Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Melo plays better with a PG. Knicks with Griffin and Jordan might not even make the playoffs.

There is a reason the Clips went after Paul. Griffin still can't shoot and he has potential injury concerns.

tkf wrote:

helloharv wrote:I can't believe what I am reading ------ most people actually WANT to trade Melo for Blake F-ing Griffin ?

INSANE

Blake is better.. I would do it, but the clippers wont..

If Paul wants to do it , they will.

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

Griffin is flawed? lets see, he is a PF who actually plays like one. He patrols the paint, rebounds very, very well, can defend his position, passes pretty darn well, can score and do so efficiently...

And people, including his team mates.. Like him..

It would be a horrible trade for the clippers..

Jordan doesn't suck, again he does what the clippers need him to do.. dunk hard, block shots, rebound and intimidate...

sorry, those guys would instantly make the knicks better. while I can't say the same thing about carmelo or chandler in LA..

Problem is that they are both 50% FT shooters, so in a tight game/play match, they become liabilities especially together
And we have no PnR PG, not even one like Sessions

Actually, there's been research on this. You break even if you're at 47%. So it's not a real concern.

I think we needed Bledsoe for this deal to entice us but there could be takers for Melo
I just don't think it would amount to anything close to half of what we payed to get him under our circumstances and Melo's player option

In the end I get it, Melo should see that he cannot win with this team in NYK and our lack of assets to improve, while he can likely walk and we get NOTHING

I don't care what Melo sees. I want Dolan and Mills to see that he's overrated and we're better off trading him.

Papabear Says

Yes Bonn Bonn people like you don't think with your brains you think with your bottom part. Do you remember the Ewing deal?? Just because you don't like someone you want them gone. But this is a bad team and the best player is Melo. Now just think about it Top of the line coaches ain't coming to New York and great player are not coming to New York. I believe top players will take less money to go some place else than come to New York. Right now we are toxic. The best thing we can do now is start winning games and get this thing under control. We are toxic right now so don't think players are coming here. We are toxic. Dolan and Woody messed up. From Chriss Smith to firing our GM and Woody not knowing a damn thing about playing offense or defense. Getting rid of the MSG dancers now how sick can that be. Yes we are the laughing stock of the NBA and the only hope is Phil Jackson and giving him full power.

the only thing Melo and Ewing have in common is high PPG totals. Melo is much closer to Marbury than to Ewing.

MSG3 wrote:When was the last time Stephen A. got something like this right?

When he was the first to say LBJ and Bosh were joining Wade.... Before Miami cleared all of that capspace. People rag on SAS bc he is loud and outspoken and he doesn't always have a popular opinion... But he's a very good journalist and very intelligent. He gets a lot of his sheot right.

Allanfan20 wrote:If you can trade him for as many young assets and picks as you can, do it. Otherwise, we are screwed. If he just walks and Chandler and Amar'e walk the next year, all because we are a laughing stock, what free agents are going to want to come here? None. This is all because Dolan wouldn't let his GMs build an actual team. We had every opportunity to do so.

Lets be real now. With Melo here, we can't build a team. Without him we can't build a team bc we won't have crap. WTF?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If you can trade him for as many young assets and picks as you can, do it. Otherwise, we are screwed. If he just walks and Chandler and Amar'e walk the next year, all because we are a laughing stock, what free agents are going to want to come here? None. This is all because Dolan wouldn't let his GMs build an actual team. We had every opportunity to do so.

Lets be real now. With Melo here, we can't build a team. Without him we can't build a team bc we won't have crap. WTF?

I don't really mind if he walks. We're 1 1/2 years away from full cap space and 2 1/2 years away from having all our draft picks. We're probably not going to be good before then anyway. I'd take back what I said yesterday. I think Blake is too overpaid and wouldn't want to swap him for Melo. I really don't think we're gonna win a championship with him as our #2 player - too many other teams have better #2s. I'd rather just be able to completely re-start in 2 1/2 years.

Thank you for admitting Griffin is not worth it! I would hate to be stuck with this guy, he's a typical flash over substance player built up by the media. He's good but I don't even know if he has the ability to be a #2 on a team, as you said. Clippers haven't come very close to winning anything with him and CP3. I know you guys aren't big admirers of melo, but Blake Griffin would weigh us down even more, he cannot be your best player at all. Much rather take back youth and picks in a trade than big contracts at this point.

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If you can trade him for as many young assets and picks as you can, do it. Otherwise, we are screwed. If he just walks and Chandler and Amar'e walk the next year, all because we are a laughing stock, what free agents are going to want to come here? None. This is all because Dolan wouldn't let his GMs build an actual team. We had every opportunity to do so.

Lets be real now. With Melo here, we can't build a team. Without him we can't build a team bc we won't have crap. WTF?

I don't really mind if he walks. We're 1 1/2 years away from full cap space and 2 1/2 years away from having all our draft picks. We're probably not going to be good before then anyway. I'd take back what I said yesterday. I think Blake is too overpaid and wouldn't want to swap him for Melo. I really don't think we're gonna win a championship with him as our #2 player - too many other teams have better #2s. I'd rather just be able to completely re-start in 2 1/2 years.

Thank you for admitting Griffin is not worth it! I would hate to be stuck with this guy, he's a typical flash over substance player built up by the media. He's good but I don't even know if he has the ability to be a #2 on a team, as you said. Clippers haven't come very close to winning anything with him and CP3. I know you guys aren't big admirers of melo, but Blake Griffin would weigh us down even more, he cannot be your best player at all. Much rather take back youth and picks in a trade than big contracts at this point.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If you can trade him for as many young assets and picks as you can, do it. Otherwise, we are screwed. If he just walks and Chandler and Amar'e walk the next year, all because we are a laughing stock, what free agents are going to want to come here? None. This is all because Dolan wouldn't let his GMs build an actual team. We had every opportunity to do so.

Lets be real now. With Melo here, we can't build a team. Without him we can't build a team bc we won't have crap. WTF?

I don't really mind if he walks. We're 1 1/2 years away from full cap space and 2 1/2 years away from having all our draft picks. We're probably not going to be good before then anyway. I'd take back what I said yesterday. I think Blake is too overpaid and wouldn't want to swap him for Melo. I really don't think we're gonna win a championship with him as our #2 player - too many other teams have better #2s. I'd rather just be able to completely re-start in 2 1/2 years.

I mind if he walks. We should be trading him before the deadline so we maximize our ability to rebuild. Now, if you're telling me that our only options are to let him walk or resign him to a max deal then sayonara.

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?