TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

Im talking about how you went around the boards after we were eliminated killing Melo for specifically his shooting percentage. Now that info has come out that could explain his poor shooting, cant you let up a little?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

Both got slammed for their performances. Yet Shump is being big upped for trying to tell it like it is referring to accountability. Part of that involves being true to injury and adjusting your game accordingly for the betterment of the team and not for personal guts and glory.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

So you felt that building around Amare was the better option???

yes, if by that you mean wait for the right player and that means a complete player and if stat is the middle of it that means a true point guard not some scrubby tweener who needs a kidd or a prigioni to be out there with him. lin fell into our laps but was sent packing because dolan's skin is too thin and his pockets are not deep when he gets shown up by a superior basketball guy. lin is a better orchestrator than felton, and would have allowed shumpert to be in the backcourt.

i am not saying things would have broken our way just like this, but a team of shumpert, lin, gallinari, mozgov, fields, and stoudemire would have been promising, entertaining-- and young.

I have never seem a collective group of people so wrapped up in one mediocre player as many here are wrapped up in Gallo..I'm just amazed that two years removed we are still debating the virtues of trading Gallo...Dude is averaging a career high of 16 pts per game and really doesn't stand out at anything else...

That's odd - I haven't seen anyone wrapped up in Gallo. Loss of trade assets and cap space? Yes.

Well if folks were worried about cap space and assets, they wouldn't still be talking about building around Amare this very day would they???...

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

First of all, theres no reason to insult me. I did not insult you in anyway so have the same respect. The obvious answer to your question is that he was being relied on to score more. No one else made sh-

Does it even matter? Unless I outright bash him, you're gonna call it an excuse.

No I wouldn't so don't assume what I would or wouldn't say based on what you would say. Also please stop telling me to "ease up"...

You have your opinion I have mine...this isn't a Melo bash thing either TeamBall. I'm tired of you trying to make it seem this way in particular with me.

I used to say the same things when fans made excuses for Toney Douglas bad shooting performances but then cited his neck and back issues(which he had off-season surgery one yr due to injury). My reasoning was the same then...maybe he should have learned how to play more like a point guard(George Hill) than shooting guard(Barbosa)....I don't care what the coach may ask of you, you have discern what's best for the team and what you're asked to do. A cerebral player knows how to mix both when needed.

Melo shot the ball primarily because that's what Melo likes to do. Woody can take some blame too, maybe he shouldn't have played him as many minutes if he had such a serious injury.

I'm not trying to change your opinion. I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me. It's just that anytime I or someone else has said anything positive about melo you have disagreed with it. Maybe we'll just not discuss him.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur ****ing moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Melo and JR's supporting cast shot in the mid 40s for the post-season.

except for Shump and Felton, i'm sorry but i saw no one able to carry part of the scoring load for long stretches or for several games ...

i'm not saying Melo doesn't have to pass but some context would be welcome please ... he had no reliable second scorer in these playoffs because of Stat injuries, JR not able to play like he did to win the 6th man award (for several reasons that i won't discuss here) ... Felton was this guy for the Boston series, but was not the same for several games against the Pacers, Shump provided some for some games, and Copeland a little bit too

that put more pressure on Melo to score ... and shoot more

Except for Shump and Felton? That's already almost 25 shots a game!
Durant didn't have a "reliable 2nd scorer" either. Yet he averaged over six assists a game. As long as you have NBA-level teammates, that's just a BS excuse.

so you say that Felton should have take more shots in game 6 where he was 0-7 or Shump in some other games where he was at low percentages ...

i repeat myself, i think Melo can take less shots, but the Knicks in general under performed against Indy and this blurs the results and statistics

what was the shoot percentage of OKC versus Memphis (other players than Durant), in comparisons to the Knicks versus Pacers (without Melo) ... this is a genuine question, I don't know the answer
does this affect the assists of Durant versus Melo ? I mean it is easier to record assist when your teammates score ...

just wondering

As incredible as it might sound (and I couldn't have even made up data this ridiculous), Durant's supporting cast shot .390 and he had 7 assists a game. Melo's supporting cast shot .400 and he had 1 assist a game.

Ok so there is clear room for improvement, and I'm not only thinking Melo but this whole Knicks team

I'm a believer and will look forward with a wait and see attitude

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..

Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh

+100000000000

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

So you felt that building around Amare was the better option???

yes, if by that you mean wait for the right player and that means a complete player and if stat is the middle of it that means a true point guard not some scrubby tweener who needs a kidd or a prigioni to be out there with him. lin fell into our laps but was sent packing because dolan's skin is too thin and his pockets are not deep when he gets shown up by a superior basketball guy. lin is a better orchestrator than felton, and would have allowed shumpert to be in the backcourt.

i am not saying things would have broken our way just like this, but a team of shumpert, lin, gallinari, mozgov, fields, and stoudemire would have been promising, entertaining-- and young.

So the fact that Amare hasn't played consistent basketball in two years hasn't detered your point of view??..By the way. winning basketball is entertaining...This is a lottery team which may be just your plan...

i didn't suffer through two solid years of roster flush to watch half of one season, where-- by the way-- the knicks would have achieved a 7th or 8th seed, only to have an overrated non-franchise type player brought in and yank the team off of its rails. you may not have the patience for a genuine rebuild but there are a significant number of fans who were primed for just that.

you're an addict and the substance you abuse is zekadolanomelophyl, formerly known as zekadolanomarburol.

zdm's main effect is it gives you the feeling of hope and relevance for 6 months and it causes hallucination where you see a fool's gold player as a franchise legend. when you come out of your stupor you say "hey it was fun while it lasted" and start scheming around july to score your next fix.

yes amare was going to eventually break down and i was fine with that. had he had a genuine point guard to finish on pick and rolls with it would have preserved his body but that's why walsh signed felton to an audition contract of two years on the cheap. stat's half a season of hero ball was sad, what with his bulling into 2 or 3 defenders over and over again, never finding the open man. gee where have i seen that before? oh yeah carmelo anthony did the same exact thing.

i waited for two years just to get to a zero point from which to have a fresh start. this after ten years of horror. i was willing to give walsh another two or three years trying to build a team that i would be proud of, that i would enjoy watching, and who i would find it easy to root for.

and gallinari is by no means an "average player." in fact for the effect he has on the game he is a bargain. the nuggets struggled without him both in the regular season and in the playoffs. he has a positive net effect on both sides of the ball, which is actually quite rare.

that you can't appreciate gallinari's value is a shame. below is an article that is a real eye-opener about him.

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/1/12/3866818/inside-the-numbers-danilo-gallinari-denver-nuggets

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

So you felt that building around Amare was the better option???

yes, if by that you mean wait for the right player and that means a complete player and if stat is the middle of it that means a true point guard not some scrubby tweener who needs a kidd or a prigioni to be out there with him. lin fell into our laps but was sent packing because dolan's skin is too thin and his pockets are not deep when he gets shown up by a superior basketball guy. lin is a better orchestrator than felton, and would have allowed shumpert to be in the backcourt.

i am not saying things would have broken our way just like this, but a team of shumpert, lin, gallinari, mozgov, fields, and stoudemire would have been promising, entertaining-- and young.

So the fact that Amare hasn't played consistent basketball in two years hasn't detered your point of view??..By the way. winning basketball is entertaining...This is a lottery team which may be just your plan...

i didn't suffer through two solid years of roster flush to watch half of one season, where-- by the way-- the knicks would have achieved a 7th or 8th seed, only to have an overrated non-franchise type player brought in and yank the team off of its rails. you may not have the patience for a genuine rebuild but there are a significant number of fans who were primed for just that.

you're an addict and the substance you abuse is zekadolanomelophyl, formerly known as zekadolanomarburol.

zdm's main effect is it gives you the feeling of hope and relevance for 6 months and it causes hallucination where you see a fool's gold player as a franchise legend. when you come out of your stupor you say "hey it was fun while it lasted" and start scheming around july to score your next fix.

yes amare was going to eventually break down and i was fine with that. had he had a genuine point guard to finish on pick and rolls with it would have preserved his body but that's why walsh signed felton to an audition contract of two years on the cheap. stat's half a season of hero ball was sad, what with his bulling into 2 or 3 defenders over and over again, never finding the open man. gee where have i seen that before? oh yeah carmelo anthony did the same exact thing.

i waited for two years just to get to a zero point from which to have a fresh start. this after ten years of horror. i was willing to give walsh another two or three years trying to build a team that i would be proud of, that i would enjoy watching, and who i would find it easy to root for.

and gallinari is by no means an "average player." in fact for the effect he has on the game he is a bargain. the nuggets struggled without him both in the regular season and in the playoffs. he has a positive net effect on both sides of the ball, which is actually quite rare.

that you can't appreciate gallinari's value is a shame. below is an article that is a real eye-opener about him.

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/1/12/3866818/inside-the-numbers-danilo-gallinari-denver-nuggets

GREAT POST AND ARTICLE..

End of discussion as far as I am concerned.. good work DK as usual..

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

So you felt that building around Amare was the better option???

yes, if by that you mean wait for the right player and that means a complete player and if stat is the middle of it that means a true point guard not some scrubby tweener who needs a kidd or a prigioni to be out there with him. lin fell into our laps but was sent packing because dolan's skin is too thin and his pockets are not deep when he gets shown up by a superior basketball guy. lin is a better orchestrator than felton, and would have allowed shumpert to be in the backcourt.

i am not saying things would have broken our way just like this, but a team of shumpert, lin, gallinari, mozgov, fields, and stoudemire would have been promising, entertaining-- and young.

So the fact that Amare hasn't played consistent basketball in two years hasn't detered your point of view??..By the way. winning basketball is entertaining...This is a lottery team which may be just your plan...

i didn't suffer through two solid years of roster flush to watch half of one season, where-- by the way-- the knicks would have achieved a 7th or 8th seed, only to have an overrated non-franchise type player brought in and yank the team off of its rails. you may not have the patience for a genuine rebuild but there are a significant number of fans who were primed for just that.

you're an addict and the substance you abuse is zekadolanomelophyl, formerly known as zekadolanomarburol.

zdm's main effect is it gives you the feeling of hope and relevance for 6 months and it causes hallucination where you see a fool's gold player as a franchise legend. when you come out of your stupor you say "hey it was fun while it lasted" and start scheming around july to score your next fix.

yes amare was going to eventually break down and i was fine with that. had he had a genuine point guard to finish on pick and rolls with it would have preserved his body but that's why walsh signed felton to an audition contract of two years on the cheap. stat's half a season of hero ball was sad, what with his bulling into 2 or 3 defenders over and over again, never finding the open man. gee where have i seen that before? oh yeah carmelo anthony did the same exact thing.

i waited for two years just to get to a zero point from which to have a fresh start. this after ten years of horror. i was willing to give walsh another two or three years trying to build a team that i would be proud of, that i would enjoy watching, and who i would find it easy to root for.

and gallinari is by no means an "average player." in fact for the effect he has on the game he is a bargain. the nuggets struggled without him both in the regular season and in the playoffs. he has a positive net effect on both sides of the ball, which is actually quite rare.

that you can't appreciate gallinari's value is a shame. below is an article that is a real eye-opener about him.

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/1/12/3866818/inside-the-numbers-danilo-gallinari-denver-nuggets

GREAT POST AND ARTICLE..

End of discussion as far as I am concerned.. good work DK as usual..

Yeah, great work!

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