StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

So you think we would have gotten further in the playoffs and won more games in the regular season if Paul George was on that Knicks team instead of Melo?

absolutely yes.

If u think Paul George could have carried his team in the month of April to a 18-6 record to make the playoffs then u don't know what u are talking about...

don't care what happens during the jayvee season i care what happens in the varsity season. it is not difficult to integrate george into a team, so the result will be a better team all season long. melo is almost impossible to integrate because everyone has to adjust to HIM, which brings down the level of the team even as it ironically puts more pressure on melo to raise his usage rate ever higher. it's a tragicomic dynamic.

so far as i am concerned, melo is the nba version of dave winfield....

Then I have to say u don't understand the game or sports for that matter...Baseball, you need a team..Mattingly is an all time great in my opinion..U can't fault him for not having a team around him...Winfield was a great defensive player too..strong arm in right..Come on, are u for real???...Maybe Winfield should pitch and Mattingly should close...

Tony Gwynn sucks because he didn't win in the playoffs...
Rod Carew sucks
Nolan Ryan sucks
John Cadelaria sucks
Kirby Puckett sucks..only won once and couldn't beat the Yankees all those years...

just because i compare melo to winfield does not give you license to compare basketball to baseball. the comparison was made out of the notion of peaking or performing at the wrong time of year, and nothing more. if you don't have a decent counterargument you take the route you just took, which is a pattern with you.

melo puts up gaudy and shiny numbers at the expense of team building. and he puts up those numbers at the wrong time of year.

baseball is a unique team game, the closest thing to a collection of individual actions in isolation and sequence as you can get. and the most important aspect of the sport is pitching, not position players.

First year Melo was here we lost to Boston in the first round...I think it was Marv Albert who said it's Melo and 4 guys out there against Boston..Melo had numbers at "the right time of the year", maybe you forgot..one game 42 pts 17 boards and 6 asst??...Did you forget...He also dropped 37 pts and grabbed 9 boards in a game against Boy George...Did you forget???

Loo
i understand where you are coming from. When i was growing up Starks was my favorite player just like melo is your favorite. Its tough to be critical of your favorite player but lets afce it other than jordan and maybe lebron every players has flaws

You are always approaching the topic from the wrong angle...U are always trying to say I defend Melo because I like him and he is my favorite player which is not the case...Move beyond that..Let's talk facts...Let's debate what we have seen...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

ok, it is a team game...then why did you ask this question?

How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line?

you win and lose as a team....

And the game was on the line, the series was on the line, game 6.. paul george had a very good closeout game..

Anyone can close out a game here and there, heck, JR closed out a few for us last year...Can he or has he done it on a consistent basis??

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

If it's a team game, why are you obsessed with whether Paul George is going to hit the shot with the game on the line? You're contradicting yourself. Clearly their team hit enough shots with games on the line against us.

I think Championship teams needs a closer...We have one..Not many teams have one..Again, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, CP3, Harden??maybe..
Now build a team around him dammit!!!

By the way, all those guys outside of Kobe have another top NBA player next to him and we know what Kobe's team look like..Coincidence???

a championship team needs a lot of things.. one of them is their best player needs to be a leader, play both sides of the ball, and a pretty complete player..

we don't have one!!

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can't do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

melo is hard to play alongside because of the way he plays. gallinari-- when healthy, and this is a question mark no doubt-- is a terrific advanced stats player. he is an eager defender and gets to the line and keeps the ball moving. if he could only regain his 3-point shooting he would be an all-star. but there is no way he starts on a team that has melo on it. that's step one.

but he would be a great second unit facilitator/scorer and frankly here in new york that would have been embraced...

lin is another guy who showed what he can do when you keep him separate from guys who want to hold onto the ball. so he too, if it turned out he was a knick after melo arrived in free agency, would be a guy who with gallinari could have anchored the best second unit in the league.

just because i like lin and gallinari's games does not preclude imagining their being on the same team a s a melo who arrives in free agency.

now answer tkf's query: what are carmelo anthony's flaws?

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

So you think we would have gotten further in the playoffs and won more games in the regular season if Paul George was on that Knicks team instead of Melo?

absolutely yes.

If u think Paul George could have carried his team in the month of April to a 18-6 record to make the playoffs then u don't know what u are talking about...

don't care what happens during the jayvee season i care what happens in the varsity season. it is not difficult to integrate george into a team, so the result will be a better team all season long. melo is almost impossible to integrate because everyone has to adjust to HIM, which brings down the level of the team even as it ironically puts more pressure on melo to raise his usage rate ever higher. it's a tragicomic dynamic.

so far as i am concerned, melo is the nba version of dave winfield....

Then I have to say u don't understand the game or sports for that matter...Baseball, you need a team..Mattingly is an all time great in my opinion..U can't fault him for not having a team around him...Winfield was a great defensive player too..strong arm in right..Come on, are u for real???...Maybe Winfield should pitch and Mattingly should close...

Tony Gwynn sucks because he didn't win in the playoffs...
Rod Carew sucks
Nolan Ryan sucks
John Cadelaria sucks
Kirby Puckett sucks..only won once and couldn't beat the Yankees all those years...

just because i compare melo to winfield does not give you license to compare basketball to baseball. the comparison was made out of the notion of peaking or performing at the wrong time of year, and nothing more. if you don't have a decent counterargument you take the route you just took, which is a pattern with you.

melo puts up gaudy and shiny numbers at the expense of team building. and he puts up those numbers at the wrong time of year.

baseball is a unique team game, the closest thing to a collection of individual actions in isolation and sequence as you can get. and the most important aspect of the sport is pitching, not position players.

First year Melo was here we lost to Boston in the first round...I think it was Marv Albert who said it's Melo and 4 guys out there against Boston..Melo had numbers at "the right time of the year", maybe you forgot..one game 42 pts 17 boards and 6 asst??...Did you forget...He also dropped 37 pts and grabbed 9 boards in a game last year against Boy George, the defensive demon...Did you forget???

what about the other games holfresh? why not list what he did in the other games that got them to the point of being swept..

Not even looking it up but I think he scored at least 30 pts in 3 games of 6 games...And rebounded well too..Indy won the series 4-2 but I know in your eyes that means swept, so...

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can't do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

I understand and agree with what you are saying about melo's talent and wanting to win. However can we at least agree that so far melo hasnt had success in the playoffs and he has flaws in other parts of his agme besides scoring

So you don't consider getting to the playoffs for 10 years, all the years you have been a pro, a good record???..How many NBA players have ever accomplished that??

Also, regarding the playoff record to u hold against him..When Melo played in Denver and came up against the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq in the first round, you hold that against him for losing??..Mind you Earl Boykins is the second highest scorer on those teams..They also faced the Champioship Spurs in the first round as well..When Melo came here in his first year..Melo and 4 dudes faced the Champions, Boston Celtics...42 pts, 17 boards,6 assist later, it's Melo's fault for not winning right???

You make it seem like im a melo hater when in fact i have defended him a lot BUT i also try to tell it like it is.

Again, leave the personal feelings out of the conversation..Let talk facts..Is it Melo fault he lost to the Champioship Lakers, or the Championship Spurs or to the Championship Celtics???..If not, then why harp on the playoff record???

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

melo is hard to play alongside because of the way he plays. gallinari-- when healthy, and this is a question mark no doubt-- is a terrific advanced stats player. he is an eager defender and gets to the line and keeps the ball moving. if he could only regain his 3-point shooting he would be an all-star. but there is no way he starts on a team that has melo on it. that's step one.

but he would be a great second unit facilitator/scorer and frankly here in new york that would have been embraced...

lin is another guy who showed what he can do when you keep him separate from guys who want to hold onto the ball. so he too, if it turned out he was a knick after melo arrived in free agency, would be a guy who with gallinari could have anchored the best second unit in the league.

just because i like lin and gallinari's games does not preclude imagining their being on the same team a s a melo who arrives in free agency.

now answer tkf's query: what are carmelo anthony's flaws?

Yes or No...If you see Gallo coming off the bench for the Knicks if Melo is here because they play the same position essentially..Did JR have a better year than Gallo last year???...Lin can't run the point on a Championship team, he turns the ball over too much..In Houston, Harden does most of the ball handling, and his t/o are still high...

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holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can't do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

I understand and agree with what you are saying about melo's talent and wanting to win. However can we at least agree that so far melo hasnt had success in the playoffs and he has flaws in other parts of his agme besides scoring

So you don't consider getting to the playoffs for 10 years, all the years you have been a pro, a good record???..How many NBA players have ever accomplished that??

Also, regarding the playoff record to u hold against him..When Melo played in Denver and came up against the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq in the first round, you hold that against him for losing??..Mind you Earl Boykins is the second highest scorer on those teams..They also faced the Champioship Spurs in the first round as well..When Melo came here in his first year..Melo and 4 dudes faced the Champions, Boston Celtics...42 pts, 17 boards,6 assist later, it's Melo's fault for not winning right???

You make it seem like im a melo hater when in fact i have defended him a lot BUT i also try to tell it like it is.

Again, leave the personal feelings out of the conversation..Let talk facts..Is it Melo fault he lost to the Champioship Lakers, or the Championship Spurs or to the Championship Celtics???..If not, then why harp on the playoff record???

First of all i keep personal feelings aside but you seem not to because you have not once been somewhat critical of melo's game. lets face it if melo was perfect than he would have least been to a nba finals or mvp

Again, touchy, feely...Don't worry about what I'm feeling because u seem to get it wrong all the time...He was third n the NBA MVP race last year, does that count??..My point really is that the Knicks have 1000 more issues before we could get to Melo...I just don't understand the constant need to make Melo the reason we don't take the next step..He is far from being the problem...

because he doesn't make others around him better and he is an inefficient scorer, selfish, and a below-average defender no matter how you slice it, too. usage rate 35% but only 2 assists to show for it and an assist rate around 14%.

why don't you start there? why is he the guy who always "needs better help" and who has a "supporting cast who doesn't step up?" why the excuses when his career has been one of distinct failure in the playoffs? does inefficiency, selfishness, sub-par defense somehow translate to playoff wins for you?!? does leaving denver or potentially new york-- his putative home town-- not smack of a dude chasing money even as he is running away from the cold reality that he isn't as good as he thinks he is??????

Heat second best players behind LeBron is Wade, Bosh...top NBA players
OKC second best player behind Durant is Westbrook, Ibaka..top NBA players
Indy best players behind Boy George is Hibbert, David West
Spurs best players behind Parker is Duncan and Manu
Boston had Rondo, KG and Pierce
Bulls DRose have Deng, Noah, Boozer

Who the hell does Melo have?????..Could this possibly be the problem??????