deal is IF they sent back Ross--a first round young talent. Also what stops Lowry from up and leaving--his agent is going to really stick it to the Knicks. Lowry is a guy who gets injured a lot--we have to factor in everything here.

Would you trade essentially 2 # 1 2 #2 and SAhumpert pick #17 three years ago for Bargs and Lowry? I think what we are accomplishing is helping Denver Houston and Toronto rebuild. I mean we could be setting ourselves up to be bad for another decade where we cant get out of it. Once we wign Melo to 130mm FA for 5 years becomes difficult and then we have little recourse in the draft?

Nixluva do you know that OKC has two number 1 pick in the draft this year? They might have a better team of reserves than we do starters. They are able to maintain their talent and budget by aggressively using the draft--there is NO lebron James free agency on the horizon the players we get hereBargs maybe Lowry we will likely have to keep and go with because the acquisition costs are so high.

I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying this is how I would like the franchise to handle things, but i'm coming to the realization that this is how they WILL do things because that's how the HAVE been doing things for years. When they 1st started making moves to get Melo I wasn't in favor of giving up the house, but I eventually accepted that with Dolan involved that would be the reality and I grew to accept that reality and to look at what they needed to do to make the team work with Melo here and many assets spent to get him. This team has been functioning like this since Dolan has been running it, so I see no sense in trying to think along lines where we don't make deals like this and Bargs and you name the deal over the last decade. They all end up the same way so why should we think this deal will be any different? THIS IS OUR REALITY.

Knixkik wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Apparently Masai wants 2 out of 3 of Shumpert, Hardaway, or 2018 1st rounder.

Someone please tell Masai Lowry is not Carmelo.

Lowry is a free agent this summer. No way I trade a 2018 pick or Hardaway unless we getting someone really good back.

I'd do Felton, Shumpert, and a 2nd rounder. That is about it. I doubt any other team will beat that offer.

Apparently BK is offering plumlee, a stashed euro, and a 2020 1st rounder. If that's true that's a much better offer. That's 3 assets. Even if we give THjr or shumpert with a pick that's only 2 assets. Plus we are giving Felton which is a negative. Hoping they aren't actually offering that because I'm not sure we could ever compete with that offer.

Good- let them do it, they lose the last of their future picks and teh remainder of their meagre young talent, all for a 4 month back up PG who will leave in the offseason because he wants to be a starter. That would benefit us as we wouldn't have to worry about the nets for a long, long time.

Don't believe it for one second! Toronto are clearly planting this because the tactic worked so well in Denver.

Dagger wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:
plays thats F gross--think about kids using this forum man.

For real, why does playa even have that on his computer?

Sorry briggs , i'll send them to the famous Alba thread or the " Rack of the Day thread", that will keep them innocent aye ?