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Bonn1997
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11/13/2013  6:48 PM
gunsnewing wrote:This is where you are always wrong Bonn. Same as with Tyson. Those are points off dunks

Huh? I didn't say they were off something else.
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11/13/2013  6:49 PM
And in Karls fast pace offense
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11/13/2013  6:50 PM
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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:HOly crap, i just had a long rant and it got lost! Damn.

In a nutshell, like Lin, Shumpert cannot grow because of the team "star" in Melo. He cannot share the spotlight.

I disagree.

Woodson is the problem. The Coach is the one calling the plays and giving Felton and Hardaway the green light to shoot the rock when they please. This should be a two man show...Melo and Shump. Shump has the ability to drive to the basket and dish it out to Melo for the open jumper. No way should Felton, Hardaway or anyone else (but Melo and maybe JR) be taking more shots than Shump.

Hardaway shouldn't be playing. Lin was able to grow enough in 25 games to get a huge contract as an undrafted free agent.
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11/13/2013  6:50 PM
gunsnewing wrote:And in Karls fast pace offense

Pace would just reduce both #s slightly. Maybe 14 points off 10 shots instead of 15 off 11.
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11/13/2013  6:53 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:I don't get this one. What happens when Tyson returns? Where does he play?

Tyson is out for a month and a half and the season will be over by then if Bargnani grabs 3 rbs a game at center and Melo 7 a game at PF. And usually when this team tells us a month a half, it's closer to 3 months anyway.
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11/13/2013  6:54 PM
Not in Woodson's 1946 offense
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11/13/2013  6:55 PM
keep in my mind that rebonds win championships, and the way we got hammered on the boards in the playoffs, some you need to think strongly about that
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11/13/2013  6:59 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:I don't get this one. What happens when Tyson returns? Where does he play?

Tyson is out for a month and a half and the season will be over by then if Bargnani grabs 3 rbs a game at center and Melo 7 a game at PF. And usually when this team tells us a month a half, it's closer to 3 months anyway.

Why is losing a bad thing?

You rather sneak in the playoffs and get bounced in the 1st round again?
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11/13/2013  7:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2013  7:04 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:I don't get this one. What happens when Tyson returns? Where does he play?

Tyson is out for a month and a half and the season will be over by then if Bargnani grabs 3 rbs a game at center and Melo 7 a game at PF. And usually when this team tells us a month a half, it's closer to 3 months anyway.

Why is losing a bad thing?

You rather sneak in the playoffs and get bounced in the 1st round again?

Well there's no pick. So there's nothing good about losing.
I'd rather trade everyone and start over but that's not an option.
I was starting from the assumption that winning as many games as possible this year is this organization's goal
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11/13/2013  7:03 PM
Even if we don't have a 1st rd pick this year. I would get more joy seeing Dolan fail than getting bounced in the 1st round
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11/13/2013  7:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2013  7:05 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Even if we don't have a 1st rd pick this year. I would get more joy seeing Dolan fail than getting bounced in the 1st round

Just watch rewinds of tapes from all of last decade!
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11/13/2013  7:06 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:I don't get this one. What happens when Tyson returns? Where does he play?

Tyson is out for a month and a half and the season will be over by then if Bargnani grabs 3 rbs a game at center and Melo 7 a game at PF. And usually when this team tells us a month a half, it's closer to 3 months anyway.

Why is losing a bad thing?

You rather sneak in the playoffs and get bounced in the 1st round again?

Well there's no pick. So there's nothing good about losing.
I'd rather trade everyone and start over but that's not an option.
I was starting from the assumption that winning as many games as possible this year is this organization's goal

And that's why it serves Dolan right for the whole thing to blow up in his face
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11/13/2013  7:06 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Even if we don't have a 1st rd pick this year. I would get more joy seeing Dolan fail than getting bounced in the 1st round
I don't think he cares about the Knicks as much as most fans do so I don't think it would burn him that much. The garden sells out regardless. It is much nicer to have a competitive team. Dolan isn't going anywhere so I think you have to hope he fades away again and lets people do their job the right way.
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11/13/2013  7:09 PM
That's why I am hoping we hit rock bottom again. Maybe we will get lucky and he will back off again
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11/13/2013  7:09 PM
gunsnewing wrote:That's why I am hoping we hit rock bottom again. Maybe we will get lucky and he will back off again

because it worked so well last time?
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11/13/2013  7:20 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:That's why I am hoping we hit rock bottom again. Maybe we will get lucky and he will back off again

because it worked so well last time?

It took George Steinbrenner 2 suspensions from baseball to learn to back off

There's always hope
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11/13/2013  7:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2013  7:51 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Even if we don't have a 1st rd pick this year. I would get more joy seeing Dolan fail than getting bounced in the 1st round
I don't think he cares about the Knicks as much as most fans do so I don't think it would burn him that much. The garden sells out regardless. It is much nicer to have a competitive team. Dolan isn't going anywhere so I think you have to hope he fades away again and lets people do their job the right way.


I'm still amazed at how people really thinks Dolan knows basketball and he's make these asinine basketball decisions on his own ?

Isiah hates NY and the fans, Dolan is his puppet with money.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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11/13/2013  8:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2013  8:40 PM
For Iman Shumpert to develop to his fullest potential, it will unlikely happen with this roster
He needs to play SG and we don't have any legit SF's and PG's to harass opponents with him, instead we have a bunch of SG's and PG's that cannot defend over average PG's and SG's 1v1
Preferably he should play on a team that has 1 GREAT PG that can facilitate and penetrate with consistency like a CP3 or with a bunch of quick, young, athletic, running uptempo system, and plays TEAM BALL

Like any player in the league, Iman needs to be in the right system, with the right talent that compliments his skills and covers his weakness's
Iso ball certainly is not to Iman's strengths and without the combination of mobile, high IQ, good/great TEAM DEFENDERS and 1v1 defenders

Lin
Iman
Fields
Novak/Jeffries
Chandler

worked well together, they might not have been the most talented bunch, but they COMPLIMENTED each other both on and off the ball, and most importantly understood how to play TOGETHER on OFF and DEF often covering for each other
While that group was not talented enough to ever win a title, they played the correct way and needed to play that style of ball to suit the strengths of the team, while we needed to upgrade that talent and bench but KEEP that style of play/pressure on DEF and earning room for each other with multiple picks on and off the ball
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11/13/2013  8:59 PM
Humphries brings what Faried does and will likely be waived at some pt. so why give up Shumpert who has trade value and should be used in a trade(maybe in a package) for a better all around talent who fits when Chandler returns. Maybe he can moved for a player like Bledsoe who could bring D to our pg position or maybe even a Alridge if package somehow enhanced.No reason to give up our best trade chip for a player who plugs a hole in our roster for one month
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11/13/2013  9:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2013  9:23 PM
meloanyk wrote:Humphries brings what Faried does and will likely be waived at some pt. so why give up Shumpert who has trade value and should be used in a trade(maybe in a package) for a better all around talent who fits when Chandler returns. Maybe he can moved for a player like Bledsoe who could bring D to our pg position or maybe even a Alridge if package somehow enhanced.No reason to give up our best trade chip for a player who plugs a hole in our roster for one month

Even if you add a 1st rounder in, Sun's still even consider Iman for Bledsoe

If we had to move Iman, I think I would preferably want a player like a young Marion in a package
A SF/PF that has the ability to defend 3 at SG/SF/PF positions and even help at PG , give us 8-10 rebounds, combination of 5 steals/blocks with 2-3 steals and 2-3 blocks, and hit able to hit wide open 3point shots, and POST UP and penetrate/finish at about a 50% FG rate
Besides Durant and Lebron, these players generally cost atleast 12m


players like Wilson Chandler, Battum, Chandler Parsons, etc
not sure if we would take a shot at players like Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, MKG, Giannes Adeketombo *high upside but will need much development*

other players that could help but are questionable deals/packages include

Dragic
Jarret Jack
Bayless or/and Tony Allen and picks
Gordan Hayward and Brandon Rush
Chase Budinger/picks

For the sake of 2015 FA, we should look to sign someone that will still be in their rookie contracts and/or draft picks so we can use that salary for FA instead and resign them to deals in after 2016 cause Iman is eligible for an extension that same year and likely will not be less than 6m per year, I am guessing he will be worth around 8m per year at least and we cannot afford to pay him that amount with the holes with have and the needs to fill
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