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NardDogNation wrote:

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Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.

You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.

Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.

it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.

yes, he did say that, which makes it harder to understand why he wouldn't trust them more, and shot twice as much as they did.

it's not ironic that almost every player complained about the offense.....it's too much melo.

He has never shot as many shots as this year ever in the playoffs.

Sorry to interject but I missed that..Who complained about the offense this year??

Tyson....Newsday: “I watched the tape myself and there’s open looks,” Chandler said after practice Sunday. “We have to be willing passers. You have to sacrifice yourself sometimes for the betterment of the team, for the betterment of your teammates. So when you drive in the paint, you draw, you kick it. We need to do a better job of allowing the game to dictate who takes the shots and not the individuals. “I’m not saying that anybody is doing it maliciously. I think it’s moreso a situation, etc...

Shump....."We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."

Pablo made mention in an interview, having issues finding it, but mention how the ball must be shared and how Melo likes to shoot.

Ha..Tyson after Hibbert destroyed him...I saw in an earlier interview he was calling for Hibbert to be doubled...I lost a lot of respect for Tyson not holding himself accountable but trying to deflect the blame elsewhere...

deflecting blame... melo and smiff and felton are not capable playmakers. in fact they flat out SUCK at it. if tyson doesn't touch the ball he has every right to make note of that.

i take it you like playing with dudes who never pass the ball? kooky

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

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yellowboy90 wrote:

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3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.

You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.

Nope the problem is him, guys with all around games impact the game better.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

Moot point. Guys with better supporting casts always seemingly have better all around games. George never did anything to Melo that no other team didn't do with their ability to zero in on him. And yeah, I could see how information that shreds your argument is "irrlevant" to you.

it is irrelevant because you're clinging to Denver to boost his fg% and justify the poor shooting he's had a Knick as if bad teammmates is affecting his shot going through the hoop.

37% 41% 40% is his fg% as a Knick.

This was arguably his best teammates and he shot MORE this year than ever before....while being near the bottom in accuracy as a starter.

I can't defend that because he did make a comment to that affect about this being the most talented team he's been a part of? Given that he's had to go to battle with Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins as starters though, that doesn't say much. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and right now the numbers support that these guys can't get it done offensively in the playoffs and that's before they ever heard the name Melo.

yes, he did say that, which makes it harder to understand why he wouldn't trust them more, and shot twice as much as they did.

it's not ironic that almost every player complained about the offense.....it's too much melo.

He has never shot as many shots as this year ever in the playoffs.

Sorry to interject but I missed that..Who complained about the offense this year??

Tyson....Newsday: “I watched the tape myself and there’s open looks,” Chandler said after practice Sunday. “We have to be willing passers. You have to sacrifice yourself sometimes for the betterment of the team, for the betterment of your teammates. So when you drive in the paint, you draw, you kick it. We need to do a better job of allowing the game to dictate who takes the shots and not the individuals. “I’m not saying that anybody is doing it maliciously. I think it’s moreso a situation, etc...

Shump....."We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."

Pablo made mention in an interview, having issues finding it, but mention how the ball must be shared and how Melo likes to shoot.

Ha..Tyson after Hibbert destroyed him...I saw in an earlier interview he was calling for Hibbert to be doubled...I lost a lot of respect for Tyson not holding himself accountable but trying to deflect the blame elsewhere...

deflecting blame... melo and smiff and felton are not capable playmakers. in fact they flat out SUCK at it. if tyson doesn't touch the ball he has every right to make note of that.

i take it you like playing with dudes who never pass the ball? kooky

Well, they created around the same number of FGAs per 36 as Chris Paul got him in the playoffs.

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

Here is the deal. No one knows what the future holds for Paul George or his "body of work." His body of work could last ten years or ten days. What is crystal clear is that he is going toe to toe with quite possibly the best player of the past decade. It is fun to watch.

Playing within the context of a balanced team that has size, speed and yoots, George has the benefit of not being solely responsible for the franchise as our nearly beloved employee number 7. There is something about his quiet swag, and playing posture, that reminds me of George Gervin. Expressionless, for the most part. He is another level of cool. Not Clyde Cool, but cool enough.

Just in case, the thread was labelled "Scary Version" to cushion the mild electric jolt of the title.

Dude can play.

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Jmpasq wrote:A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

A healthy carmelo is the best volume scorer on the floor.. not best player... and I am glad people are seeing how good the pacers are.. I guess me and a few others weren't so crazy agreeing with granger about being the second best team in the east...

So become a pacers fan! Anyone that even watches basketball knows "volume scorer" is as back-handed a compliment as they come. How can you watch a team this way, wallowing in self-pity saying "we suck" "we suck" year after year while you put all of our opponents on a pedestal? How is that enjoyable for you? I don't mean for this to be an attack, I'm actually curious how being a Knicks fan is fun for you in any way. Melo is an extremely flawed player, I understand your distaste for him, but you actually derive joy from watching teams clobber the Knicks, it's very weird.

I am a NBA fan, a fan of basketball.. is that ok with you..... and who is wallowing in self pity? LOL.. I have watched this team suck for so many years.... I thought we were on the right path with walsh.. dolan messed that up, so as a fan I will just wait until this carmelo/JR smith era passes.... I don't enjoy watching them get clobbered, but I do enjoy watching franchises do things the right way, it gives me hope one day...

Again, what "right" path was Walsh on? Would you prefer to see a team centered around Amar'e Stoudemire and some of the bum players he acquired (Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, Anthony Randolph, Toney Douglas possibly Timofey Mozgov)? That wouldn't get us very far today. You also can't even use the "cap space" argument because every star player that changed teams since 2010 has been TRADED, which would have similarly gorged our team of the assets we lost in the Melo deal.

And I still don't understand this "Dolan made him do it..." nonsense. So everything that was "good" that happened to the team is solely attributed to Walsh but everything "bad" Donnie did "Dolan made him do it"? Its stuff like this that gives people the impression that you're not a Knick fan; because all you do is make convenient excuses for not liking the team which holds no real truth and maintain without ever really being able to defend the position. I'm not attacking you btw; just giving you my unbiased impression as someone that has no real history with you.

For the record, I actually think Paul George has rivaled Melo this playoffs and has all the tools/skills to be the better player moving forward. I wish the Knicks would've went the direction of building an actual team around guys like him too but Donnie Walsh consistently traded our picks (Jordan Hill, our 2011 pick, the 2012 swap, and a host of second round picks), took certain players too high in the draft(Gallo and Douglas, or traded away our assets that could net picks for bull**** (David Lee, Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph and Nate Robinson). Imagine if he had the foresight to have traded David Lee to the Warriors on draft night/beforehand and gotten the 6th pick in the 2010 draft. We could've walked away with either Paul George OR Greg Monroe, who are both upgrades over Lee today but foresight/ingenuity was something Walsh had little of during his time here in New York.

I agree with almost everything you say but if Paul George was playing around a bunch of dudes we had on our team he would not have florished like he did with the Pacers. He have a real center, he has a real big power foward. It's like the team he plays with is making him better. They remind me of that Pistons team who won it all several years back.

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holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Melo dropped 39 on George and gets no respect around here...He was also getting by George in other games but ran into Hibbert..Lots of no calls there...

Melo also went 10-28fg for 36 PACENT against George and shot 43 PACENT overall in the series...held to 42 PACENT or lower in 4 of the 6 gms....law of averages rule out. Also if you count his 39pt performance as glorious..... then what does that say about the extent of his injury?

Melo actually shot 15-29 from the field that game, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. A quick trip to http://www.nba.com/playerfile/carmelo_anthony/ would clarify that pretty quickly. Melo actually did shoot 43% for the series but your boy toy, Paul George, actually shot 39% from the field; an inconvenient truth for you I would imagine.

George does more than just shoot. I've already stated in the past his offense needs to improve...but you have to acknowledge other things...such as

8reb/5ast/2stl across 2 series and as of now ECF his offense is coming along against one of the best defenders in all of basketball....his FG%/PPG/3pt% is up, while still playing solid D on that same great player.

He's a solid defender and that's about the only aspect of the game that I can say he's better than Melo at, at the moment. Prior to the 2 games against the Heat though, Melo was thoroughly outperforming him.

And please, when you're wrong have the humility to acknowledge it and not deflect. I wasn't "acknowledging other things", just pointing out how you either were lying or made a human error. You were the one trying to dismiss Melo on a single point; I, however, was not trying to build a case for him on that single point.

For what Melo is known for he failed in the playoffs and has failed as a Knick...it centers only around SCORING....

As for George he is known to be an ALL-AROUND PLAYER and he is succeeding and has this post-season

You need to quit while you can the homers are kicking you but with truths.

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

Good post...I see chased juice, trueblue 34g out of the thread with this one.......

NYKMentality made some one sided pts but we all know George is defining his legacy on both sides of the ball in the playoffs. You also have to blame the posters who started those Melo defines his legacy threads...they were premature and inappropriate in nature(series to series), especially since NYKMentality wants to cite more body of work from said players. Their Legacy would be in comparison to what they've done in their career and George is definitely defining himself in this season's playoffs compared to his previous yrs.

George is playing right now, playing extremely well... holding his own against the best in the biz, but Melo is working on scheduling a bout in August against Andre Ward....

Listen, no doubt George is an exceptional all around talent and will continue to improve. To piggy back on your own point, don't you think this very thread is very premature considering that George is only in his 3rd year and just made his first allstar team? Why cant we wait until George has a more complete body of work before we start saying he's better than a 9 year vet....

he is better than melo because he is in supreme shape and defends the best player on the other team. melo has NEVER been in supreme shape and always has someone else take the toughest defensive assignment. he is a liability in the playoffs. fool's gold players almost always don't play defense and almost always fall short in the playmaking category. that is what melo is all about... sub-par conditioning, sub-par defense, sub-par playmaking. max money + assets to acquire him too. oh joy!

So in the 12th game of the second season, after a grueling regular season, Melo drops 39 with 7 rebs (while injured mind you) and you are claiming that he is not in shape? How do you come to the conclusion that he is not in shape? I've seen Melo in person and you'd be surprised at how thin he actually is....Plenty of hall of fame players never guarding the best offensive players on the other-side of the ball. Magic and Bird never guarded each other and there are plenty of other examples.....

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

Good post...I see chased juice, trueblue 34g out of the thread with this one.......

NYKMentality made some one sided pts but we all know George is defining his legacy on both sides of the ball in the playoffs. You also have to blame the posters who started those Melo defines his legacy threads...they were premature and inappropriate in nature(series to series), especially since NYKMentality wants to cite more body of work from said players. Their Legacy would be in comparison to what they've done in their career and George is definitely defining himself in this season's playoffs compared to his previous yrs.

George is playing right now, playing extremely well... holding his own against the best in the biz, but Melo is working on scheduling a bout in August against Andre Ward....

Listen, no doubt George is an exceptional all around talent and will continue to improve. To piggy back on your own point, don't you think this very thread is very premature considering that George is only in his 3rd year and just made his first allstar team? Why cant we wait until George has a more complete body of work before we start saying he's better than a 9 year vet....

he is better than melo because he is in supreme shape and defends the best player on the other team. melo has NEVER been in supreme shape and always has someone else take the toughest defensive assignment. he is a liability in the playoffs. fool's gold players almost always don't play defense and almost always fall short in the playmaking category. that is what melo is all about... sub-par conditioning, sub-par defense, sub-par playmaking. max money + assets to acquire him too. oh joy!

So in the 12th game of the second season, after a grueling regular season, Melo drops 39 with 7 rebs (while injured mind you) and you are claiming that he is not in shape? How do you come to the conclusion that he is not in shape? I've seen Melo in person and you'd be surprised at how thin he actually is....Plenty of hall of fame players never guarding the best offensive players on the other-side of the ball. Magic and Bird never guarded each other and there are plenty of other examples.....

when the fight is 12 rounds you train for 15 rounds. he faded badly in the 4th quarters. you conveniently left that out.

additionally, it's a cumulative issue with him. he has proven repeatedly that he can't make others around him better so he creates a vicious cycle where the team increasingly relies on him over the course of the game as well as over the course of the season. trouble is he isn't that resourceful. one-trick pony.

it's mind-boggling how you don't understand this.

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

Good post...I see chased juice, trueblue 34g out of the thread with this one.......

NYKMentality made some one sided pts but we all know George is defining his legacy on both sides of the ball in the playoffs. You also have to blame the posters who started those Melo defines his legacy threads...they were premature and inappropriate in nature(series to series), especially since NYKMentality wants to cite more body of work from said players. Their Legacy would be in comparison to what they've done in their career and George is definitely defining himself in this season's playoffs compared to his previous yrs.

George is playing right now, playing extremely well... holding his own against the best in the biz, but Melo is working on scheduling a bout in August against Andre Ward....

Listen, no doubt George is an exceptional all around talent and will continue to improve. To piggy back on your own point, don't you think this very thread is very premature considering that George is only in his 3rd year and just made his first allstar team? Why cant we wait until George has a more complete body of work before we start saying he's better than a 9 year vet....

he is better than melo because he is in supreme shape and defends the best player on the other team. melo has NEVER been in supreme shape and always has someone else take the toughest defensive assignment. he is a liability in the playoffs. fool's gold players almost always don't play defense and almost always fall short in the playmaking category. that is what melo is all about... sub-par conditioning, sub-par defense, sub-par playmaking. max money + assets to acquire him too. oh joy!

So in the 12th game of the second season, after a grueling regular season, Melo drops 39 with 7 rebs (while injured mind you) and you are claiming that he is not in shape? How do you come to the conclusion that he is not in shape? I've seen Melo in person and you'd be surprised at how thin he actually is....Plenty of hall of fame players never guarding the best offensive players on the other-side of the ball. Magic and Bird never guarded each other and there are plenty of other examples.....

when the fight is 12 rounds you train for 15 rounds. he faded badly in the 4th quarters. you conveniently left that out.

additionally, it's a cumulative issue with him. he has proven repeatedly that he can't make others around him better so he creates a vicious cycle where the team increasingly relies on him over the course of the game as well as over the course of the season. trouble is he isn't that resourceful. one-trick pony.

it's mind-boggling how you don't understand this.

when the fight is 12 rounds you train for 15 rounds. he faded badly in the 4th quarters. you conveniently left that out.

Nah, I purposely left it out because I figured you'd leach onto that comment like a life saver.....

So, does this mean that Durant is not in supreme shape and faded badly down the stretch?

additionally, it's a cumulative issue with him. he has proven repeatedly that he can't make others around him better so he creates a vicious cycle where the team increasingly relies on him over the course of the game as well as over the course of the season. trouble is he isn't that resourceful. one-trick pony.

This vid also speaks to some of your comments above. Did you not see a team increasingly relying on Durant down the stretch? Did you not see him waving guys off to go one-on-one and take tough contested shot after tough contested shot? Did he average a few more assists than Melo did? Absolutely, but in the end, he and Melo are both at a bar watching the NBA's version of the final 4 in HD. The Durant we saw vs. Memphis is the Melo we've been seeing for years in the playoffs with the exception of '09. Since he's been here, Melo's been the lone reliable scoring threat in the playoffs. Without Westbrook, that Thunder team reminded me of our very own '12-'13 Knicks

*DISCLAiMER: No I'm Not Saying That Melo Is A Better Player Than Durant. Just Making A Point!!!!!*

why can't you demonstrate some intellectual honesty by (1) just looking at anthony's game on its own and (2) if you insist on bringing up a comparison then at least make it apples to apples.

ps i have to say by looking at that video it looks like vegas got to durant.

knickscity wrote:i dont even see what the comparison is.

Melo didn't have an efficient playoff run at all, just a game or two.

It literally looked like a spirit took Durants game from him in the last two....he was efficient as hell up until the last two.

it looks to me like durant is throwing the game-- you don't hit the back of the rim when you tired. hard to imagine but there you go.

dk7th wrote:
why can't you demonstrate some intellectual honesty by (1) just looking at anthony's game on its own and (2) if you insist on bringing up a comparison then at least make it apples to apples.
ps i have to say by looking at that video it looks like vegas got to durant.

Intellectual honesty? Funny coming from you since every time Melo's name is mentioned on this board you go on emotional rants and spell out all reasons why you dont like Melo as a player regardless of how specific the thread title is.

(1) With that said, here is some honesty, Melo is and always was an elite scorer. We all knew this the moment he put on the blue and orange, yet some of you insists that he change his game and play like Lebron. Thats not being honest. I guess Melo could be a better playmaker similar to the way George Gervin could have been a better playmaker, similar to the way Dominique could have been a better playmaker, similar to the way Bernard could have been a better playmaker. Those players, similar to Melo are what they are, Scorer's......Now its up to management to add the correct pieces to this team that will compliment his skillset....Melo isn't an elite playmaker, fine, get someone in here who is for him to play with....

(2)This is an apples to apples comparison because Durant, like Melo, didn't have a legit 2nd option without Westbrook. It had nothing to do with not being in shape, but everything to do with the defense being able to key-in on Melo/Durant and build a wall/zone in the paint. Even Lebron turned it over twice down the stretch while Wade limped around and Bosh hung out by the 3 point line.

Elaborate on the Vegas line....Not sure what you mean there...