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6/24/2013  10:29 AM
AnubisADL wrote:The problem with this draft is no one really knows how the lottery is going to shake out. Plus you have a few teams with 2 picks. So depending on who they draft first they may go for a different position with their 2nd pick. Oklahoma, Utah, Cleveland, Phoenix, and Atlanta all have 2 picks in the first round.

I also believe some guys are way too high like Bullock and Rice.

I also don't expect the Knicks to reach on a foreign player.

I don't expect the Knicks to reach on a foreign player either. I think their 1a, 1b guys are Mitchell and Wolters.
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6/24/2013  10:37 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:The problem with this draft is no one really knows how the lottery is going to shake out. Plus you have a few teams with 2 picks. So depending on who they draft first they may go for a different position with their 2nd pick. Oklahoma, Utah, Cleveland, Phoenix, and Atlanta all have 2 picks in the first round.

I also believe some guys are way too high like Bullock and Rice.

I also don't expect the Knicks to reach on a foreign player.

I don't expect the Knicks to reach on a foreign player either. I think their 1a, 1b guys are Mitchell and Wolters.

I dont expect the Knicks to reach on Wolters at 24. Felton can barely stay in front of most PGs. I cant even imagine Wolters being able to guard PGs.

If the player cant defend their position Woodson is going to have them sitting on the bench.

I figure 1b is Jamaal Franklin, Tim Hardaway Jr, or Ricardo Ledo. Tim Hardaway has weak handle though.

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6/24/2013  11:00 AM
All jokes aside, how much time will any NY draft pick get with Woodson's rookies don't play much they watch and learn philosophy ?
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6/24/2013  11:04 AM
playa2 wrote:All jokes aside, how much time will any NY draft pick get with Woodson's rookies don't play much they watch and learn philosophy ?
Shump played a lot of minutes for Woodson his rookie year. I think Woodson wants guys to play d and bust it in practice. I think a guy like Mitchell is in his rotation from day 1.
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6/24/2013  11:06 AM
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playa2 wrote:All jokes aside, how much time will any NY draft pick get with Woodson's rookies don't play much they watch and learn philosophy ?
Shump played a lot of minutes for Woodson his rookie year. I think Woodson wants guys to play d and bust it in practice. I think a guy like Mitchell is in his rotation from day 1.

Pretty much. The Knicks are really thin. Any rookie who is willing to give 110% effort in practice and on the defensive end is going to get minutes.

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6/24/2013  11:27 AM
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Denver's pick at 27 is available, teams tell Y! Nuggets open to future 1st, or moving back into 30's. Nuggets like their young roster core.
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6/24/2013  12:03 PM
Muscala makes the most sense for this team . We have very little post offense but we do have a very solid defensive center. Muscala reminds me of a cross between David Lee and a hybrid Dirk Nowitski. He has post moves that you do not see anymore. He can help right now with defense rebounding and offense. Two way player. Hes 3 inches taller than Mitchell and way more skilled and there will be no question marks about work ethic IQ hes going to work hard. I wont cry with Mitchell but I bet my bottom dollar that Muscala has a better pro career.
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6/24/2013  12:56 PM
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playa2 wrote:All jokes aside, how much time will any NY draft pick get with Woodson's rookies don't play much they watch and learn philosophy ?
Shump played a lot of minutes for Woodson his rookie year. I think Woodson wants guys to play d and bust it in practice. I think a guy like Mitchell is in his rotation from day 1.

Shump played a position where we were very thin, I don't see this pick breaking the rotation .

Coach Woodson is very stubborn with his stance on vets. I wouldn't be surprised if we trade the pick for a veteran player.

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6/24/2013  2:04 PM
According to ESPN’s Marc Stein there have been rumblings of a potential deal sending Chicago Bulls‘ All-Star, Luol Deng, to the Washington Wizards in exchange for the third overall pick and Emeka Okafor.
http://wizofawes.com/2013/06/24/deng-to-wizards/
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6/24/2013  2:08 PM
Great SI article on picks a-z/scout's take. Here is what he said about McCollum
Ray McCallum, 6-2 point guard, Detroit: "He's an NBA player. He was one of the top point guards in the country coming out of high school, and I don't think he has gotten worse. He's a great athlete for his position, which is an attack point guard. We're getting more of those kinds of point guards in our league. He has to become a better outside shooter and finish better around the basket, but he's a gym rat, a coach's son, and he understands how to play the game. He's athletic as get-all, but he doesn't use it enough. I would love to see him go through traffic and dunk on somebody."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130624/2013-nba-draft-prospects/#ixzz2XAboXqe6

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6/24/2013  2:11 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Great SI article on picks a-z/scout's take. Here is what he said about McCollum
Ray McCallum, 6-2 point guard, Detroit: "He's an NBA player. He was one of the top point guards in the country coming out of high school, and I don't think he has gotten worse. He's a great athlete for his position, which is an attack point guard. We're getting more of those kinds of point guards in our league. He has to become a better outside shooter and finish better around the basket, but he's a gym rat, a coach's son, and he understands how to play the game. He's athletic as get-all, but he doesn't use it enough. I would love to see him go through traffic and dunk on somebody."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130624/2013-nba-draft-prospects/#ixzz2XAboXqe6


I think that would pretty much be my draft if I could take it. I do not think we will get a 2nd pick above 33. I would take a Muscala Mccalum draft in a heartbeat. I think all of the other PGs are gone and McCallum has a lot of NBA upside in him. He moves the ball end to end hes fast athletic tough
and has good NBA size for the PG position.
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6/24/2013  2:20 PM
Just looking at the 2005 NBA draft last mock draft. David Lee was slotted 47.

http://nbadraft.net/mocks/2005_nba_mock_draft.html


I see a lot of similarities with Lee and Muscala but I think Muscala will be a better defensive player. D lee turned into a 20-10-3 player.

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6/24/2013  2:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2013  2:42 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Great SI article on picks a-z/scout's take. Here is what he said about McCollum
Ray McCallum, 6-2 point guard, Detroit: "He's an NBA player. He was one of the top point guards in the country coming out of high school, and I don't think he has gotten worse. He's a great athlete for his position, which is an attack point guard. We're getting more of those kinds of point guards in our league. He has to become a better outside shooter and finish better around the basket, but he's a gym rat, a coach's son, and he understands how to play the game. He's athletic as get-all, but he doesn't use it enough. I would love to see him go through traffic and dunk on somebody."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130624/2013-nba-draft-prospects/#ixzz2XAboXqe6

Same Article

Ricardo Ledo, 6-6 guard, Providence: "I saw him in practice. He is very talented. He can slash, shoot the jump shot, pass the ball. He's got a chance to be special if he can play the point, but I don't know if he can think the game at that level. He's had a really tough life. He did a great job in our interview. Talked about some of the other guys in the draft, and he really nailed it."

Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130624/2013-nba-draft-prospects/

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6/24/2013  6:23 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Just looking at the 2005 NBA draft last mock draft. David Lee was slotted 47.

http://nbadraft.net/mocks/2005_nba_mock_draft.html


I see a lot of similarities with Lee and Muscala but I think Muscala will be a better defensive player. D lee turned into a 20-10-3 player.

David Lee had an advantage of playing Center in college and that prepared him for the NBA AT 6"9 going up against bigger guys something like a Dave Cowens type.

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6/24/2013  9:56 PM
Just giving my opinions on the draft. I've started studying the draft tonight. I read scouting reports, watched extensive tape, etc. I don't watch much NCAA basketball but I always prepare like this before the draft to have an idea on the players in it. Here are my opinions.

Wolters looks like good backup PG material. Reminds me of a Kirk Hinrich-type player. Not quick, not athletic but is smart and can shoot the ball.

Giannis Adetokunbo is a guy that I would draft in the 2nd round if we can get a pick (if he lasts that long). If we were to possibly get another late 1st I'd draft him there too because I think the kid has potential. He's only 18 but he's got game and the major weakness he has is strength. That can be fixed. Drafting him and leaving him in Europe to develop with another pick would be a good idea.

Tony Mitchell - one of the few guys I'll be pissed over if we draft. Guy is dumb as rocks and very lazy. If we draft this guy then it's clear Isiah is still involved. He's a total Isiah player. We need to draft players who work hard and play smart, not the opposite. No to this guy all the way. We don't need more stupidity on the team.

I like Reggie Bullock as a role player but he's pretty much a spot up shooter. In Woodson's "offense" (if you can call it that) he would be as useful as Steve Novak...aka useless. If Woodson is not going to call plays for guy to get open off screens or cuts then guys like Bullock are worthless and we will need to draft a player who can create for himself at any position.

Allen Crabbe is a decent player but he can't create for himself and, like Reggie Bullock, would not be a good fit for a Woodson-coached team. He does some things well - especially shoot - but it's all for nothing if your coach is going iso 80% of the time. Also plays SG - not really a position of need, with or without Smith returning.

Tim Hardaway Jr. - nice player but seems to be getting hyped off his father's name. He takes really dumb shots and often settles for shots or forces the shot in traffic. He's not a good decision maker and he's pretty inconsistent. He also can't seem to create for himself consistently because of the poor shot selection, which doesn't really fit with the team. Not a good defender. Plays SG, a position I think we are not in dire need for.

Rudy Gobert - I would take a flier in the 2nd round on this guy. Definitely not a 1st rounder. Too many question marks in his game. He has no offensive game and some of his other weaknesses lie with strength, which can be fixed, but he is very raw. Either this dude is Alexis Ajinca 2.0 or he's a future solid NBA center. The problem is most guys his size never have any post game and are never developed properly. There is no 7 footer in the league that has a post game. Nobody teaches this guy anything anymore. I'd much rather draft this guy in the 2nd round and leave him in the D-League and also give him some time with Olajuwon.

Erick Green is one of my favorites from what I have seen. Not sure why more people haven't mentioned him. He's a quick point guard who can create for himself and for others and can get to the basket and draw fouls. He's a good shooteer and a hard worker. Some of his offensive issues deal with strength (only 185 lbs) but, again, this can be improved. He is a hard worker so I have no doubt he will work on his body and get the strength needed to get to the rim and finish with contact and to also play better defense on stronger players. He also has some defensive issues but that's nothing a little coaching can't fix. He works hard and he has improved his game every year. I think this kid is a future starting PG in the league. He might be my top choice at 24.

Ricky Ledo - monumentally dumb player and questionable-at-best character. You can't transfer to 4 different high schools and tell me you're a normal dude. You also can't sit around for a year doing nothing (not even attempting to go to college or play overseas) and then tell me I can't question your work ethic. This kid has a lot of talent. But so do JR and Jamal and others that have come before Ledo. That doesn't mean he will be a great NBA player. He certainly isn't the smartest or the most hard-working. I'll pass on this guy unless he's available in the 2nd round, which he probably should be. Then I might take a flier on him.

I like Mike Muscala. He's got a nice offensive game. He's a versatile player and he surprised me with the moves he has in the post and his ability to put the ball on the floor. He also has a nice shooting touch. It's a running theme in this draft and with big men in general but he needs to get stronger. He is a hard worker so I think he will focus on that because I think that's all he's missing. He has the intangibles to be a solid NBA center and a future starting center. The guy is smart. He knows when to pass and he knows the art of boxing out. He's a beast on the glass and his positioning on post defense is just great. If he just bulks up he will eliminate some weaknesses, like finishing soft in the paint due to contact or being overpowered in the post. He knows how to play the game. The only thing that's holding him back is the physical part, not the mental part. Very underrated player.

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6/24/2013  9:57 PM
Dennis Schroeder - quick, crafty and has good court vision. His jump shots are limited to catch and shoot plays as he does not shoot well off the dribble or from mid-range. He has trouble making shots when he gets in the paint. He plays great on-ball defense and plays the passing lanes well. His shot looks like it's in slow motion a bit so that could be a problem. Schroeder turns the ball over too much for his position and often because he is lacking focus. He has good awareness on both ends but because he is 19 he has some weaknesses that hold him back. I don't think any of his problems are anything experience and learning in the NBA can't fix. I like this kid. I wouldn't mind us drafting him. He will need some time to fully develop, though.

Gorgui Dieng - agile, mobile, good rebounder, good defender. He has no semblance of an offensive game besides garbage baskets or alley oops...sort of like Chandler. He is a good passer for his size and he knows how to read an offense and get himself set defensively. He needs to develop a consistent mid-range shot to make him a threat on offense since he has no post game. Needs to add another 10-20 lbs of muscle to make a legitimate impact on the glass and on defense. Not much upside to him. I like him but I don't know if I'd take him over Muscala. Muscala has similar parts to his game except he can actually score the ball as well. I called Dieng a future scrub. I don't think he'll be a scrub but I think he'll be a nice backup center for a team. He just needs to work on his offensive game and his strength.

Jeff Withey - impressed with his athleticism and defense, especially in the post. Boxes out and rebounds well. Another big who thrives off the ball and in alley-oop situations than with the ball in his hands. No post game and, like Dieng, needs to add a mid-range shot to his arsenal. Lacks strength and focus. Strength can be corrected but falling asleep and not trying during games...I don't like that. Limited potential due to his age and his limited offensive arsenal and lack of focus.

Isiah Canaan - can score every which way. He can drive to the rim or shoot from the outside. A legit scoring threat but out of position at PG. He has no PG instincts at all. Would be a nice scorer off the bench for the Knicks but I would not take him at 24. He's turnover prone and has poor shot selection. A Nate Robinson/Toney Douglas-type player.

Myck Kabongo - not a good shooter, but has some playmaking skills. He can get to the rim as well but needs to learn how to finish better. He is limited because of his shot but I think if any player could be a Rajon Rondo style of player from this draft it's definitely Myck Kabongo. Not saying I'd take him over guys on my board but I think he has more potential than what people give him credit for.

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6/24/2013  10:11 PM
^^^well done JamesPolk...i agree with most of those evaluations
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/24/2013  10:29 PM
callmened wrote:^^^well done JamesPolk...i agree with most of those evaluations
+1. Nice job.
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6/25/2013  12:44 AM
I'll post here... now since so much talk is picking up....


In the link I posted on Aldridge....


The Pacers and Kings may strike a deal for Jimmer Fredette, although Kings are talking to other teams. We could be one of them since we have a late first rounder the Kings are looking for.


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/60257/flurry-of-trade-talks-surrounding-draft

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6/25/2013  12:49 AM
Nets looking to move Brooks possibly to Minny.
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