callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

I am not sure that I understand your question. Melo would have lost 25 million if he left Denver as a free agent based on the new CBA. That was the amount that was reported that deron would give up if he left the nets. I disagree about Denver not moving melo someplace else. I think billy king makes a deal for melo 8 days a week. I also don't know how you suggest someone take that much less money. Melo wasn't orchestrating a deal to play with two top 5 players.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

I am not sure that I understand your question. Melo would have lost 25 million if he left Denver as a free agent based on the new CBA. That was the amount that was reported that deron would give up if he left the nets. I disagree about Denver not moving melo someplace else. I think billy king makes a deal for melo 8 days a week. I also don't know how you suggest someone take that much less money. Melo wasn't orchestrating a deal to play with two top 5 players.

where does the 25 million dollar figure come from?

why don't you acknowledge the order of magnitude issue?

why would billy king take melo for 3 months only to lose him?

all melo has to say to denver is i am signing an extension with the knicks and nobody else. could he have made this statement yes or no.

if yes, then denver is stuck... unless the nets gm says okay we will have his services for three months. what am i missing.

He also directly informed the Nets that he was accepting the team's five-year, $100 million offer, league sources said. Under NBA rules, the Nets could offer Williams a fifth season worth about $25 million while the Mavericks' offer was limited to four years.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

I am not sure that I understand your question. Melo would have lost 25 million if he left Denver as a free agent based on the new CBA. That was the amount that was reported that deron would give up if he left the nets. I disagree about Denver not moving melo someplace else. I think billy king makes a deal for melo 8 days a week. I also don't know how you suggest someone take that much less money. Melo wasn't orchestrating a deal to play with two top 5 players.

where does the 25 million dollar figure come from?

why don't you acknowledge the order of magnitude issue?

why would billy king take melo for 3 months only to lose him?

all melo has to say to denver is i am signing an extension with the knicks and nobody else. could he have made this statement yes or no.

if yes, then denver is stuck... unless the nets gm says okay we will have his services for three months. what am i missing.

Here is where the 25 million comes from:

He also directly informed the Nets that he was accepting the team's five-year, $100 million offer, league sources said. Under NBA rules, the Nets could offer Williams a fifth season worth about $25 million while the Mavericks' offer was limited to four years.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--deron-williams-agrees-to--100-million-contract-with-brooklyn-nets.html
I thought I mentioned Williams in the previous post when I said where I got that figure. I disagree about NJ or another team not trading for Melo. Maybe Denver gets less but they were moving him. He would have ended up staying where ever he was traded. The only guy that I think might give up that 25 mil to leave is D12 because his situation is so bad. But again I addressed the 25 mil in my initial response.
I am not sure what you are getting at in your order of magnitude issue. We see this situation very differently so I need some clarification on what you are getting at.

okay so the figure for melo is based on williams.

now please answer the question. could he have made this statement yes or no: "i am signing an extension with the knicks and nobody else."

There were plenty of teams willing to rent Melo and give up some value. Nuggets were trading him no matter what. Nets wanted him no matter what just like with deron Williams. Him waiting to free agency was never an option, you need to be realistic.

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

I am not sure that I understand your question. Melo would have lost 25 million if he left Denver as a free agent based on the new CBA. That was the amount that was reported that deron would give up if he left the nets. I disagree about Denver not moving melo someplace else. I think billy king makes a deal for melo 8 days a week. I also don't know how you suggest someone take that much less money. Melo wasn't orchestrating a deal to play with two top 5 players.

where does the 25 million dollar figure come from?

why don't you acknowledge the order of magnitude issue?

why would billy king take melo for 3 months only to lose him?

all melo has to say to denver is i am signing an extension with the knicks and nobody else. could he have made this statement yes or no.

if yes, then denver is stuck... unless the nets gm says okay we will have his services for three months. what am i missing.

Here is where the 25 million comes from:

He also directly informed the Nets that he was accepting the team's five-year, $100 million offer, league sources said. Under NBA rules, the Nets could offer Williams a fifth season worth about $25 million while the Mavericks' offer was limited to four years.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--deron-williams-agrees-to--100-million-contract-with-brooklyn-nets.html
I thought I mentioned Williams in the previous post when I said where I got that figure. I disagree about NJ or another team not trading for Melo. Maybe Denver gets less but they were moving him. He would have ended up staying where ever he was traded. The only guy that I think might give up that 25 mil to leave is D12 because his situation is so bad. But again I addressed the 25 mil in my initial response.
I am not sure what you are getting at in your order of magnitude issue. We see this situation very differently so I need some clarification on what you are getting at.

okay so the figure for melo is based on williams.

now please answer the question. could he have made this statement yes or no: "i am signing an extension with the knicks and nobody else."

There were plenty of teams willing to rent Melo and give up some value. Nuggets were trading him no matter what. Nets wanted him no matter what just like with deron Williams. Him waiting to free agency was never an option, you need to be realistic.

another evasion.

could he have made the statement yes or no?

i don't care about your guess about plenty of other teams renting him i care about what he could have said.

Actually he did say that thru his agent, which is exactly why he was traded here. Otherwise he would have been traded to the Nets for the package that got Dwill or to the Warriors for a package centered around Curry. Nuggets did not want to deal with us as other teams were offering more. They had no choice. But yes he could have easily gone to the Nets with or without a promise to resign.

And I am not guessing about other teams wanting him, I am simply stating what was reported the whole time leading up to it. Clearly you either don't remember or weren't paying attention which is fine. Saying Melo would be here today as a free agent is so far fetched its not even funny.

Again let me be perfectly clear, he is only a knick because he forced his way here and only here.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..