gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Andrew wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you

Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.

Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.

I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.

No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)

I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.

Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.

Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?

I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.

Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?

perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact

I always find this line of thinking humorous, as the homophobe usually believes all gay men lust after him

Maybe they can have a rule that gays are allowed in the NBA but they have to be guarded by other gay men.

That is pretty funny how the assumption of lust is made.

You know what nobody had a problem with Britney Griner playing in the nba for this very reason. Surely if a gay man were to get aroused by contact the same would likely happen with Britney but like everything else no one has to know. So it really isn't that big an issue as long as everyones rights are respected just like a men and women respect each other even when animal instincts kick in

playa2 wrote:People are afraid of the unknown, then there are others who think men getting the "PIPE" from other men is normal.

Our parents were normal that's how the earth is populated and you got here.

Sex is both pleasure and purpose. Everyone is wired differently. It is not inconceivable to believe that people engage in "gay/lesbian acts" for strictly pleasure with no emotional attachment whatsoever as animals/chimps

Bonn1997 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Andrew wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you

Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.

Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.

I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.

No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)

I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.

Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.

Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?

I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.

Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?

perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact

Ding...Ding...Ding.

Turning on a gay man, is not a compliment.

The fact that there is such a big discussion about this is terrible.

I suggest all straight men start a partition to be aloud to walk free into any woman locker room. Since is similar to homosexuals walking around men locker rooms.

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Andrew wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you

Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.

Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.

I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.

No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)

I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.

Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.

Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?

I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.

Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?

perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact

Ding...Ding...Ding.

Turning on a gay man, is not a compliment.

The fact that there is such a big discussion about this is terrible.

I suggest all straight men start a partition to be aloud to walk free into any woman locker room. Since is similar to homosexuals walking around men locker rooms.

should a gay female be aloud to walk around in a male locker room

would a shemale be allowed to play pro hoops in the nba, eventually?

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you

Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.

Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.

I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.

No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)

I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.

Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.

your point of view presumes that the gay man's motive for playing basketball was primarily pursuit of sexual contact via a physical game, not merely love of sport that involves physical contact.

that presumption is a blatant form of prejudice.

IronWillGiroud wrote:this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay

Next year will mark the defining moment. Either it will come out that Lebron is on HGH/Deer Antler/Steriods after drug testing or that he is gay. Stay tuned...

blkexec wrote:You can't hide your race. For the most part, you know automatically what race a person is. Or I should say, you know if a person is white or non-white. So you can take most of the guessing out. And we have grown as a human race to try and except everybody as equal.

Homosexually is different, because there's no race or color associated with it. If all homosexuals had a certain look or a way to distinguish between gays and str8, then we wouldn't have this problem for this long. Most people (not all) would get over it and gays would be part of the normal population.

Unfortunately thats not the case. So we will continue to have these discussions for our entire lifetime, and most gays will continue to stay in the closet.

Heres an example, if most non-white people were able to look and act white, to avoid discrimination, then we will still be in a racist mind set, similar to todays homosexual discussion and anti-gay rallies..

My point is stop beating your head into the wall trying to change each others views. Just respect each others decisions about homosexuality and move on.

This is part of the problem: I have no respect for gaybashing and violence against sexual minorities, which is what your neither-here-nor-there ass whooping of our hypothetical gay baller seemed to condone, simply for a passing, non-sexual reference to his sexuality (his having a husband)

IronWillGiroud wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay

Next year will mark the defining moment. Either it will come out that Lebron is on HGH/Deer Antler/Steriods after drug testing or that he is gay. Stay tuned...

if lebron came out as gay, that would be earth shattering,

everyone would be then want to be gay if they are real fans of lebron

dude, enough. If you have nothing to add, please don't.

martin wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay

Next year will mark the defining moment. Either it will come out that Lebron is on HGH/Deer Antler/Steriods after drug testing or that he is gay. Stay tuned...

if lebron came out as gay, that would be earth shattering,

everyone would be then want to be gay if they are real fans of lebron

dude, enough. If you have nothing to add, please don't.

that's fair, that one is on me

blkexec wrote:You can't hide your race. For the most part, you know automatically what race a person is. Or I should say, you know if a person is white or non-white. So you can take most of the guessing out. And we have grown as a human race to try and except everybody as equal.

Homosexually is different, because there's no race or color associated with it. If all homosexuals had a certain look or a way to distinguish between gays and str8, then we wouldn't have this problem for this long. Most people (not all) would get over it and gays would be part of the normal population.

Unfortunately thats not the case. So we will continue to have these discussions for our entire lifetime, and most gays will continue to stay in the closet.

Heres an example, if most non-white people were able to look and act white, to avoid discrimination, then we will still be in a racist mind set, similar to todays homosexual discussion and anti-gay rallies..

My point is stop beating your head into the wall trying to change each others views. Just respect each others decisions about homosexuality and move on.

Its a very very tough position for a gay person--man much more so than female IMHO> They were born that way-its who they are. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a gay man or women. I think it is probably beneficial to all for a dont ask dont tell environment--especially while a person is young and just growing to understand who they are. Jason Collins is a 34 year old wealthy intelligent mature man who has the ability to come out and say I'm gay and get applauded like he did today. A 20 year old man who is just finding his way in the world might get a totally different reaction--it could really hurt his life. I don't believe Jason Collins did anything special today other than providing more encouragement for a gay man to come out of hiding if that is what he is doing to himself when his time is right--there I will give him credit. What does it do for the world on whole--not much and he'll end up making millions from it writing a book. OK topic done.