azamatbagatov wrote:

Papabear wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:We all know Melo isn't taking a pay cut and we all know the Knicks don't have the balls to let him walk. The one thing in common here is neither ownership nor Melo's top priority is winning a championship. The sad thing is how so many "knicks fans" are willing to give both of them a pass on it.

How is anyone giving them a pass?

Have you read this thread? Guys are already laying the ground work to blame ownership if Melo doesn't take less money.

Papabear Says

Melo needs to get his money and say kiss my azz. Do you really think if melo to only 15 million instead of 25 million TKF and his hate crew would have a nice thing to say?? Hell no! They hate him and will always hate him. And I believe if the Knicks was in the finals they would be rooting against the Knicks and thats a fact. They want to build the team the way they want to build the Knicks and none of then never coached pee wee basketball team.

Great and when we have no cap room to bring in help I don't want to hear anything out of Melo. If he takes less money it gives our GM flexibility to bring in help through trades or free agency and not have to make moves like this offseason by bringing in another teams garbage (Bargnani) and hoping he comes here and magically figures it out after 7 years in the league.

Lastly, why do you give a damn if TKF or anybody says nice things about Melo. Thats ridiculous. I am pretty sure Melo doesn't care if anybody says mean things about you. It's all about the Knicks and them hopefully breaking one of the longest championship droughts in all of sports.

So what you are saying is that Melo is the man. The team is in his hands and we won 54 games this season and made it to the second round for the first time in 13 years and some of you are still complaining. And no one believe the Knicks will never have a chance no matter what Melo gives up so if thats the case I would tell Melo get all what you can and look out for yourself. Other players got theirs so go get yours. Lebron will make more than Melo even if he played for free with the endorsements he gets so it was no big deal for him taking a pay cut.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

you are 100% correct, but we both know, there is no evidence to show that he is the type of guy that will take less in order to be in a better situation.. we saw it as he forced his way here.. he didn't care what the knicks had to give up.. he wanted his money, and his wife's reality show..... he is going to money grab, and do so at the expense of the knicks.. why not? most fans still will think he is the "greatest" and doesn't have "help"... the same old, same old...story..

I never begrudge anyone the money they can earn and I find it intellectually dishonest when people call for athletes to take less. Would you take a voluntary 33% pay cut next year so your organization can achieve a higher standing? I just don't see many people saying.....hey, please cut my $100K salary to $66K next year so the department can bring in some new blood.

If the Knicks sign Melo to a $25 mil long term contract....it is on them, not Melo.

I actually had this discussion here on the board before.. I am the controller of a pretty decent sized mfg company. I have taken a sizeable paycut a year ago so that we could reach organizational goals and honestly save some jobs.. so yes.. and so far it has paid off as i will see that back and more in the future as we picked up a HUGE contract....with a fortune 500 company..

But I will say this, someone making 100k and losing 33% is huge, while the person making 20 mil is losing the same Percentage, I doubt that their lives will be altered at all by leaving that on the table.. as opposed to the average working person..

Papabear Says

Damn TKF no wonder why your company is loosing money your azz is always on the Ultimate Knicks You are on here day and night so I guess you multi task. Look you are an Ultimate Knicks Junkie. And so am I. I just can't get enough of it. I Love It but you a controller?

It's gonna be getting cold soon. Shouldn't you be hibernating?

NO because I'm an all year around bear. I don't Hibernate but I love crushing my bonn bonns with my teeth.

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

you are 100% correct, but we both know, there is no evidence to show that he is the type of guy that will take less in order to be in a better situation.. we saw it as he forced his way here.. he didn't care what the knicks had to give up.. he wanted his money, and his wife's reality show..... he is going to money grab, and do so at the expense of the knicks.. why not? most fans still will think he is the "greatest" and doesn't have "help"... the same old, same old...story..

I never begrudge anyone the money they can earn and I find it intellectually dishonest when people call for athletes to take less. Would you take a voluntary 33% pay cut next year so your organization can achieve a higher standing? I just don't see many people saying.....hey, please cut my $100K salary to $66K next year so the department can bring in some new blood.

If the Knicks sign Melo to a $25 mil long term contract....it is on them, not Melo.

I actually had this discussion here on the board before.. I am the controller of a pretty decent sized mfg company. I have taken a sizeable paycut a year ago so that we could reach organizational goals and honestly save some jobs.. so yes.. and so far it has paid off as i will see that back and more in the future as we picked up a HUGE contract....with a fortune 500 company..

But I will say this, someone making 100k and losing 33% is huge, while the person making 20 mil is losing the same Percentage, I doubt that their lives will be altered at all by leaving that on the table.. as opposed to the average working person..

Nice. Kudos to you for helping out others at your job and seeing the big picture potential. Melo's situation is a bit different. His taking a pay cut far from guarantees the Knicks make the right move or get the right guy. His risk is a bit higher and he is in a position where this might be his last big deal. Still nice to hear that you are looking out for others. Love hearing stuff like that.

Oh break my heart. STOP IT!! TKF is a hater point blank. I don't believe a word he says.

i laugh because the alternative to NOT taking a paycut is that he will definitely rule out any chance of being a genuine contender. he has painted himself into a corner here; he made this bed now he has to lie in it.

and if you want to, please go right ahead and be his apologist: go down the road of (1)it's amare's contract or (2)he had to get that money because of the cba or (3)the knicks didn't have to trade for him... it changes NOTHING as of now and going forward.

so if he wants to actually win he will have to take a paycut regardless of the alleged risk he would be taking in doing so.

amazing how you insist on making him an innocent victim in all these dealings.

Papabear wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

Papabear wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:We all know Melo isn't taking a pay cut and we all know the Knicks don't have the balls to let him walk. The one thing in common here is neither ownership nor Melo's top priority is winning a championship. The sad thing is how so many "knicks fans" are willing to give both of them a pass on it.

How is anyone giving them a pass?

Have you read this thread? Guys are already laying the ground work to blame ownership if Melo doesn't take less money.

Papabear Says

Melo needs to get his money and say kiss my azz. Do you really think if melo to only 15 million instead of 25 million TKF and his hate crew would have a nice thing to say?? Hell no! They hate him and will always hate him. And I believe if the Knicks was in the finals they would be rooting against the Knicks and thats a fact. They want to build the team the way they want to build the Knicks and none of then never coached pee wee basketball team.

Great and when we have no cap room to bring in help I don't want to hear anything out of Melo. If he takes less money it gives our GM flexibility to bring in help through trades or free agency and not have to make moves like this offseason by bringing in another teams garbage (Bargnani) and hoping he comes here and magically figures it out after 7 years in the league.

Lastly, why do you give a damn if TKF or anybody says nice things about Melo. Thats ridiculous. I am pretty sure Melo doesn't care if anybody says mean things about you. It's all about the Knicks and them hopefully breaking one of the longest championship droughts in all of sports.

Papabear Says

So what you are saying is that Melo is the man. The team is in his hands and we won 54 games this season and made it to the second round for the first time in 13 years and some of you are still complaining. And no one believe the Knicks will never have a chance no matter what Melo gives up so if thats the case I would tell Melo get all what you can and look out for yourself. Other players got theirs so go get yours. Lebron will make more than Melo even if he played for free with the endorsements he gets so it was no big deal for him taking a pay cut.

Lol, not sure where you got that from in anything I've said but ok.

The bolded part of your response is the difference between you and I. I am a Knicks fan first and want what's best for the franchise. You seem to be a Melo fan first and Knicks fan second. Just don't forget long after Melo is gone the Knicks will still be around

Bonn1997 wrote:A-Rod was legitimately taking a high salary. It's not like he was taking up precious cap space.

You are an actual A-Rod apologist?

It's just the view that because of the cap, fan expectations are that players are supposed to build their salaries around ensuring the available space and legitimacy that you mention. And they don't. And that goes way back before Melo, Stat or LeQ's "Decision". Just ask Jon Koncak.

The cap is there to control the owners against themselves. It's not there as a metric to see how much a player really wants to win. Or is it?

jrodmc wrote:I don't think even casual fans at this point are unaware of the cap. We just went through a shortened season not that long ago. "Cap space" "Max contract", "MLE" are all part of the NBA lingo now.

It's just the view that because of the cap, fan expectations are that players are supposed to build their salaries around ensuring the available space and legitimacy that you mention. And they don't. And that goes way back before Melo, Stat or LeQ's "Decision". Just ask Jon Koncak.

The cap is there to control the owners against themselves. It's not there as a metric to see how much a player really wants to win. Or is it?

The luxury tax is what protects the owners from themselves, along with the repeater tax....unless you're the Russian dude in BK.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:You can use the word "legitimate" and Arod's salary in the same sentence.

I meant it was OK for him to seek that much money - it's not like he was taking up valuable, limited cap space. I'd take as much of George's money as he'd be willing to give me.

So the cheater's money is "legitimate" while Melo's money (earned fair and square) is somehow improper...A-rod is a steroid abuser, NOTHING in his baseball career is legitimate, not his legacy, his money, or his records. Give me an over-priced ballhog over a cheater anyday.

Another thing, there may be no salary cap in baseball, but if you're demanding ridiculous money from a team you wish to sign with you are still limiting them financially, the parameters are just not as concrete. Not even the Yankees have unlimited spending money.