His scoring outburst helped up lock up the #2 seed and home court advantage for the first 2 rds. So to say it doesn't mean anything you would be incorrect.

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

To what extent did he do this, this yr?

the last 6-10 games or so, he's been around 50% or something. His efficiency of late has been pretty unreal in April.

Well you can henpeck any 6-10 game stretch and say he did this. Overall he did not for the season in comparison to his others.

He simply had his second highest VOLUME of his career, which predominantly propelled him to this accomplishment.

Melo was 3rd overall in FGA on the season only behind AchillesBe and ChuckBrick and averaged almost 2FGA more/gm than AchillesBe and ChuckBrick almost 5FGA more than Durant....

Don't forget KD had 238 FT attempts than Melobrickbe!

That's almost as absurd as Lebron getting no foul calls in that insane stretch in the beginning of the season.

Well, a large part of that disparity is games played. Durant played 81 games and Melo only played 67. If Melo and Durant had both played 81 games then the FT disparity would only be about 130 in favor of Durant; that's less than 2 FTA/game.

“KD tracks his numbers in his head obsessively throughout games, down to turnovers, assists, what he’s shooting from the floor, rebounds and of course, points. I remember a game last season where Durant threw a half-oop, half-shot out of bounds. He came over to the scorekeeper and asked him if he had scored it a turnover or a shot attempt. The scorekeeper said turnover, to which Durant said, “Good, I’d rather have a turnover than a miss.””

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kevin-durant-sometimes-doesn-t-want-chuck-low-220357263--nba.html

“It depends on what I’m shooting from the field. First quarter if I’m 4-for-4, I let it go. Third quarter if I’m like 10-for-16, or 10-for-17, I might let it go. But if I’m like 8-for-19, I’m going to go ahead and dribble one more second and let that buzzer go off and then throw it up there. So it depends on how the game’s going.”

WHat does it mean a lil of nothing? Does KD care about his number? If he cares that much does that mean he really does care about the scoring title but didn't want to be judge by the media for going for it? WHo knows. WHo cares.

VCoug wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

To what extent did he do this, this yr?

the last 6-10 games or so, he's been around 50% or something. His efficiency of late has been pretty unreal in April.

Well you can henpeck any 6-10 game stretch and say he did this. Overall he did not for the season in comparison to his others.

He simply had his second highest VOLUME of his career, which predominantly propelled him to this accomplishment.

Melo was 3rd overall in FGA on the season only behind AchillesBe and ChuckBrick and averaged almost 2FGA more/gm than AchillesBe and ChuckBrick almost 5FGA more than Durant....

Don't forget KD had 238 FT attempts than Melobrickbe!

That's almost as absurd as Lebron getting no foul calls in that insane stretch in the beginning of the season.

Well, a large part of that disparity is games played. Durant played 81 games and Melo only played 67. If Melo and Durant had both played 81 games then the FT disparity would only be about 130 in favor of Durant; that's less than 2 FTA/game.

That's a big difference though if you factor in efficiency. Someone actually did factor in what Melo'd FG% and TS% would be if you took off 1 shot and 2 more FTs a game. It was a pretty big difference. If you do 2 less shots and 4 more FTs he would have probably set a record for usage and efficiency.

Eh. The exact difference is 1.7 FTA/game. You're never going to be able to convince me that a disparity that small is something I should concern myself with.

You do not have to be concerned at all but it makes a difference in efficiency which is so important to some stat geeks. NBA teams have their own numbers they are concern with that compiles much more data than box score stats. Its not a big deal either way.

Zanzibar
April 14, 2013 at 7:51 am

Recently, some here have suggested that Melo’s stats may be understated because (1) he doesn’t get as favorable foul calls as other leading players; (2) stats don’t accurately account for the many times where he rebounds his own shot at the rim and puts it right back; and (3) hockey pass sequences are not accounted for at all. I decided to look at the effect of (1) and (2) on TS%. Regarding (1), I assumed Melo was fouled 1 additional time per game played (shooting foul) and he converted the FTs at his 83% average (FGA were reduced by 1 per game played and PTS were adjusted as just described). Regarding (2), I assumed a putback happens once per game and that his FG% should be calculated as 75% for one FGA instead of 50% over two FGAs. Here are the results:

Baseline TS%(.561) as of 4/14
(1) Only Revised TS%(.596)
(2) Only Revised TS%(.574)
(1) and (2) Revised TS%(.611)

You may, of course, now do some what-if analysis on my what-if analysis. For example, maybe you believe Melo does not get favorable calls but instead of 1 additional shooting foul/game it’s more like 1 every other game. In that case, his TS% would go from .561 to .579 (versus .596). Similarly, assuming putback sequence happens once every other game, his TS% would go from .561 to .568 (versus .574). Combining these two would give .586 (versus .611).

Note: I was also curious what Melo’s TS% would be if he shot free throws at 87% instead of 83%. His TS% would be.567 instead of .561.

ChuckBuck wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

How do you go about WINNING though? Don't you have to do score more than the opposition to win?

Or do you have to hold your opponent to fewer points than you put up?
Regardless, you are confounding team with individual scoring. I don't really think you mean what you're saying. Guys like Chris Paul or Steve Nash in his prime would be just mediocre players since their PPG is mediocre.

Uhh, you still have to score more than the opponent. No way the Bull's of the 90s, defensive juggernauts as they were, win without MJ pouring 30+ a game.

Lakers needed either Shaq or Kobe to pour in 30+ a game to win.

Guys like Chris Paul and Steve Nash are great great players, they've just never been matched with their scoring machine counterpart, apologies to Griffin and Amare.

Can't remember a recent championship team that didn't have an individual that went absolutely nuts in the NBA Finals.

Maybe 2004 when Chauncey won Finals MVP with a modest 21 pts average?

Bad teams, great teams, and teams every where in between have had plenty of high PPG players. The better teams have a lot of efficient scorers (and players who contribute in many other ways).

Some examples Bonn?

Every Championship Team I can think of had an epic performance by a player scoring wise except Chauncey Billups.

Lebron, Dirk, Wade, Olajuwon, Kobe, Shaq, Tony Parker, TD, Jordan, Isiah THomas...mind's drawing a blank.

You got any examples for me? Probably not.

Examples of what? High PPG players on poor teams? Sure - look at the ten most elite PPG players each year. Few of them are on elite teams. In fact, about a third of them are on sub .500 teams.

Everyone of those players I listed are High PPG players that won Championships. It seems every Championship team has one of those scoring machines.

That doesn't dispute anything I said. High PPG players are on great and bad teams. In other words, that is not a factor that distinguishes the great from the bad teams.

Actually it is a factor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_scoring_leaders

If you look at the names through NBA history, several made deep playoff runs or won NBA Championships.

and several didn't

Several didn't what? Most of the players on this list, with TMAC maybe exception, on the way to the Hall of Fame or made an NBA Finals appearance, or won an NBA Championship.

newyorknewyork wrote:Melo not winning scoring titles in the past was used as a knock against him in past arguments. Now that he achieves a scoring title it doesn't mean anything.

His scoring outburst helped up lock up the #2 seed and home court advantage for the first 2 rds. So to say it doesn't mean anything you would be incorrect.

3G4G wrote:Hey did you guys forget what Melo did last year at the end of the regular season or are you too punch drunk over what he did this season because this performance led to a scoring title?

Because here are his numbers from last year in April

7-16 .438 0-2 .000 3-4 .750 17

14-32 .438 3-5 .600 8-9 .889 39

5-13 .385 1-2 .500 1-1 1.000 12

11-21 .524 5-7 .714 6-6 1.000 33

13-24 .542 2-4 .500 7-8 .875 35

14-27 .519 2-7 .286 12-15 .800 42

8-17 .471 0-1 .000 2-2 1.000 18

13-26 .500 2-4 .500 4-5 .800 32

11-19 .579 1-3 .333 6-9 .667 29

16-31 .516 4-5 .800 7-9 .778 43

6-16 .375 2-5 .400 5-7 .714 19

17-31 .548 1-5 .200 4-5 .800 39

We finished the season 9-4 he sat the last game. We ended up 36-30 and when you take the 9-4 stretch and his play you could say it led to the team clearly being better than .500. Boy was he chucking it up. But Tomorrow came, that is the Playoffs

Your point is? That was last year, what does that have to do with 2013?

It's a shame some people just flat out hate Melo because he's not LeBron/Durant, but what're you gonna do, it's just gonna be that much sweeter when they eat their words.

TeamBall wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:Congrats Melo, you deserve it.
Had your best year yet, and you won the scoring title, were one of the only other possible candidates for MVP whose name isn't LeBron, you (along with the team ofcourse) got us the #2 seed in the East and won the Division.
It's all poised now for a deep playoff run, hopefully/potentialy extending past the ECF.

It's a shame some people just flat out hate Melo because he's not LeBron/Durant, but what're you gonna do, it's just gonna be that much sweeter when they eat their words.

Thats why people hate him?

Nah, it's because he doesn't look like this:

OGkush121 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:Congrats Melo, you deserve it.
Had your best year yet, and you won the scoring title, were one of the only other possible candidates for MVP whose name isn't LeBron, you (along with the team ofcourse) got us the #2 seed in the East and won the Division.
It's all poised now for a deep playoff run, hopefully/potentialy extending past the ECF.

It's a shame some people just flat out hate Melo because he's not LeBron/Durant, but what're you gonna do, it's just gonna be that much sweeter when they eat their words.

Thats why people hate him?

please, some people are never satisfied with anything Melo does, when he has a bad game or something you won't hear the end of it....and when he has a great game the only thing you'll hear from the same people is how much better LeBron is or how much more efficient Durant is.
Well guess what, there are only 2 (arguably 3) other teams that have as good as or a better player than Melo and a better team, and I don't hear the other 27 fanbases complain about their star player(s) nearly as much as some people b1tch and whine about Melo on here, even though he's the reason the Knicks are relevant again.