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playa2
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5/25/2013  1:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:I would think handling a pass in traffic and handling a pass at the foul line are two different scenarios. One has a lot of bodies around and the other leaves you alone and free to shoot, Hibbert wasn't gonna comer out and rush at him at the foul line.
Maybe its just me but every time Tyson ends up with the ball at the top of the key on offense I am terrified that he is going to turn it over. It happens just often enough that I expect it to happen as soon as the trap comes.

You are correct he does look that way, because he's not a playmaker, at best all he can do is knock down a foul line jumper.

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5/25/2013  1:40 PM
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playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane..

That too would have moved Hibbert out of his comfort zone on defense.

He had a very hard time handling the ball in the post season. He said his neck was fine but I question that. He couldn't hold onto rebounds, bobbled passes and the ball seemed to be exceptionally slippery in the paint for him. Maybe he puts that wrinkle into his game next year when he is healthy but I don't think that was there for him this post season.

What do you mean it wasn't there ?

He didn't take the shot, he was constantly open for a foul line jumper in the series.
But because of the knicks not just allowing the open man to shoot whomever it is , he doesn't feel comfortable as a part of the team on offense in the area of shooting the ball.

This is just silly. When have you ever seen Tyson taking any significant number of jump shots in his entire career? It's never been part of his game.

Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane.

Do your homework, Woody doesn't ask him to do that, but that doesn't mean he can't.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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5/25/2013  1:45 PM
playa2 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane..

That too would have moved Hibbert out of his comfort zone on defense.

He had a very hard time handling the ball in the post season. He said his neck was fine but I question that. He couldn't hold onto rebounds, bobbled passes and the ball seemed to be exceptionally slippery in the paint for him. Maybe he puts that wrinkle into his game next year when he is healthy but I don't think that was there for him this post season.

What do you mean it wasn't there ?

He didn't take the shot, he was constantly open for a foul line jumper in the series.
But because of the knicks not just allowing the open man to shoot whomever it is , he doesn't feel comfortable as a part of the team on offense in the area of shooting the ball.

This is just silly. When have you ever seen Tyson taking any significant number of jump shots in his entire career? It's never been part of his game.

Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane.

Do your homework, Woody doesn't ask him to do that, but that doesn't mean he can't.

What if he did? Also, that number would probably come down. What is his career avg in that area? Quite frankly, there are so many centers who can do what Tyson do offensively and have the nerves to shoot Js.
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5/25/2013  1:52 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane..

That too would have moved Hibbert out of his comfort zone on defense.

He had a very hard time handling the ball in the post season. He said his neck was fine but I question that. He couldn't hold onto rebounds, bobbled passes and the ball seemed to be exceptionally slippery in the paint for him. Maybe he puts that wrinkle into his game next year when he is healthy but I don't think that was there for him this post season.

What do you mean it wasn't there ?

He didn't take the shot, he was constantly open for a foul line jumper in the series.
But because of the knicks not just allowing the open man to shoot whomever it is , he doesn't feel comfortable as a part of the team on offense in the area of shooting the ball.

This is just silly. When have you ever seen Tyson taking any significant number of jump shots in his entire career? It's never been part of his game.

Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane.

Do your homework, Woody doesn't ask him to do that, but that doesn't mean he can't.

What if he did? Also, that number would probably come down. What is his career avg in that area? Quite frankly, there are so many centers who can do what Tyson do offensively and have the nerves to shoot Js.


I dont know about the "so many" part, but even if that were the case, those centers are not available, so thats that.

Chndler should be used in the offense though, which i think is the posters point.

If he can knock down jumpers and erform spin moves on a rare ocassion, it defies logic to think he wouldn't be somewhat consistent if done regularly.
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5/25/2013  1:52 PM
If you notice we have some very strong personalities on this team and they demand the ball most of the time.

He took most of his jump shots when Melo was out, because he probably felt he needed to shoot more when he was open.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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5/25/2013  2:07 PM
playa2 wrote:If you notice we have some very strong personalities on this team and they demand the ball most of the time.

He took most of his jump shots when Melo was out, because he probably felt he needed to shoot more when he was open.


The problem is he doesn't actively demand the ball unless he decides to roll to the basket. Look at Noah, he actually will seal his man, call for the ball to shoot, or shoot when the clock is running down and he can't find anyone. I know part of that is that Noah is a better playmaker and has a understanding of spacing and passing.
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5/25/2013  2:13 PM

Look what happen when Copeland plays meaningful minutes vs Pacers

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AtuIConZqSWsH6VJWLA7.k3LPKB4?gid=2013041418

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5/25/2013  10:18 PM

playa2 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane..

That too would have moved Hibbert out of his comfort zone on defense.

He had a very hard time handling the ball in the post season. He said his neck was fine but I question that. He couldn't hold onto rebounds, bobbled passes and the ball seemed to be exceptionally slippery in the paint for him. Maybe he puts that wrinkle into his game next year when he is healthy but I don't think that was there for him this post season.

What do you mean it wasn't there ?

He didn't take the shot, he was constantly open for a foul line jumper in the series.
But because of the knicks not just allowing the open man to shoot whomever it is , he doesn't feel comfortable as a part of the team on offense in the area of shooting the ball.

This is just silly. When have you ever seen Tyson taking any significant number of jump shots in his entire career? It's never been part of his game.

Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane.

Do your homework, Woody doesn't ask him to do that, but that doesn't mean he can't.

Huge sample size. Let me guess you are a statistician right? At that rate he might be better than NOwitzki! Holy crap, we've been sitting on a gold mine all these years!
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5/25/2013  10:22 PM
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nykshaknbake wrote:
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nykshaknbake wrote:Cope would have eaten him alive. Shut him down and dropped 30 himself. Even if he didn't stop him and Hibbert dunked everytime down it wouldn't matter because by Hibbert dunking it PREVENTS Indiana from hitting 3s. Better to give up a sure 2 than have a team shoot a three. This is what I have learned from this thread.
holfresh wrote:Spo just got out coached!!!..Hibbert just dropped 29 pts 10 boards on Bosh..I wonder what he would do against Novak and Copeland...
Yeah cope would have changed everything. And the Pacers aren't a post up team they hit threes right? Cope dropped 30 when he played 40+ and the Hawks sat their starters so going against the Pacers in the conference semis would be easy for him to drop 30. Woodson is such a dumb bunny. He had 30+Cope waiting to beat Hibbert and the Pacers. Imagine what a championship winning coach like Spo could do with Cope on his team.

That's right! They beat Miami with their deadly 3 point shooting. What you say? Hibbert had 29 pts and none of them was a 3? Well I'm sure Cope and Melo at the 4 or 5 woulda stopped him.

I think we were both being sarcastic. I didn't catch the sarcasm in your earlier post. 3g, dk, etc are prolifically posting anti-knick sh@t and I have become a bit defensive.

That nugget is from Nixluva or playa.
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5/25/2013  10:36 PM
playa2 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane..

That too would have moved Hibbert out of his comfort zone on defense.

He had a very hard time handling the ball in the post season. He said his neck was fine but I question that. He couldn't hold onto rebounds, bobbled passes and the ball seemed to be exceptionally slippery in the paint for him. Maybe he puts that wrinkle into his game next year when he is healthy but I don't think that was there for him this post season.

What do you mean it wasn't there ?

He didn't take the shot, he was constantly open for a foul line jumper in the series.
But because of the knicks not just allowing the open man to shoot whomever it is , he doesn't feel comfortable as a part of the team on offense in the area of shooting the ball.

This is just silly. When have you ever seen Tyson taking any significant number of jump shots in his entire career? It's never been part of his game.

Chandler was was 7-14 for 50% on mid-range jumpers this past season.

The coach has to see he's shooting 50% on mid-range jumpers and tell him he has to square up and shoot the ball more often instead of clogging up the lane.

Do your homework, Woody doesn't ask him to do that, but that doesn't mean he can't.

He played 2100 minutes, and took 14 mid range jumpers. It isn't a part of his game. Maybe he could make it that but at this point it isn't there. Maybe in the exit interviews after Woodson speaks to him about practicing catching, he might ask him to work on his jumper in the offseason.
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5/27/2013  2:39 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
playa2 wrote:If you notice we have some very strong personalities on this team and they demand the ball most of the time.

He took most of his jump shots when Melo was out, because he probably felt he needed to shoot more when he was open.


The problem is he doesn't actively demand the ball unless he decides to roll to the basket. Look at Noah, he actually will seal his man, call for the ball to shoot, or shoot when the clock is running down and he can't find anyone. I know part of that is that Noah is a better playmaker and has a understanding of spacing and passing.

Noah isn't worried about strong personalities on their team it's pass 1st for everyone.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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5/27/2013  2:49 PM
playa2 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
playa2 wrote:If you notice we have some very strong personalities on this team and they demand the ball most of the time.

He took most of his jump shots when Melo was out, because he probably felt he needed to shoot more when he was open.


The problem is he doesn't actively demand the ball unless he decides to roll to the basket. Look at Noah, he actually will seal his man, call for the ball to shoot, or shoot when the clock is running down and he can't find anyone. I know part of that is that Noah is a better playmaker and has a understanding of spacing and passing.

Noah isn't worried about strong personalities on their team it's pass 1st for everyone.

Yeah but Cope and Amare seal their man and call for the ball. It isn't a part of Tyson's game for whatever reason. It would be nice if he developed it. I could be wrong but are you suggesting that a guy who never developed that part of his offensive game is worried about what his teammates will think if he seals his man and calls for the ball? Personally I think Tyson is supremely confident and after his playoff comments I think he may overvalue himself.
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5/27/2013  6:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/27/2013  6:30 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
playa2 wrote:If you notice we have some very strong personalities on this team and they demand the ball most of the time.

He took most of his jump shots when Melo was out, because he probably felt he needed to shoot more when he was open.


The problem is he doesn't actively demand the ball unless he decides to roll to the basket. Look at Noah, he actually will seal his man, call for the ball to shoot, or shoot when the clock is running down and he can't find anyone. I know part of that is that Noah is a better playmaker and has a understanding of spacing and passing.

Noah isn't worried about strong personalities on their team it's pass 1st for everyone.

Yeah but Cope and Amare seal their man and call for the ball. It isn't a part of Tyson's game for whatever reason. It would be nice if he developed it. I could be wrong but are you suggesting that a guy who never developed that part of his offensive game is worried about what his teammates will think if he seals his man and calls for the ball? Personally I think Tyson is supremely confident and after his playoff comments I think he may overvalue himself.

Personally I don't think Tyson game is about sealing his man with his back to the basket, I think he's an alley oop and put back guy who can shoot the foul line jumper when open.

He just jumped over people in Highschool and never went to college to learn big man skills.

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5/28/2013  7:47 AM
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:

Now it comes out from the opponent , what I have said all along the Knicks were the better team but were out coached.

From Indiana coach Frank Vogel:

"They had a more intelligent plan against Roy Hibbert than New York did and we've got to adjust to it," Vogel told reporters with the Pacers in Miami. "It was effective [Wednesday night] and we've got to adjust to it."

It's unclear if Vogel meant it as a direct criticism of Woodson, but it's hard to misinterpret his words: he was ripping the Knicks' offensive scheme against Hibbert.

The Knicks allowed Hibbert to camp out in the paint on defense in their second-round series. In doing so, Hibbert made life difficult for the Knicks at the rim. He had 19 blocks in six games and was able to help the Pacers control the boards (Indiana outrebounded New York by 10.4 rebounds per game).

Woodson at times drew Hibbert from the paint by placing shooters such as Chris Copeland on the floor, but he did not use that strategy often.
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How could we as fans see and know this but a GUY GETTING PAID MILLIONS NOT ?

Vogel wasn't the only observer to critique Woodson's coaching performance against the Pacers.


Woodson also took criticism for failing to play Copeland until the final two games of the series. Woodson also went with a bigger starting lineup in Game 4 of the series; the move backfired, as the Knicks lost by 11 and were crushed on the boards.

"I really haven't heard the criticism because I don't read it that much," Woodson said on Monday. "I'm my own biggest critic."
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HE NEEDS TO READ ULTIMATEKNICKS !

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/44988/frank-vogel-criticizes-woodson


SERIOUSLY... someone please take this dudes keyboard away... please!!

Playa the better team won..... STOP IT.....

martin, how can we continue to let someone create the same thread over and over again.. seriously.. this is spamming the board...

Not sure what's wrong with this posting TK? I even agree with some of it...our coach has issues and the "better team won."

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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