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misterearl
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11/30/2013  9:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2013  9:46 AM
One more point on talent...nixluva.

When the Pelicans go to the bench and put Tyreke Evans at point guard, who do you want covering him... Beno or Pablo?

And I love Pablo.

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11/30/2013  11:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2013  11:08 AM
“I thought we were a little better tonight,’’ said Knicks coach Mike Woodson, whose biggest adjustment was going with no tie.
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11/30/2013  11:18 AM
is dolan going to take woodson out of his misery, or is he thinking once tryson comes bc, were winng 10 in a row
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11/30/2013  11:24 AM
I kind of like the way Mike is coaching. I would like to keep him around for next year when the Knicks have a pick.
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11/30/2013  11:59 AM
knicks1248 wrote:is dolan going to take woodson out of his misery, or is he thinking once tryson comes bc, were winng 10 in a row
I think the later. The same thing happened to D'Antoni in his last year. They took away his gm, his point guard and put him in a compromised position with Woodson coming in as an assistant head coach. Woodson lost his gm, lost the anchor to his defense, and has been compromised on how he gives guys minutes, who has roster spots etc. It doesn't work when you do that to guys. Losing Tyson can't be helped but signing a legit back up, even Barron would have helped.
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11/30/2013  12:55 PM
looking at the stat sheet night in and night out, and all i see is melo 23+ attempts 40+ minutes..the next player with the most attempts took 12 less shots..the shot distribution is nothing more then pathetic..

No one other then melo and maybe JR is willing to take a big shot

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11/30/2013  6:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2013  6:10 PM
CrushAlot wrote:The same thing happened to D'Antoni in his last year. They took away his gm, his point guard and put him in a compromised position with Woodson coming in as an assistant head coach. Woodson lost his gm, lost the anchor to his defense, and has been compromised on how he gives guys minutes, who has roster spots etc. It doesn't work when you do that to guys. Losing Tyson can't be helped but signing a legit back up, even Barron would have helped.

crushAlot - your summary illustrates the fundamental flaw in the Knicks bidness model. So long as Dolan impacts roster moves with a clumsy heavy-handedness as in:

1. there is no way in hell Grunwald was down with Chris Smith being given a roster spot and probably stated as much - which led to his dismissal ...

2. ...same with Donnie Walsh being forced to gut the roster for number 7... Walsh had enough, and took his talents back to Indiana...

...we will continue to offend the gods of good hoops.

The Curse of Chris Smith lives.

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11/30/2013  6:10 PM
misterearl wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The same thing happened to D'Antoni in his last year. They took away his gm, his point guard and put him in a compromised position with Woodson coming in as an assistant head coach. Woodson lost his gm, lost the anchor to his defense, and has been compromised on how he gives guys minutes, who has roster spots etc. It doesn't work when you do that to guys. Losing Tyson can't be helped but signing a legit back up, even Barron would have helped.

crushAlot - your summary illustrates the fundamental flaw in the Knicks bidness model. So long as Dolan impacts roster moves with a clumsy heavy-handedness as in:

1. there is no way in hell Grunwald was down with Chris Smith being given a roster spot and probably stated as much - which led to his dismissal ...

2. ...same with Donnie Walsh being forced to gut the roster for number 7... Walsh had enough, and took his talents back to Indiana...

...we will continue to offend the gods of good hoops.

The Curse of Chris Smith lives.


Would you give Isiah and Layden that same generous interpretation?
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11/30/2013  7:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The same thing happened to D'Antoni in his last year. They took away his gm, his point guard and put him in a compromised position with Woodson coming in as an assistant head coach. Woodson lost his gm, lost the anchor to his defense, and has been compromised on how he gives guys minutes, who has roster spots etc. It doesn't work when you do that to guys. Losing Tyson can't be helped but signing a legit back up, even Barron would have helped.

crushAlot - your summary illustrates the fundamental flaw in the Knicks bidness model. So long as Dolan impacts roster moves with a clumsy heavy-handedness as in:

1. there is no way in hell Grunwald was down with Chris Smith being given a roster spot and probably stated as much - which led to his dismissal ...

2. ...same with Donnie Walsh being forced to gut the roster for number 7... Walsh had enough, and took his talents back to Indiana...

...we will continue to offend the gods of good hoops.

The Curse of Chris Smith lives.


Would you give Isiah and Layden that same generous interpretation?
In regards to my take on D'Antoni, I was glad to see him go and I didn't think a team could win playing the way he wanted the Knicks to play. However, I think if he is your coach you have to recognize what you have and give him a point guard. Once Walsh left and Grunwald amnestied Billups I think Grunwald basically was setting things up to move on. I don't know that Mills has a plan.
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11/30/2013  7:42 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The same thing happened to D'Antoni in his last year. They took away his gm, his point guard and put him in a compromised position with Woodson coming in as an assistant head coach. Woodson lost his gm, lost the anchor to his defense, and has been compromised on how he gives guys minutes, who has roster spots etc. It doesn't work when you do that to guys. Losing Tyson can't be helped but signing a legit back up, even Barron would have helped.

crushAlot - your summary illustrates the fundamental flaw in the Knicks bidness model. So long as Dolan impacts roster moves with a clumsy heavy-handedness as in:

1. there is no way in hell Grunwald was down with Chris Smith being given a roster spot and probably stated as much - which led to his dismissal ...

2. ...same with Donnie Walsh being forced to gut the roster for number 7... Walsh had enough, and took his talents back to Indiana...

...we will continue to offend the gods of good hoops.

The Curse of Chris Smith lives.


Would you give Isiah and Layden that same generous interpretation?
In regards to my take on D'Antoni, I was glad to see him go and I didn't think a team could win playing the way he wanted the Knicks to play. However, I think if he is your coach you have to recognize what you have and give him a point guard. Once Walsh left and Grunwald amnestied Billups I think Grunwald basically was setting things up to move on. I don't know that Mills has a plan.

D'Antoni did need a PG for his scheme to work. It didn't help that Melo was half azzing it.
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11/30/2013  7:49 PM
Plan 9 From Outer Space

I don't know that Mills has a plan

CrushALot - How can Mills have a plan when he was an emergency hire about a month ago?

1. Find a point guard who can rank higher than 26th in the league

25. Raymond Felton, New York Knicks
2012-2013 stats: 13.9 PPG, 5.5 APG, 2.9 RPG, 1.4 SPG

Raymond Felton gives fans headaches. He's inconsistent most of the time, but he plays hard. He's also clutch, but can't defend an elite point guard to save his life. One thing is for sure, he's the best the Knicks could do and that's alright. Felton never plays scared, sometimes to a fault, and he can say that he was a floor general for a 50-win team. Not many points on this list can say the same.


2. Inject Jeremy Tyler with some high quality steroids


3. Start Tim Hardaway Junior at the two and leave him there for the next five years

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11/30/2013  8:21 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The same thing happened to D'Antoni in his last year. They took away his gm, his point guard and put him in a compromised position with Woodson coming in as an assistant head coach. Woodson lost his gm, lost the anchor to his defense, and has been compromised on how he gives guys minutes, who has roster spots etc. It doesn't work when you do that to guys. Losing Tyson can't be helped but signing a legit back up, even Barron would have helped.

crushAlot - your summary illustrates the fundamental flaw in the Knicks bidness model. So long as Dolan impacts roster moves with a clumsy heavy-handedness as in:

1. there is no way in hell Grunwald was down with Chris Smith being given a roster spot and probably stated as much - which led to his dismissal ...

2. ...same with Donnie Walsh being forced to gut the roster for number 7... Walsh had enough, and took his talents back to Indiana...

...we will continue to offend the gods of good hoops.

The Curse of Chris Smith lives.


Would you give Isiah and Layden that same generous interpretation?
In regards to my take on D'Antoni, I was glad to see him go and I didn't think a team could win playing the way he wanted the Knicks to play. However, I think if he is your coach you have to recognize what you have and give him a point guard. Once Walsh left and Grunwald amnestied Billups I think Grunwald basically was setting things up to move on. I don't know that Mills has a plan.

D'Antoni did need a PG for his scheme to work. It didn't help that Melo was half azzing it.

The Knicks didn't work with their coach, knowing he needed at least a decent PG. He's 9-8 with Blake and Farmar as his PG's. Woody is no different in a sense cuz he needs a PG but a different kind of PG. I think Woody needs a good defensive PG 1st and foremost. Woody isn't really into the fancy offense but he has to have a PG that can move the ball and attack the basket. They should've tried harder to find another PG that was young enough to provide that. Felton isn't that guy and you would think they learned that last year when they had to pair him with Prigs, but Prigs is too old. They still can work to find a better option. It's not like we're looked into a lot of money with Beno.
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11/30/2013  9:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2013  9:39 PM
Factorial

During the Knicks’ four-game trip, the Knicks shot 42 percent from the field, including 30.2 percent from 3-point range, and scored 88.8 points per game. It was a microcosm of a season in which they have shot 41.9 percent from the field (which ranked 27th in the league before Saturday’s games), including 31.7 percent from 3-point range (26th), while scoring 92.4 points per game (25th).

The emergence of Patrick Beverly(Rockets) and Michael Carter-Williams (Sixers) pushes an injured Raymond Felton closer to Bolivian than a starter capable of managing the floor or defending the other 28 higher rated point guards.

Every basketball coach needs a mini-me on the court. That is not news. What is news is how essential that position is in initiating the Knicks Melo-heavy Playbook with some verve, nerve and total control.

I miss Ray Williams

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12/1/2013  10:01 PM
please please fire this guy already..he's a douche!!! he has no idea what to do with his roster, how to play them, when to play them..he's fkg done
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12/1/2013  10:04 PM
Just have to say shump needed to be in there not jr in the fourth. Also shump is the only guy on the Knicks that can defend tyreke. Woodson's sitting shump or hardaway to play jr should get him canned.
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12/1/2013  10:15 PM
No timeouts in the 4th until under a minute left. Some players getting heavy minutes, but aren't given a chance to rest and reset. JR gets the royal treatment again. Tactical errors and errors like giving JR free reign which is not basketball related, no way you can convince me of that.
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12/1/2013  10:17 PM
GustavBahler wrote:No timeouts in the 4th until under a minute left. Some players getting heavy minutes, but aren't given a chance to rest and reset. JR gets the royal treatment again. Tactical errors and errors like giving JR free reign which is not basketball related, no way you can convince me of that.

Agree. I have to wonder if Woodson is replaced by Todd or Herb does the preferential treatment continue?

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12/1/2013  10:46 PM
jr is the worst ... he's comedic out there ... having him in there in the 4th once again was a slap in the face to fans and the rest of the team
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12/1/2013  11:11 PM
9 straight losses coming from a playoff contender, and some people are siding with the coach..
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12/1/2013  11:24 PM
firing woodson is not going to solve anything substantive. it is true that he is a very limited coach working with a very difficult mishmash of players, but the mishmash of players is the heart of the problem. this is what you should expect when you throw together a team with no real plan. and no, attempting to surround a very limited, non-franchise player like carmelo anthony with the right pieces is not a plan, either.
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