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4/10/2013 10:55 AM LAST EDITED: 4/10/2013 10:56 AM

NYKBocker wrote:Because we have 3 max contacts type tied up and very little maneuvering left. Also, signed old man Kidd and Camby too long. Hopefully, Novak can increase his value at that contract.
The Knuggets meanwhile signed young players entering their prime.
Gallo hopefully will make a good recovery.
Iggy? I like him a lot but Knuggets GM will not overpay for him.

- Knicks are in win now mode. Amare, Chandler, Kidd, Camby expire summer 2015. So I dont see the big deal.

- Denver is going to have to pay Andre now that Gallinari is down. Who are they going to get to run and gun at SG for cheap? JR Smith? They traded Affalo and will have a huge hole at SG and SF if Igoudala walks.

- Denver is paying STARTER money for McGee to come off the bench for LESS THAN 20 MINUTES a game. WTF!

- Paying 6-7 million a year until 2016 for Chandler who stays injured.

- Paying Gallinari 10 million per until 2016 and he stays injured too

- Andre Miller is 34 too and under contract until 2015

Denver has more problems than the Knicks currently.

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4/10/2013 11:33 AM

AnubisADL wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Because we have 3 max contacts type tied up and very little maneuvering left. Also, signed old man Kidd and Camby too long. Hopefully, Novak can increase his value at that contract.
The Knuggets meanwhile signed young players entering their prime.
Gallo hopefully will make a good recovery.
Iggy? I like him a lot but Knuggets GM will not overpay for him.
- Knicks are in win now mode. Amare, Chandler, Kidd, Camby expire summer 2015. So I dont see the big deal.
- Denver is going to have to pay Andre now that Gallinari is down. Who are they going to get to run and gun at SG for cheap? JR Smith? They traded Affalo and will have a huge hole at SG and SF if Igoudala walks.
- Denver is paying STARTER money for McGee to come off the bench for LESS THAN 20 MINUTES a game. WTF!
- Paying 6-7 million a year until 2016 for Chandler who stays injured.
- Paying Gallinari 10 million per until 2016 and he stays injured too
- Andre Miller is 34 too and under contract until 2015
Denver has more problems than the Knicks currently.

YOu guys are funny. You keep looking at the pieces individually.

IN fact, one can almost say Denver "gave away melo for basically nothing"!

I mean they got Miller for Felton, and since gallo and chandler are not game changers its like they really don't have much value and they always hurt?

So the trade is so great it was like we got Melo for very little?

Then why the phuck is their record so damn good? And they got picks, expirings, good players which adds up?

Regarding Mcgee:

Mcgee is a "Project". Get him to play the right way in short burts. You can laugh now that he only plays 20 min a game but what his happening in those games? Denver has a better record than us and in a really tough conference.

They see Mcgee as a long term asset with potential who needed to be broken down and rebuilt. When this kid is "Playing right" he is a game changer. I realize some of you are into the instant gradification and thats great. "win now" does not develop like that.

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4/10/2013 11:34 AM

AnubisADL wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Because we have 3 max contacts type tied up and very little maneuvering left. Also, signed old man Kidd and Camby too long. Hopefully, Novak can increase his value at that contract.
The Knuggets meanwhile signed young players entering their prime.
Gallo hopefully will make a good recovery.
Iggy? I like him a lot but Knuggets GM will not overpay for him.
- Knicks are in win now mode. Amare, Chandler, Kidd, Camby expire summer 2015. So I dont see the big deal.
- Denver is going to have to pay Andre now that Gallinari is down. Who are they going to get to run and gun at SG for cheap? JR Smith? They traded Affalo and will have a huge hole at SG and SF if Igoudala walks.
- Denver is paying STARTER money for McGee to come off the bench for LESS THAN 20 MINUTES a game. WTF!
- Paying 6-7 million a year until 2016 for Chandler who stays injured.
- Paying Gallinari 10 million per until 2016 and he stays injured too
- Andre Miller is 34 too and under contract until 2015
Denver has more problems than the Knicks currently.

both teams are making it to the second round. if the knicks get further than the nuggets this season you might have a point. until then you are speculating in a vacuum.

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4/10/2013 11:41 AM

dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Because we have 3 max contacts type tied up and very little maneuvering left. Also, signed old man Kidd and Camby too long. Hopefully, Novak can increase his value at that contract.
The Knuggets meanwhile signed young players entering their prime.
Gallo hopefully will make a good recovery.
Iggy? I like him a lot but Knuggets GM will not overpay for him.
- Knicks are in win now mode. Amare, Chandler, Kidd, Camby expire summer 2015. So I dont see the big deal.
- Denver is going to have to pay Andre now that Gallinari is down. Who are they going to get to run and gun at SG for cheap? JR Smith? They traded Affalo and will have a huge hole at SG and SF if Igoudala walks.
- Denver is paying STARTER money for McGee to come off the bench for LESS THAN 20 MINUTES a game. WTF!
- Paying 6-7 million a year until 2016 for Chandler who stays injured.
- Paying Gallinari 10 million per until 2016 and he stays injured too
- Andre Miller is 34 too and under contract until 2015
Denver has more problems than the Knicks currently.
both teams are making it to the second round. if the knicks get further than the nuggets this season you might have a point. until then you are speculating in a vacuum.

Gallo is not closing superduper star but he is their leading scorer.

Losing him and making a round would be a good thing for them. Its the point of persective.
Denver is making money, winning and have assets to build on. Their model is working.
KNicks have a different model and its working.

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4/10/2013 12:11 PM LAST EDITED: 4/10/2013 12:13 PM

Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny. You keep looking at the pieces individually.
IN fact, one can almost say Denver "gave away melo for basically nothing"!
I mean they got Miller for Felton, and since gallo and chandler are not game changers its like they really don't have much value and they always hurt?
So the trade is so great it was like we got Melo for very little?
Then why the phuck is their record so damn good? And they got picks, expirings, good players which adds up?
Regarding Mcgee:
Mcgee is a "Project". Get him to play the right way in short burts. You can laugh now that he only plays 20 min a game but what his happening in those games? Denver has a better record than us and in a really tough conference.
They see Mcgee as a long term asset with potential who needed to be broken down and rebuilt. When this kid is "Playing right" he is a game changer. I realize some of you are into the instant gradification and thats great. "win now" does not develop like that.

You are too funny.

A project big with a 4 year 44 million dollar deal. Uh huh sure.

Come on now.

What you fail to realize is when a team is good the guys who contribute to those wins want to get PAID!

Igoudala's stock is rising. Faried's stock is rising. Brewer's stock rising.

You think other teams are not going to think those guys can contribute to their teams?

If McGee turns into a elite big they going to have to pay him THE MAX. I dont see McGee becoming elite but regardless Denver cant afford to keep all that "talent".

Igoudala says, SHOW ME THE MONEY!

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4/10/2013 1:10 PM

AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny. You keep looking at the pieces individually.
IN fact, one can almost say Denver "gave away melo for basically nothing"!
I mean they got Miller for Felton, and since gallo and chandler are not game changers its like they really don't have much value and they always hurt?
So the trade is so great it was like we got Melo for very little?
Then why the phuck is their record so damn good? And they got picks, expirings, good players which adds up?
Regarding Mcgee:
Mcgee is a "Project". Get him to play the right way in short burts. You can laugh now that he only plays 20 min a game but what his happening in those games? Denver has a better record than us and in a really tough conference.
They see Mcgee as a long term asset with potential who needed to be broken down and rebuilt. When this kid is "Playing right" he is a game changer. I realize some of you are into the instant gradification and thats great. "win now" does not develop like that.
You are too funny.
A project big with a 4 year 44 million dollar deal. Uh huh sure.
Come on now.
What you fail to realize is when a team is good the guys who contribute to those wins want to get PAID!
Igoudala's stock is rising. Faried's stock is rising. Brewer's stock rising.
You think other teams are not going to think those guys can contribute to their teams?
If McGee turns into a elite big they going to have to pay him THE MAX. I dont see McGee becoming elite but regardless Denver cant afford to keep all that "talent".
Igoudala says, SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Im only going on the story behind the trade and signing of Mcgee, Denvers record, and what they expected from him.

YOu expected something else? Ok.

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4/10/2013 1:23 PM

AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny. You keep looking at the pieces individually.
IN fact, one can almost say Denver "gave away melo for basically nothing"!
I mean they got Miller for Felton, and since gallo and chandler are not game changers its like they really don't have much value and they always hurt?
So the trade is so great it was like we got Melo for very little?
Then why the phuck is their record so damn good? And they got picks, expirings, good players which adds up?
Regarding Mcgee:
Mcgee is a "Project". Get him to play the right way in short burts. You can laugh now that he only plays 20 min a game but what his happening in those games? Denver has a better record than us and in a really tough conference.
They see Mcgee as a long term asset with potential who needed to be broken down and rebuilt. When this kid is "Playing right" he is a game changer. I realize some of you are into the instant gradification and thats great. "win now" does not develop like that.
You are too funny.
A project big with a 4 year 44 million dollar deal. Uh huh sure.
Come on now.
What you fail to realize is when a team is good the guys who contribute to those wins want to get PAID!
Igoudala's stock is rising. Faried's stock is rising. Brewer's stock rising.
You think other teams are not going to think those guys can contribute to their teams?
If McGee turns into a elite big they going to have to pay him THE MAX. I dont see McGee becoming elite but regardless Denver cant afford to keep all that "talent".
Igoudala says, SHOW ME THE MONEY!

What was Denver's past?

This model is get young players, get back to .600 ball, and then what?

They walk away to someplace else after they spend 7-8 years going to the playoffs and not winning anything?

Great model.

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4/10/2013 1:39 PM

Denver is facing GSW in the first round....unless GSW tank and Rockets go 6. Denver should not have any problems with both teams. Hoping Denver does not face the Rockets

In the 2nd round they will most likely face OKC. Rockets have a punchers chance but I think OKC will be there. Denver beats OKC this year. They have players that can guard Durant.

Then comes the Spurs or Clips/Memphis...man...I think Denver has a very high probability that they are making the WCF and going to the Finals.

Denver did really well.

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4/10/2013 2:02 PM

jrodmc wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny. You keep looking at the pieces individually.
IN fact, one can almost say Denver "gave away melo for basically nothing"!
I mean they got Miller for Felton, and since gallo and chandler are not game changers its like they really don't have much value and they always hurt?
So the trade is so great it was like we got Melo for very little?
Then why the phuck is their record so damn good? And they got picks, expirings, good players which adds up?
Regarding Mcgee:
Mcgee is a "Project". Get him to play the right way in short burts. You can laugh now that he only plays 20 min a game but what his happening in those games? Denver has a better record than us and in a really tough conference.
They see Mcgee as a long term asset with potential who needed to be broken down and rebuilt. When this kid is "Playing right" he is a game changer. I realize some of you are into the instant gradification and thats great. "win now" does not develop like that.
You are too funny.
A project big with a 4 year 44 million dollar deal. Uh huh sure.
Come on now.
What you fail to realize is when a team is good the guys who contribute to those wins want to get PAID!
Igoudala's stock is rising. Faried's stock is rising. Brewer's stock rising.
You think other teams are not going to think those guys can contribute to their teams?
If McGee turns into a elite big they going to have to pay him THE MAX. I dont see McGee becoming elite but regardless Denver cant afford to keep all that "talent".
Igoudala says, SHOW ME THE MONEY!
What was Denver's past?
This model is get young players, get back to .600 ball, and then what?
They walk away to someplace else after they spend 7-8 years going to the playoffs and not winning anything?
Great model.

You got the next 8 years mapped out?

Model to get young players, back to .600 and your make it like its easy.

Denver was good, now they are good.

We sucked, now we are good.

We get it.

Denver win a chip in the last 40 years? NOpe. We? Nope.

What high horse did you ride in on?

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4/10/2013 6:44 PM

Here is a good thread if you're interested in how many people's views fluctuate depending on the way the wind is blowing:
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=43688&page=1

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4/10/2013 6:51 PM

Bonn1997 wrote:Here is a good thread if you're interested in how many people's views fluctuate depending on the way the wind is blowing:
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=43688&page=1

a truly nightmarish episode. it's a relief a couple of these other guys left. they were insufferable.

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4/10/2013 6:58 PM

Bonn1997 wrote:Here is a good thread if you're interested in how many people's views fluctuate depending on the way the wind is blowing:
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=43688&page=1

The premise of that thread was wrong and unrealistic. Saying that Melo would have signed as a free agent in NY.

He's a great player but when we gave so many young players and picks when we could've waited and signed for nothing outright was a killer. Also why does Houston get picks from us in every trade and we get nothing for Lin. And lee for amare is a bust

No way Denver gets nothing for Melo he was being moved at the deadline. No way Melo waits for the owners to lockout the players and reign in free agency. Expecting Melo to make 25 mil less and the Nuggets to get nothing for Melo so that the Knicks could retain all their assets is one of the most unrealistic things I have ever read on this forum.

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4/11/2013 8:18 PM

George Karl has an easy Job, the fans and the media in Denver will never expect them to win big, the excuse will always be we have good young pieces. Karl doesn't even coach as much, his assistants do. I heard him say that himself on the Jim Rome show.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.

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4/11/2013 8:23 PM

playa2 wrote:George Karl has an easy Job, the fans and the media in Denver will never expect them to win big, the excuse will always be we have good young pieces. Karl doesn't even coach as much, his assistants do. I heard him say that himself on the Jim Rome show.

was his job easier when he had carmelo anthony?

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4/11/2013 8:43 PM

playa2 wrote:George Karl has an easy Job, the fans and the media in Denver will never expect them to win big, the excuse will always be we have good young pieces. Karl doesn't even coach as much, his assistants do. I heard him say that himself on the Jim Rome show.

Sometimes it seems like as long as they do better than the Knicks then their season was successful.

Knicksfan: Hypocrite league that fines players after the game for flopping but in the game and with obvious flopping they call the fouls.

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4/12/2013 7:38 AM

Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny. You keep looking at the pieces individually.
IN fact, one can almost say Denver "gave away melo for basically nothing"!
I mean they got Miller for Felton, and since gallo and chandler are not game changers its like they really don't have much value and they always hurt?
So the trade is so great it was like we got Melo for very little?
Then why the phuck is their record so damn good? And they got picks, expirings, good players which adds up?
Regarding Mcgee:
Mcgee is a "Project". Get him to play the right way in short burts. You can laugh now that he only plays 20 min a game but what his happening in those games? Denver has a better record than us and in a really tough conference.
They see Mcgee as a long term asset with potential who needed to be broken down and rebuilt. When this kid is "Playing right" he is a game changer. I realize some of you are into the instant gradification and thats great. "win now" does not develop like that.
You are too funny.
A project big with a 4 year 44 million dollar deal. Uh huh sure.
Come on now.
What you fail to realize is when a team is good the guys who contribute to those wins want to get PAID!
Igoudala's stock is rising. Faried's stock is rising. Brewer's stock rising.
You think other teams are not going to think those guys can contribute to their teams?
If McGee turns into a elite big they going to have to pay him THE MAX. I dont see McGee becoming elite but regardless Denver cant afford to keep all that "talent".
Igoudala says, SHOW ME THE MONEY!
What was Denver's past?
This model is get young players, get back to .600 ball, and then what?
They walk away to someplace else after they spend 7-8 years going to the playoffs and not winning anything?
Great model.
You got the next 8 years mapped out?
Model to get young players, back to .600 and your make it like its easy.
Denver was good, now they are good.
We sucked, now we are good.
We get it.
Denver win a chip in the last 40 years? NOpe. We? Nope.
What high horse did you ride in on?

The model obviously isn't all it's being cracked to be.

Denver win any chips? No. We win any chips? Yes.
Big difference in history.

Who has won chips:
Boston - original starphucque
Dallas - who were the fine young upstarts who made that happen?
LA - continual startphucquing, two decades long now
San Tone - Numbah 1 pick, hello.
Meeahmee - nuff said

Is the OKC model going to work? Let's see them win one first before we denote brilliance on "the model".

You can't know where you're going if you don't know where you've been.

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4/12/2013 8:18 AM

jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu guys are funny. You keep looking at the pieces individually.
IN fact, one can almost say Denver "gave away melo for basically nothing"!
I mean they got Miller for Felton, and since gallo and chandler are not game changers its like they really don't have much value and they always hurt?
So the trade is so great it was like we got Melo for very little?
Then why the phuck is their record so damn good? And they got picks, expirings, good players which adds up?
Regarding Mcgee:
Mcgee is a "Project". Get him to play the right way in short burts. You can laugh now that he only plays 20 min a game but what his happening in those games? Denver has a better record than us and in a really tough conference.
They see Mcgee as a long term asset with potential who needed to be broken down and rebuilt. When this kid is "Playing right" he is a game changer. I realize some of you are into the instant gradification and thats great. "win now" does not develop like that.
You are too funny.
A project big with a 4 year 44 million dollar deal. Uh huh sure.
Come on now.
What you fail to realize is when a team is good the guys who contribute to those wins want to get PAID!
Igoudala's stock is rising. Faried's stock is rising. Brewer's stock rising.
You think other teams are not going to think those guys can contribute to their teams?
If McGee turns into a elite big they going to have to pay him THE MAX. I dont see McGee becoming elite but regardless Denver cant afford to keep all that "talent".
Igoudala says, SHOW ME THE MONEY!
What was Denver's past?
This model is get young players, get back to .600 ball, and then what?
They walk away to someplace else after they spend 7-8 years going to the playoffs and not winning anything?
Great model.
You got the next 8 years mapped out?
Model to get young players, back to .600 and your make it like its easy.
Denver was good, now they are good.
We sucked, now we are good.
We get it.
Denver win a chip in the last 40 years? NOpe. We? Nope.
What high horse did you ride in on?
The model obviously isn't all it's being cracked to be.
Denver win any chips? No. We win any chips? Yes.
Big difference in history.
Who has won chips:
Boston - original starphucque
Dallas - who were the fine young upstarts who made that happen?
LA - continual startphucquing, two decades long now
San Tone - Numbah 1 pick, hello.
Meeahmee - nuff said
Is the OKC model going to work? Let's see them win one first before we denote brilliance on "the model".
You can't know where you're going if you don't know where you've been.

Denver has never had a no. 1 pick I can recall.

And no, knicks have not won in 40 years. Denver been in the league 37 years.

We gonna argue the future or just watch the games?

Who cares what we think about the way denver spends its money. They wanna play mcgee 20 min a game and pay him 11mil thats their biz. can't argue their record.

Does Gallo not playing keep them out of the finals? Who knows.

Nalod only suggests to respect the job they did this year. It has no bearing on what the knicks did unless your that insecure.

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4/12/2013 9:37 AM

There is no big expectation for the Denver Nuggets Franchise, because the media and fans are like the fans in Phoenix...entertain us you don't have to win it all.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.

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4/12/2013 3:46 PM

playa2 wrote:There is no big expectation for the Denver Nuggets Franchise, because the media and fans are like the fans in Phoenix...entertain us you don't have to win it all.

BINGO!

Why all this simpering about "models" and "built to win now" and "not extensible"

I still don't understand what 3-4 years of suffering through nothing seasons and "cap space, baby" and "draft picks! draft picks!" was really all about if we can't enjoy a season like this.

Enjoy this season is my plea
You will remember the one three
Maybe things will be better in one four
Watch the games; know the score

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4/12/2013 4:04 PM LAST EDITED: 4/12/2013 4:14 PM

blow it up is at least suggesting a future path. - Bonn

JROD, Can you delete your sig rather than taking a portion of one sentence of one post out of context? Usually people put quotes from other posters in their sig because they agree with the quote, not because they think it's a "gotcha" moment and are trying to embarrass the other poster. I think your signature is in poor taste.

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