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tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think we can add Evan Turner to the list. I know that you guys are probably not a big fan of his but I personally believe in his talent. Doug Collins doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to developing talent (with except to Jrue Holiday), which I think has stifled Evan's development. Even so, he has displayed a bit of the promise that made him the no.2 overall pick in the 2010 draft. I think he can be an especially good point-forward for us given his ability to rebound the ball and spark the break, as well as his excellent ballhandling abilities. Defensively, I think he is pretty underrated especially with his length to distract shooters. As for offensively, he still is a work in progress but has the skills to be an effective midrange game, which is key to being a good scorer. I wonder if the Sixers would be interested in anything we have or could get?

I think Evan is a solid player, not as good as some thought he would be considering his draft position, but I think there is room for growth with him.. but we have nothing the sixers want...

Yeah I agree that it'd be tough to get him. Given the circumstances, we'd need a third team to get it done. Heading into the deadline, the Sixers were reportedly interested in giving up both Turner and Hawes for Josh Smith. The key might be to figure out a way to get Smith to the Sixers, which might be possible if we moved Tyson Chandler or Iman Shumpert (the later being the less ideal solution). I think Evans would be worth it because like you, I think his best days are to come. At worst, I think he'll be the all-star caliber version of John Salmons with the Bulls and Bucks. For the record, I know that Salmons was never an all-star but had all-star like performances during the 2nd half of the season, his first season with both teams.

yea, one thing I learned, you don't have to be voted and all star to perform like one.. Salmons is that type of guy you like to have on your team.. a guy who can score and at times defend...he can start, come off the bench, sort of a utility guy with starter skills...

Had we had a pick or another young player to throw in the fold, we probably could use shumpert to get in such a deal, but we don't have that.. which is why I hate giving up multiple youngings and picks in a deal.. I don't like the idea of moving shumpert in such a deal because ideally I would like to add turner to a team with shumpert on it... both guys can defend, and you could put a unit on the floor with two very good defenders at the wing position. I just love having good, athletic wing defenders... not sure if the hawks would want any parts of tyson chandler.. not with the new GM ferry in cost cutting mode...

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think we can add Evan Turner to the list. I know that you guys are probably not a big fan of his but I personally believe in his talent. Doug Collins doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to developing talent (with except to Jrue Holiday), which I think has stifled Evan's development. Even so, he has displayed a bit of the promise that made him the no.2 overall pick in the 2010 draft. I think he can be an especially good point-forward for us given his ability to rebound the ball and spark the break, as well as his excellent ballhandling abilities. Defensively, I think he is pretty underrated especially with his length to distract shooters. As for offensively, he still is a work in progress but has the skills to be an effective midrange game, which is key to being a good scorer. I wonder if the Sixers would be interested in anything we have or could get?

I think Evan is a solid player, not as good as some thought he would be considering his draft position, but I think there is room for growth with him.. but we have nothing the sixers want...

Yeah I agree that it'd be tough to get him. Given the circumstances, we'd need a third team to get it done. Heading into the deadline, the Sixers were reportedly interested in giving up both Turner and Hawes for Josh Smith. The key might be to figure out a way to get Smith to the Sixers, which might be possible if we moved Tyson Chandler or Iman Shumpert (the later being the less ideal solution). I think Evans would be worth it because like you, I think his best days are to come. At worst, I think he'll be the all-star caliber version of John Salmons with the Bulls and Bucks. For the record, I know that Salmons was never an all-star but had all-star like performances during the 2nd half of the season, his first season with both teams.

yea, one thing I learned, you don't have to be voted and all star to perform like one.. Salmons is that type of guy you like to have on your team.. a guy who can score and at times defend...he can start, come off the bench, sort of a utility guy with starter skills...

Had we had a pick or another young player to throw in the fold, we probably could use shumpert to get in such a deal, but we don't have that.. which is why I hate giving up multiple youngings and picks in a deal.. I don't like the idea of moving shumpert in such a deal because ideally I would like to add turner to a team with shumpert on it... both guys can defend, and you could put a unit on the floor with two very good defenders at the wing position. I just love having good, athletic wing defenders... not sure if the hawks would want any parts of tyson chandler.. not with the new GM ferry in cost cutting mode...

Very good points. I like Turner for all the reasons you mentioned. He is clearly not a finished product but IMO is an immediate upgrade over anything we currently have at the 3 spot and probably as our primary ballhandler. It'd be difficult to get him, no doubt, but we just need to be creative with a 3rd team. I agree that ATL will probably not want Chandler but maybe we could get something for him elsewhere and work it into the framework of the NYK-ATL-PHI deal. Most suspect we can dump Chandler on Portland; maybe we could bring back JJ Hickson at a market appropriate price and 2nd round picks to entice either team.

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think we can add Evan Turner to the list. I know that you guys are probably not a big fan of his but I personally believe in his talent. Doug Collins doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to developing talent (with except to Jrue Holiday), which I think has stifled Evan's development. Even so, he has displayed a bit of the promise that made him the no.2 overall pick in the 2010 draft. I think he can be an especially good point-forward for us given his ability to rebound the ball and spark the break, as well as his excellent ballhandling abilities. Defensively, I think he is pretty underrated especially with his length to distract shooters. As for offensively, he still is a work in progress but has the skills to be an effective midrange game, which is key to being a good scorer. I wonder if the Sixers would be interested in anything we have or could get?

I think Evan is a solid player, not as good as some thought he would be considering his draft position, but I think there is room for growth with him.. but we have nothing the sixers want...

Yeah I agree that it'd be tough to get him. Given the circumstances, we'd need a third team to get it done. Heading into the deadline, the Sixers were reportedly interested in giving up both Turner and Hawes for Josh Smith. The key might be to figure out a way to get Smith to the Sixers, which might be possible if we moved Tyson Chandler or Iman Shumpert (the later being the less ideal solution). I think Evans would be worth it because like you, I think his best days are to come. At worst, I think he'll be the all-star caliber version of John Salmons with the Bulls and Bucks. For the record, I know that Salmons was never an all-star but had all-star like performances during the 2nd half of the season, his first season with both teams.

yea, one thing I learned, you don't have to be voted and all star to perform like one.. Salmons is that type of guy you like to have on your team.. a guy who can score and at times defend...he can start, come off the bench, sort of a utility guy with starter skills...

Had we had a pick or another young player to throw in the fold, we probably could use shumpert to get in such a deal, but we don't have that.. which is why I hate giving up multiple youngings and picks in a deal.. I don't like the idea of moving shumpert in such a deal because ideally I would like to add turner to a team with shumpert on it... both guys can defend, and you could put a unit on the floor with two very good defenders at the wing position. I just love having good, athletic wing defenders... not sure if the hawks would want any parts of tyson chandler.. not with the new GM ferry in cost cutting mode...

Very good points. I like Turner for all the reasons you mentioned. He is clearly not a finished product but IMO is an immediate upgrade over anything we currently have at the 3 spot and probably as our primary ballhandler. It'd be difficult to get him, no doubt, but we just need to be creative with a 3rd team. I agree that ATL will probably not want Chandler but maybe we could get something for him elsewhere and work it into the framework of the NYK-ATL-PHI deal. Most suspect we can dump Chandler on Portland; maybe we could bring back JJ Hickson at a market appropriate price and 2nd round picks to entice either team.

the sad thing is, I think we are stuck with chandler, his 14 mil deal is just hard to swallow, if we do move him, it will be for a player probably on the decline with a huge contract as well, and not a situation that would help us accomplish what we want here.....

I disagree somewhat. There are a few teams with cap space that will undoubtedly find themselves with no one to spend it on. Considering the dearth of talented centers in the league, I could see one of those teams rolling the dice on Chandler. Most centers that are capable of starting, make about 8 figures anyway, so I think most teams would be willing to accept him at that pricetag knowing what the market is.

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think we can add Evan Turner to the list. I know that you guys are probably not a big fan of his but I personally believe in his talent. Doug Collins doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to developing talent (with except to Jrue Holiday), which I think has stifled Evan's development. Even so, he has displayed a bit of the promise that made him the no.2 overall pick in the 2010 draft. I think he can be an especially good point-forward for us given his ability to rebound the ball and spark the break, as well as his excellent ballhandling abilities. Defensively, I think he is pretty underrated especially with his length to distract shooters. As for offensively, he still is a work in progress but has the skills to be an effective midrange game, which is key to being a good scorer. I wonder if the Sixers would be interested in anything we have or could get?

I think Evan is a solid player, not as good as some thought he would be considering his draft position, but I think there is room for growth with him.. but we have nothing the sixers want...

Yeah I agree that it'd be tough to get him. Given the circumstances, we'd need a third team to get it done. Heading into the deadline, the Sixers were reportedly interested in giving up both Turner and Hawes for Josh Smith. The key might be to figure out a way to get Smith to the Sixers, which might be possible if we moved Tyson Chandler or Iman Shumpert (the later being the less ideal solution). I think Evans would be worth it because like you, I think his best days are to come. At worst, I think he'll be the all-star caliber version of John Salmons with the Bulls and Bucks. For the record, I know that Salmons was never an all-star but had all-star like performances during the 2nd half of the season, his first season with both teams.

yea, one thing I learned, you don't have to be voted and all star to perform like one.. Salmons is that type of guy you like to have on your team.. a guy who can score and at times defend...he can start, come off the bench, sort of a utility guy with starter skills...

Had we had a pick or another young player to throw in the fold, we probably could use shumpert to get in such a deal, but we don't have that.. which is why I hate giving up multiple youngings and picks in a deal.. I don't like the idea of moving shumpert in such a deal because ideally I would like to add turner to a team with shumpert on it... both guys can defend, and you could put a unit on the floor with two very good defenders at the wing position. I just love having good, athletic wing defenders... not sure if the hawks would want any parts of tyson chandler.. not with the new GM ferry in cost cutting mode...

Very good points. I like Turner for all the reasons you mentioned. He is clearly not a finished product but IMO is an immediate upgrade over anything we currently have at the 3 spot and probably as our primary ballhandler. It'd be difficult to get him, no doubt, but we just need to be creative with a 3rd team. I agree that ATL will probably not want Chandler but maybe we could get something for him elsewhere and work it into the framework of the NYK-ATL-PHI deal. Most suspect we can dump Chandler on Portland; maybe we could bring back JJ Hickson at a market appropriate price and 2nd round picks to entice either team.

the sad thing is, I think we are stuck with chandler, his 14 mil deal is just hard to swallow, if we do move him, it will be for a player probably on the decline with a huge contract as well, and not a situation that would help us accomplish what we want here.....

I disagree somewhat. There are a few teams with cap space that will undoubtedly find themselves with no one to spend it on. Considering the dearth of talented centers in the league, I could see one of those teams rolling the dice on Chandler. Most centers that are capable of starting, make about 8 figures anyway, so I think most teams would be willing to accept him at that pricetag knowing what the market is.

AND WHAT do you think those teams are willing to to give up? notice what I said, I never indicated a team would not take him, but not for what we would need or want in return...

A piece coming back to NY would have to involve a third team, as Portland doesn't have alot of players under contract.

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think we can add Evan Turner to the list. I know that you guys are probably not a big fan of his but I personally believe in his talent. Doug Collins doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to developing talent (with except to Jrue Holiday), which I think has stifled Evan's development. Even so, he has displayed a bit of the promise that made him the no.2 overall pick in the 2010 draft. I think he can be an especially good point-forward for us given his ability to rebound the ball and spark the break, as well as his excellent ballhandling abilities. Defensively, I think he is pretty underrated especially with his length to distract shooters. As for offensively, he still is a work in progress but has the skills to be an effective midrange game, which is key to being a good scorer. I wonder if the Sixers would be interested in anything we have or could get?

I think Evan is a solid player, not as good as some thought he would be considering his draft position, but I think there is room for growth with him.. but we have nothing the sixers want...

Yeah I agree that it'd be tough to get him. Given the circumstances, we'd need a third team to get it done. Heading into the deadline, the Sixers were reportedly interested in giving up both Turner and Hawes for Josh Smith. The key might be to figure out a way to get Smith to the Sixers, which might be possible if we moved Tyson Chandler or Iman Shumpert (the later being the less ideal solution). I think Evans would be worth it because like you, I think his best days are to come. At worst, I think he'll be the all-star caliber version of John Salmons with the Bulls and Bucks. For the record, I know that Salmons was never an all-star but had all-star like performances during the 2nd half of the season, his first season with both teams.

yea, one thing I learned, you don't have to be voted and all star to perform like one.. Salmons is that type of guy you like to have on your team.. a guy who can score and at times defend...he can start, come off the bench, sort of a utility guy with starter skills...

Had we had a pick or another young player to throw in the fold, we probably could use shumpert to get in such a deal, but we don't have that.. which is why I hate giving up multiple youngings and picks in a deal.. I don't like the idea of moving shumpert in such a deal because ideally I would like to add turner to a team with shumpert on it... both guys can defend, and you could put a unit on the floor with two very good defenders at the wing position. I just love having good, athletic wing defenders... not sure if the hawks would want any parts of tyson chandler.. not with the new GM ferry in cost cutting mode...

Very good points. I like Turner for all the reasons you mentioned. He is clearly not a finished product but IMO is an immediate upgrade over anything we currently have at the 3 spot and probably as our primary ballhandler. It'd be difficult to get him, no doubt, but we just need to be creative with a 3rd team. I agree that ATL will probably not want Chandler but maybe we could get something for him elsewhere and work it into the framework of the NYK-ATL-PHI deal. Most suspect we can dump Chandler on Portland; maybe we could bring back JJ Hickson at a market appropriate price and 2nd round picks to entice either team.

the sad thing is, I think we are stuck with chandler, his 14 mil deal is just hard to swallow, if we do move him, it will be for a player probably on the decline with a huge contract as well, and not a situation that would help us accomplish what we want here.....

I disagree somewhat. There are a few teams with cap space that will undoubtedly find themselves with no one to spend it on. Considering the dearth of talented centers in the league, I could see one of those teams rolling the dice on Chandler. Most centers that are capable of starting, make about 8 figures anyway, so I think most teams would be willing to accept him at that pricetag knowing what the market is.

AND WHAT do you think those teams are willing to to give up? notice what I said, I never indicated a team would not take him, but not for what we would need or want in return...

Portland needs a center, and has the cap space when some to spare.

A piece coming back to NY would have to involve a third team, as Portland doesn't have alot of players under contract.

ok, so a third team is involved if portland doesn't have the pieces to give up, then how does having a third team help? you are basically just trying to dump chandler on a team that has nothing to give in return while asking a 3rd team to jump in just for the hell of it....

why would portland touch chandler's 14 mil? if they need a center there are other options, cheaper they can explore...

I'm sure they would entertain obtaining a starting center, and no, there are not that many available even remotely as good as chandler.

The third team may want cap relief to pursue free agents, and it would also help the Knicks with their luxury tax situation.

Knicks send Tyson to Portland

Phx sends Frye Dudley to NY

Portland has the space to absorbTysons contract without having to give anything back.

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think we can add Evan Turner to the list. I know that you guys are probably not a big fan of his but I personally believe in his talent. Doug Collins doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to developing talent (with except to Jrue Holiday), which I think has stifled Evan's development. Even so, he has displayed a bit of the promise that made him the no.2 overall pick in the 2010 draft. I think he can be an especially good point-forward for us given his ability to rebound the ball and spark the break, as well as his excellent ballhandling abilities. Defensively, I think he is pretty underrated especially with his length to distract shooters. As for offensively, he still is a work in progress but has the skills to be an effective midrange game, which is key to being a good scorer. I wonder if the Sixers would be interested in anything we have or could get?

I think Evan is a solid player, not as good as some thought he would be considering his draft position, but I think there is room for growth with him.. but we have nothing the sixers want...

Yeah I agree that it'd be tough to get him. Given the circumstances, we'd need a third team to get it done. Heading into the deadline, the Sixers were reportedly interested in giving up both Turner and Hawes for Josh Smith. The key might be to figure out a way to get Smith to the Sixers, which might be possible if we moved Tyson Chandler or Iman Shumpert (the later being the less ideal solution). I think Evans would be worth it because like you, I think his best days are to come. At worst, I think he'll be the all-star caliber version of John Salmons with the Bulls and Bucks. For the record, I know that Salmons was never an all-star but had all-star like performances during the 2nd half of the season, his first season with both teams.

yea, one thing I learned, you don't have to be voted and all star to perform like one.. Salmons is that type of guy you like to have on your team.. a guy who can score and at times defend...he can start, come off the bench, sort of a utility guy with starter skills...

Had we had a pick or another young player to throw in the fold, we probably could use shumpert to get in such a deal, but we don't have that.. which is why I hate giving up multiple youngings and picks in a deal.. I don't like the idea of moving shumpert in such a deal because ideally I would like to add turner to a team with shumpert on it... both guys can defend, and you could put a unit on the floor with two very good defenders at the wing position. I just love having good, athletic wing defenders... not sure if the hawks would want any parts of tyson chandler.. not with the new GM ferry in cost cutting mode...

Very good points. I like Turner for all the reasons you mentioned. He is clearly not a finished product but IMO is an immediate upgrade over anything we currently have at the 3 spot and probably as our primary ballhandler. It'd be difficult to get him, no doubt, but we just need to be creative with a 3rd team. I agree that ATL will probably not want Chandler but maybe we could get something for him elsewhere and work it into the framework of the NYK-ATL-PHI deal. Most suspect we can dump Chandler on Portland; maybe we could bring back JJ Hickson at a market appropriate price and 2nd round picks to entice either team.

the sad thing is, I think we are stuck with chandler, his 14 mil deal is just hard to swallow, if we do move him, it will be for a player probably on the decline with a huge contract as well, and not a situation that would help us accomplish what we want here.....

I disagree somewhat. There are a few teams with cap space that will undoubtedly find themselves with no one to spend it on. Considering the dearth of talented centers in the league, I could see one of those teams rolling the dice on Chandler. Most centers that are capable of starting, make about 8 figures anyway, so I think most teams would be willing to accept him at that pricetag knowing what the market is.

AND WHAT do you think those teams are willing to to give up? notice what I said, I never indicated a team would not take him, but not for what we would need or want in return...

Portland needs a center, and has the cap space when some to spare.

A piece coming back to NY would have to involve a third team, as Portland doesn't have alot of players under contract.

ok, so a third team is involved if portland doesn't have the pieces to give up, then how does having a third team help? you are basically just trying to dump chandler on a team that has nothing to give in return while asking a 3rd team to jump in just for the hell of it....

why would portland touch chandler's 14 mil? if they need a center there are other options, cheaper they can explore...

We wont get plus value back for Chandler. We are stuck with this team. If we had are draft picks I would clean house this offseason but we dont.

that is what I am saying... no one is going to give anything of value back for chandler... and I agree, if we had draft picks I would take an enema to this team, but read the threads, you don't win building through the draft.. go figure... smh

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think we can add Evan Turner to the list. I know that you guys are probably not a big fan of his but I personally believe in his talent. Doug Collins doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to developing talent (with except to Jrue Holiday), which I think has stifled Evan's development. Even so, he has displayed a bit of the promise that made him the no.2 overall pick in the 2010 draft. I think he can be an especially good point-forward for us given his ability to rebound the ball and spark the break, as well as his excellent ballhandling abilities. Defensively, I think he is pretty underrated especially with his length to distract shooters. As for offensively, he still is a work in progress but has the skills to be an effective midrange game, which is key to being a good scorer. I wonder if the Sixers would be interested in anything we have or could get?

I think Evan is a solid player, not as good as some thought he would be considering his draft position, but I think there is room for growth with him.. but we have nothing the sixers want...

Yeah I agree that it'd be tough to get him. Given the circumstances, we'd need a third team to get it done. Heading into the deadline, the Sixers were reportedly interested in giving up both Turner and Hawes for Josh Smith. The key might be to figure out a way to get Smith to the Sixers, which might be possible if we moved Tyson Chandler or Iman Shumpert (the later being the less ideal solution). I think Evans would be worth it because like you, I think his best days are to come. At worst, I think he'll be the all-star caliber version of John Salmons with the Bulls and Bucks. For the record, I know that Salmons was never an all-star but had all-star like performances during the 2nd half of the season, his first season with both teams.

yea, one thing I learned, you don't have to be voted and all star to perform like one.. Salmons is that type of guy you like to have on your team.. a guy who can score and at times defend...he can start, come off the bench, sort of a utility guy with starter skills...

Had we had a pick or another young player to throw in the fold, we probably could use shumpert to get in such a deal, but we don't have that.. which is why I hate giving up multiple youngings and picks in a deal.. I don't like the idea of moving shumpert in such a deal because ideally I would like to add turner to a team with shumpert on it... both guys can defend, and you could put a unit on the floor with two very good defenders at the wing position. I just love having good, athletic wing defenders... not sure if the hawks would want any parts of tyson chandler.. not with the new GM ferry in cost cutting mode...

Very good points. I like Turner for all the reasons you mentioned. He is clearly not a finished product but IMO is an immediate upgrade over anything we currently have at the 3 spot and probably as our primary ballhandler. It'd be difficult to get him, no doubt, but we just need to be creative with a 3rd team. I agree that ATL will probably not want Chandler but maybe we could get something for him elsewhere and work it into the framework of the NYK-ATL-PHI deal. Most suspect we can dump Chandler on Portland; maybe we could bring back JJ Hickson at a market appropriate price and 2nd round picks to entice either team.

the sad thing is, I think we are stuck with chandler, his 14 mil deal is just hard to swallow, if we do move him, it will be for a player probably on the decline with a huge contract as well, and not a situation that would help us accomplish what we want here.....

I disagree somewhat. There are a few teams with cap space that will undoubtedly find themselves with no one to spend it on. Considering the dearth of talented centers in the league, I could see one of those teams rolling the dice on Chandler. Most centers that are capable of starting, make about 8 figures anyway, so I think most teams would be willing to accept him at that pricetag knowing what the market is.

AND WHAT do you think those teams are willing to to give up? notice what I said, I never indicated a team would not take him, but not for what we would need or want in return...

Portland needs a center, and has the cap space when some to spare.

A piece coming back to NY would have to involve a third team, as Portland doesn't have alot of players under contract.

ok, so a third team is involved if portland doesn't have the pieces to give up, then how does having a third team help? you are basically just trying to dump chandler on a team that has nothing to give in return while asking a 3rd team to jump in just for the hell of it....

why would portland touch chandler's 14 mil? if they need a center there are other options, cheaper they can explore...

We wont get plus value back for Chandler. We are stuck with this team. If we had are draft picks I would clean house this offseason but we dont.

that is what I am saying... no one is going to give anything of value back for chandler... and I agree, if we had draft picks I would take an enema to this team, but read the threads, you don't win building through the draft.. go figure... smh

Hopefully someday someone other than San Antonio will be able to win a title after building successfully thru the draft and you can say "told you so."

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think we can add Evan Turner to the list. I know that you guys are probably not a big fan of his but I personally believe in his talent. Doug Collins doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to developing talent (with except to Jrue Holiday), which I think has stifled Evan's development. Even so, he has displayed a bit of the promise that made him the no.2 overall pick in the 2010 draft. I think he can be an especially good point-forward for us given his ability to rebound the ball and spark the break, as well as his excellent ballhandling abilities. Defensively, I think he is pretty underrated especially with his length to distract shooters. As for offensively, he still is a work in progress but has the skills to be an effective midrange game, which is key to being a good scorer. I wonder if the Sixers would be interested in anything we have or could get?

I think Evan is a solid player, not as good as some thought he would be considering his draft position, but I think there is room for growth with him.. but we have nothing the sixers want...

Yeah I agree that it'd be tough to get him. Given the circumstances, we'd need a third team to get it done. Heading into the deadline, the Sixers were reportedly interested in giving up both Turner and Hawes for Josh Smith. The key might be to figure out a way to get Smith to the Sixers, which might be possible if we moved Tyson Chandler or Iman Shumpert (the later being the less ideal solution). I think Evans would be worth it because like you, I think his best days are to come. At worst, I think he'll be the all-star caliber version of John Salmons with the Bulls and Bucks. For the record, I know that Salmons was never an all-star but had all-star like performances during the 2nd half of the season, his first season with both teams.

yea, one thing I learned, you don't have to be voted and all star to perform like one.. Salmons is that type of guy you like to have on your team.. a guy who can score and at times defend...he can start, come off the bench, sort of a utility guy with starter skills...

Had we had a pick or another young player to throw in the fold, we probably could use shumpert to get in such a deal, but we don't have that.. which is why I hate giving up multiple youngings and picks in a deal.. I don't like the idea of moving shumpert in such a deal because ideally I would like to add turner to a team with shumpert on it... both guys can defend, and you could put a unit on the floor with two very good defenders at the wing position. I just love having good, athletic wing defenders... not sure if the hawks would want any parts of tyson chandler.. not with the new GM ferry in cost cutting mode...

Very good points. I like Turner for all the reasons you mentioned. He is clearly not a finished product but IMO is an immediate upgrade over anything we currently have at the 3 spot and probably as our primary ballhandler. It'd be difficult to get him, no doubt, but we just need to be creative with a 3rd team. I agree that ATL will probably not want Chandler but maybe we could get something for him elsewhere and work it into the framework of the NYK-ATL-PHI deal. Most suspect we can dump Chandler on Portland; maybe we could bring back JJ Hickson at a market appropriate price and 2nd round picks to entice either team.

the sad thing is, I think we are stuck with chandler, his 14 mil deal is just hard to swallow, if we do move him, it will be for a player probably on the decline with a huge contract as well, and not a situation that would help us accomplish what we want here.....

I disagree somewhat. There are a few teams with cap space that will undoubtedly find themselves with no one to spend it on. Considering the dearth of talented centers in the league, I could see one of those teams rolling the dice on Chandler. Most centers that are capable of starting, make about 8 figures anyway, so I think most teams would be willing to accept him at that pricetag knowing what the market is.

AND WHAT do you think those teams are willing to to give up? notice what I said, I never indicated a team would not take him, but not for what we would need or want in return...

Portland needs a center, and has the cap space when some to spare.

A piece coming back to NY would have to involve a third team, as Portland doesn't have alot of players under contract.

ok, so a third team is involved if portland doesn't have the pieces to give up, then how does having a third team help? you are basically just trying to dump chandler on a team that has nothing to give in return while asking a 3rd team to jump in just for the hell of it....

why would portland touch chandler's 14 mil? if they need a center there are other options, cheaper they can explore...

We wont get plus value back for Chandler. We are stuck with this team. If we had are draft picks I would clean house this offseason but we dont.

that is what I am saying... no one is going to give anything of value back for chandler... and I agree, if we had draft picks I would take an enema to this team, but read the threads, you don't win building through the draft.. go figure... smh

Hopefully someday someone other than San Antonio will be able to win a title after building successfully thru the draft and you can say "told you so."

you need to tune into something else other than MSG sometimes

and you are right no team other than the spurs has ever won going through the draft, they all traded away players and picks and patched their way to a ring.. I forgot

wade wasn't drafted by miami

dirk wasn't drafted by the mavs

pierce and rondo, perkins were not drafted by the celtics..

and I also forgot those teams didn't win titles either..

NardDogNation wrote:We probably wouldn't be much closer to a title but I think the aforementioned roster would give teams a run for their money. I like the fact that we get younger, lengthier and more athletic while having done little to compromise our ability to shoot the long ball. I also really like the fact that we now would be capable of getting out on the break because of Igoudala and Josh Smith. I think one of the contributors to our offense stagnating last season was the result of us playing a too halfcourt-centric offense, while using a small lineup. I'd also like the fact that we'd have a crop of young players to develop on the backend of the roster, which would make something like this worthwild.

As for Josh Smith, I've soured on him in recent months but he is a very good and versatile defender. Aside from maybe Andrei Kirilenko, Josh is the only guy in the league that could allow Carmelo to take the weaker of either forward on defense, without us being at a disadvantage. The problem with Smith is on the offensive end where he has little to no offensive moves. He's a pretty good passer but his self-inflated opinion of his potency on offense could make him a problem child.

that and woodson allowing carmelo to play iso ball will cause major problems.. I know, I lived through it here with JJ in Atlanta.. josh hated iso ball..

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:About our offseason, maybe we could do something like this...

IN THE DRAFT...
1.) Trade Tyson Chandler to the Blazers for a $14 million trade exception, along with their 39th, 40th and 45th picks.
2.) Orchestrate a wink-wink agreement with the Spurs to get their 29th pick. They'd select the player we want at 29th, and could later sign and trade both Pablo Prigioni and Chris Copeland for it as well as a $4-$5 million trade exception.

My draft would ideally look like this...
24th pick: Tony Snell
29th pick: Ricky Ledo
39th pick: Erick Green
40th pick: Mike Muscala
45th pick: Colton Iverson

FREE AGENCY...
1.) I'd sign and trade for Josh Smith, sending Iman Shumpert and Steve Novak to Phoenix with Marcin Gortat and Marcus Camby going to Atlanta (who'd also receive Zaza Pachulia). This trade would in effect eat the $4-$5 million trade exception from the Spurs deal and preserve our larger trade exception to make one more sign and trade deal.

2.) Using the $14 million trade exception, I'd sign and trade for Andre Igoudala. I doubt Denver spends big money on Igoudala given the money pinching management change, which should put him in play for us. I'm not even sure we'd need to send a player back with the talent they have behind Igoudala in Corey Brewer, Evan Fournier and Jordan Hamilton; cash incentives (aka $3 million) should be able to get it done. Remember that this is the ownership that gave away a top ten center at the time (Marcus Camby) for a 2nd round pick in 2008 that never materialized. As for Igoudala, I think a 4 year $45 million contract would work. I'd make sure that the deal would be frontloaded so that he'd only make about $5 million in 2015, to allow us to still be active on the free agent market.

3.) As for regular free agent signings, I'd pursue Aaron Brooks who was recently cut by the Rockets; I can't imagine him making much more than $2 million/yr. Anthony Morrow would also be on my radar for the minimum. To round things out, I'd resign JR Smith for $5million/yr and Kenyon Martin to a $2 million/yr deal.

TRADES

1.) I'd look to see if the Bucks would be interested in a salary dump with Ekpe Udoh. If so, I'd package James White, Earl Barron and Quentin Richardson's non-guaranteed contracts for Udoh's $3 million/yr deal.

STARTERS
Raymond Felton...PG
Andre Igoudala...SG
Carmelo Anthony...SF
Josh Smith...PF
Ekpe Udoh...C
ROTATION
Aaron Brooks...PG
Anthony Morrow..SG
JR Smith...G/F
Kenyon Martin....F/C
Amar'e Stoudemire...F/C
BENCH
Erick Green...PG
Ricky Ledo...SG
Tony Snell...G/F
Mike Muscala...PF
Colt Iverson...C

you messed up with #1 josh smith would punch both woodson and carmelo in the face after about 15 games....

Always liked Morrow

yea, he is kind of odd, can shoot lights out, has a nice stroke, has height, not a bad athlete..can't figure out why he hasn't had that breakout season yet....