NUPE wrote:Why is this thread allowed to exist. Where was this thread when Lin was sucking and/or mediocre for 3/4 of the current season.

It was sitting in cut and paste land, along with all the DLee and Nate Robinson threads.
It's okay. I've finally figured out that being in first place for the ENTIRE season so far, people just need to vent.

NYKBocker wrote:

nixluva wrote:IF THE KNICKS WANTED LIN THEY WOULD'VE LOCKED HIM UP RATHER THAN HAVE HIM ACCEPT OFFERS. The Kid wanted to be here and it was the KNICKS who told him to go get offers. If he was our 1st rd pick would we be telling him to go get offers 1st and then we'd look to match? NO ONE does that with a player they value as key to their future. Clearly the Knicks didn't value him. The Knicks capologists knew the possibility existed for there to be a poison pill contract offer if they let him shop around. So why risk it unnecessarily? In the end the Knicks never made an offer to Lin.

Ding Ding Ding. Knicks should have offered the full MLE and not let this go beyond. Signing Lin for a little over $5M a year for 5 years would have been perfect.

Yet somehow it still Lin’s fault for accepting the only offer that was ever presented to him, according to some around here, if Lin wanted to be a Knick he should have negotiated for less money or may be even play for the NBA minimum. GIVE ME A BREAK.

fishmike wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

nixluva wrote:IF THE KNICKS WANTED LIN THEY WOULD'VE LOCKED HIM UP RATHER THAN HAVE HIM ACCEPT OFFERS. The Kid wanted to be here and it was the KNICKS who told him to go get offers. If he was our 1st rd pick would we be telling him to go get offers 1st and then we'd look to match? NO ONE does that with a player they value as key to their future. Clearly the Knicks didn't value him. The Knicks capologists knew the possibility existed for there to be a poison pill contract offer if they let him shop around. So why risk it unnecessarily? In the end the Knicks never made an offer to Lin.

Ding Ding Ding. Knicks should have offered the full MLE and not let this go beyond. Signing Lin for a little over $5M a year for 5 years would have been perfect.

Yet somehow it still Lin’s fault for accepting the only offer that was ever presented to him, according to some around here, if Lin wanted to be a Knick he should have negotiated for less money or may be even play for the NBA minimum. GIVE ME A BREAK.

agree. And if Melo wanted to win like Lebron he should have taken less also, but both showed their true colors didnt they? Lin and MElo went for the cash and Knicks are paying for both of their selfishness

You can't put Lin in the same category as Melo. This was the kids 1st real contract! You have to get as much as you can to take care of your family. If you've already made millions and your career is relatively secure you can make a choice to take less. Thing is the Knicks shouldn't have let a asset go like that. It made no sense when they could've shown him their seriousness with a legit contract and i'm sure he would've signed without looking anywhere else. Remember they went courting Nash and Kidd and had already talked with Felton before ever dealing with Lin. This was 100% a Knicks management issue and not Lin's fault at all.

Anji wrote:We traded he because he is an average point guard not worth that contract.

What? LOL.

Lin was already at bargain basement price and he would have signed on for a measly 2 million dollars except everyone kept making him out to be this great big hype so he played along with it and the 'match the offer' proposal was what set his values extremely high.

Syniko wrote:

Anji wrote:We traded he because he is an average point guard not worth that contract.

What? LOL.

Lin was already at bargain basement price and he would have signed on for a measly 2 million dollars except everyone kept making him out to be this great big hype so he played along with it and the 'match the offer' proposal was what set his values extremely high.

If Lin becomes more consistent --his contract could look reasonable at the end of it(as in 8mm per) Hes a 4-5 mm $ value now.. The one thing I do not get--why did they load two more PG's Beverly and Brooks when Harden and Lin dominate the ball--they really dont need many more ballhandlers. Chandler Parsons wouldve got 10mm per from someone next year--but he was sckered into a 3 year 2nd round draft choice contact--the GM is pretty darn good. They have the lowest payroll and they will make the playoffs.

gunsnewing wrote:Lin couldve been signed for 5mil per if the knicks moved quickly and showed him they wanted him here. Maybe Melo and Woodson didnt want him but he wanted to be here

Did Lin himself tell you that?

FELTON
14.5 PPG
6.0 APG
2.4 TOPG
1.3 SPG
2.9 RBG
.403 FG%
.343 3PT%

Bottom line is that the Knicks felt they could get comparable production for less money. Looking at the above it looks like they were right...just like I stated when this first went down.

Instead of complaning about people blowing by Felton we would be complaining about people blowing by Lin. Lin will not be worth the $14.8 mil payday he would have received from the Knicks and definately not worth the cap penalties.

Lin's strengths are stealing the ball and rebounding yet is killing Felton in steals by .60 steals per game and crushing Ray Ray on the boards by .40 per game. All for a measly $4,000,000 more per year. Please spare me the "It's Dolans money who cares" crap.

The same way that many here are waiting for Gallo to turn into the 20 PPG Dirk Jr. is the way that many will be waiting for Lin to turn into CP3 junior. Of course by then we'll have 80,000 threads about this which may surpass the amount of Melo trade threads during the same time period.

Oh yeah Lin wasn't traded....brilliant thread.

CashMoney wrote:LIN
12.8 PPG
6.2 APG
2.9 TOPG
1.9 SPG
3.3 RBP
.436 FG%
.324 3PT%

FELTON
14.5 PPG
6.0 APG
2.4 TOPG
1.3 SPG
2.9 RBG
.403 FG%
.343 3PT%

Bottom line is that the Knicks felt they could get comparable production for less money. Looking at the above it looks like they were right...just like I stated when this first went down.

Instead of complaning about people blowing by Felton we would be complaining about people blowing by Lin. Lin will not be worth the $14.8 mil payday he would have received from the Knicks and definately not worth the cap penalties.

Lin's strengths are stealing the ball and rebounding yet is killing Felton in steals by .60 steals per game and crushing Ray Ray on the boards by .40 per game. All for a measly $4,000,000 more per year. Please spare me the "It's Dolans money who cares" crap.

The same way that many here are waiting for Gallo to turn into the 20 PPG Dirk Jr. is the way that many will be waiting for Lin to turn into CP3 junior. Of course by then we'll have 80,000 threads about this which may surpass the amount of Melo trade threads during the same time period.

Oh yeah Lin wasn't traded....brilliant thread.

Watch them play, don't look at the Stats. Lin is much better, much smarter and basically better in all aspects. Lin could have been our number two, Felton has repeatedly failed at that.

Syniko wrote:

Anji wrote:We traded he because he is an average point guard not worth that contract.

What? LOL.

Lin was already at bargain basement price and he would have signed on for a measly 2 million dollars except everyone kept making him out to be this great big hype so he played along with it and the 'match the offer' proposal was what set his values extremely high.

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

CashMoney wrote:LIN
12.8 PPG
6.2 APG
2.9 TOPG
1.9 SPG
3.3 RBP
.436 FG%
.324 3PT%

FELTON
14.5 PPG
6.0 APG
2.4 TOPG
1.3 SPG
2.9 RBG
.403 FG%
.343 3PT%

Bottom line is that the Knicks felt they could get comparable production for less money. Looking at the above it looks like they were right...just like I stated when this first went down.

Instead of complaning about people blowing by Felton we would be complaining about people blowing by Lin. Lin will not be worth the $14.8 mil payday he would have received from the Knicks and definately not worth the cap penalties.

Lin's strengths are stealing the ball and rebounding yet is killing Felton in steals by .60 steals per game and crushing Ray Ray on the boards by .40 per game. All for a measly $4,000,000 more per year. Please spare me the "It's Dolans money who cares" crap.

The same way that many here are waiting for Gallo to turn into the 20 PPG Dirk Jr. is the way that many will be waiting for Lin to turn into CP3 junior. Of course by then we'll have 80,000 threads about this which may surpass the amount of Melo trade threads during the same time period.

Oh yeah Lin wasn't traded....brilliant thread.

Watch them play, don't look at the Stats. Lin is much better, much smarter and basically better in all aspects. Lin could have been our number two, Felton has repeatedly failed at that.

Whatch them play? Why would I CHOOSE to watch a Rockets game? With the little time I have I prefer to watch the team that I root for. If given all the free time time in the world to watch NBA games at my whim the Rockets would be uber low on my list.

I'm not saying that Lin is not a good player but I am saying that he is not the difference maker. If he indeed PROVES to be an all star player capable of being a #2 I'm gladly admit that I was wrong. It certainly is not this year.

It is fun to watch other players play. It gives perspective as well.

You can't compare players with just stats. I think you know that. Yes, it is a gauge of sorts.

Lin is a special player, was and continues to be.

I DO DEEPLY hope we get a great pg. It is probably my favorite position to watch due to the conductor like quality a great pg has. That can reaaly skip the individual stats.