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Not to go back and re-visit the actual trade, but lets take a closer look at our team pre-trade.
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mrKnickShot
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2/25/2013  3:06 PM
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mrKnickShot wrote:Gallo is an ok player. They could have let carmelo walk and spend that money on an equal or better player than Gallo. Once again, your argument is flawed.

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

You get so feisty when you defend or feel like you need to defend Gallo

It really is kind of adorable.

you keep making that claim yet never provided any players they could have signed... remember they got more than just gallo.... stop talking about flawed arguments here.. look in the mirror... LOL

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

LOL dude cut out the old, childish antics.. that will not bother me.. I don't care what you think about gallo, I only address silly statements, and would like for people to be upfront when they post... you are not being honest here.... so I call it like I see it.. thats all....

THey could have had enough money to give a poison pill contract to you know who.

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2/25/2013  3:06 PM
Melo:: 28.4 points, 6.5 boards, 2.7 assists, 0.5 blocks and 0.8 steals per game. FG% of .443%. 3PT% of .389%. FT% of .824%%. 7.5 FT attempts per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 23.3.

Gallo: 16.9 points, 5.4 boards, 2.4 assists, 0.6 blocks and 0.9 steals per game. FG% of .425%. 3PT% of .373%. FT% of .809%%. 4.9 FT attempts per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 17.3.

Melo:: Consensus NCAA All-American First Team (2003). Big East Rookie of the Year (2003). NCAA Tournament Most Outstanding Player (2003). NCAA champion (2003). NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004). NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (2005). FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team (2006). All-NBA Second Team (2010). 4× All-NBA Third Team (2006–2007, 2009, 2012). 6× NBA All-Star (2007–2008, 2010–2013). 2x American Gold Medalist Olympian (2008-20012).

Gallo: 2× Italian League Best Player Under 22 (2007, 2008). Euroleague Rising Star (2008). Italian League MVP (2008).

Last but not least, if a clowns going to talk up Gallo of all players, well, then, that clown has no right talking down upon Carmelo Anthony. That's the definition of a hypocritical hypocrite.

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2/25/2013  3:08 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
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MS wrote:If Carmelo Anthony is such a great player and the superstar everyone believes he is, then why aren't the Knicks a much better team than the Nuggets?

2013
Knicks 33-20
Nuggets 35-22

2012
Knicks 36-30
Nuggets 38-28

That's all you really have to look at. Where the Knicks a great team before the trade? No. Are they a great team after the trade? NO.

Players aside, the Knicks future is non existent. We have no youth outside of Shumpert, traded every pick we have ever acquired and signed is aging or useless.

Do you think we beat Denver in the Playoffs, I am going to say it's doubtful. Would the Rockets beat us in the playoffs the probability is high. We don't do well in the half court or on the break. The East is a weak conference and yes we have the 3 seed, but that could change very quickly. This team, this franchise never deserves the benefit of the doubt. One playoff win, zero mental toughness and excuses, is NY Knick Basketball. Selfless wins games. Selfish is what this team has become.

Denver is where they are (or remained) because of coming out of Lawson and the drafting of Faried.

No spin needed.

Trading Felt-trash for Miller was pretty pretty good too.


More generally, they are where they are because they picked the right players to build with.
I doubt they would trade Gallo and Lawson for Melo right now. Or Gallo and Faried for Melo.

Maybe they wouldn't but neither would the Knicks (or most other teams). Denver would not make the trade because of previous history.

Also, you are not comparing apples to apples based on salary.

Did Denver pick the "right" players to build around? Time will tell.


They're a young group. They're most likely only going to get better.

Yeah, maybe they'll go back to playing .600 basketball every season like they did when they had Melo. I'd bet they even go to the WCF again, just like they did when they had Melo.

If only every team had Gallo and Lawson to build around!

Time will tell.

Enjoy those Nugget games!


uhhh they're playing above .600 ball right now.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/25/2013  3:21 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Gallo is an ok player. They could have let carmelo walk and spend that money on an equal or better player than Gallo. Once again, your argument is flawed.

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

You get so feisty when you defend or feel like you need to defend Gallo

It really is kind of adorable.

you keep making that claim yet never provided any players they could have signed... remember they got more than just gallo.... stop talking about flawed arguments here.. look in the mirror... LOL

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

LOL dude cut out the old, childish antics.. that will not bother me.. I don't care what you think about gallo, I only address silly statements, and would like for people to be upfront when they post... you are not being honest here.... so I call it like I see it.. thats all....

THey could have had enough money to give a poison pill contract to you know who.

I think denver is pretty excited about what they have.. they are 5th in a tough as nails confrence.. not sure any player available would have them any higher... they got the pieces to fit their team and style they want... they have young talent and future assets.. mission accomplished.

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/25/2013  3:23 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Melo:: 28.4 points, 6.5 boards, 2.7 assists, 0.5 blocks and 0.8 steals per game. FG% of .443%. 3PT% of .389%. FT% of .824%%. 7.5 FT attempts per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 23.3.

Gallo: 16.9 points, 5.4 boards, 2.4 assists, 0.6 blocks and 0.9 steals per game. FG% of .425%. 3PT% of .373%. FT% of .809%%. 4.9 FT attempts per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 17.3.

Melo:: Consensus NCAA All-American First Team (2003). Big East Rookie of the Year (2003). NCAA Tournament Most Outstanding Player (2003). NCAA champion (2003). NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004). NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (2005). FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team (2006). All-NBA Second Team (2010). 4× All-NBA Third Team (2006–2007, 2009, 2012). 6× NBA All-Star (2007–2008, 2010–2013). 2x American Gold Medalist Olympian (2008-20012).

Gallo: 2× Italian League Best Player Under 22 (2007, 2008). Euroleague Rising Star (2008). Italian League MVP (2008).

Last but not least, if a clowns going to talk up Gallo of all players, well, then, that clown has no right talking down upon Carmelo Anthony. That's the definition of a hypocritical hypocrite.

OMG, really?

I hate to go into the gutter with you with name calling but lets say what you right is pretty comical.

And I don't think you mean it that way.

You omit so much.

Drawing conclusions where there are none is very imaginary.

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2/25/2013  3:32 PM
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Gallo is an ok player. They could have let carmelo walk and spend that money on an equal or better player than Gallo. Once again, your argument is flawed.

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

You get so feisty when you defend or feel like you need to defend Gallo

It really is kind of adorable.

you keep making that claim yet never provided any players they could have signed... remember they got more than just gallo.... stop talking about flawed arguments here.. look in the mirror... LOL

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

LOL dude cut out the old, childish antics.. that will not bother me.. I don't care what you think about gallo, I only address silly statements, and would like for people to be upfront when they post... you are not being honest here.... so I call it like I see it.. thats all....

THey could have had enough money to give a poison pill contract to you know who.

I think denver is pretty excited about what they have.. they are 5th in a tough as nails confrence.. not sure any player available would have them any higher... they got the pieces to fit their team and style they want... they have young talent and future assets.. mission accomplished.

lol the West of today is nothing when compared to the years Melo played within the extremely tough Western Conference. During their golden years too.

Is this where we say congrats to Denver for being the 5th seed in a Western Conference that's nothing when compared to years back?

In 2007-2008 Melo's Nuggets were the 8th seed despite winning 50 games. That's how tough the Western Conference was during Melo's years.

Bragging about a 5th seed in the West of today? Wake me up when Gallo leads his Nuggets to the 2nd seed, 3rd seed, 4th seed and Western Conference Finals.

The West (as a whole) was much more elite during Melo's years when compared to Gallo's years of the Western Conference. Players such as Kobe and the Lakers, Duncan/Ginobili and the Spurs, Dirk and the Mavs etc were all much younger than what they are as of today.

Also, bottom postseason seeders of the West (of today) such as Houston, Utah and Golden State (8th, 7th and 6th seeds) would have been destroyed/dominated by the likes of the Kings with Bibby, Artest, Stojakovic, Vlade Divac. Suns with Nash/Amar'e/Shawn Marion. Houston with Francis, T-Mac, Battier, Yao Ming etc, etc. I'll give the west of today the Thunder, but overall? The West of today can not compare to the West of Melo's years. So congrats to a 5th seed and possibly worse. Wake me up when Gallo leads them to a 2nd and/or 3rd seed along with a trip to the Western Conference Finals.

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2/25/2013  3:39 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Gallo is an ok player. They could have let carmelo walk and spend that money on an equal or better player than Gallo. Once again, your argument is flawed.

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

You get so feisty when you defend or feel like you need to defend Gallo

It really is kind of adorable.

you keep making that claim yet never provided any players they could have signed... remember they got more than just gallo.... stop talking about flawed arguments here.. look in the mirror... LOL

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

LOL dude cut out the old, childish antics.. that will not bother me.. I don't care what you think about gallo, I only address silly statements, and would like for people to be upfront when they post... you are not being honest here.... so I call it like I see it.. thats all....

THey could have had enough money to give a poison pill contract to you know who.

I think denver is pretty excited about what they have.. they are 5th in a tough as nails confrence.. not sure any player available would have them any higher... they got the pieces to fit their team and style they want... they have young talent and future assets.. mission accomplished.

lol the West of today is nothing when compared to the years Melo played within the extremely tough Western Conference. During their golden years too.

Is this where we say congrats to Denver for being the 5th seed in a Western Conference that's nothing when compared to years back?

In 2007-2008 Melo's Nuggets were the 8th seed despite winning 50 games. That's how tough the Western Conference was during Melo's years.

Bragging about a 5th seed in the West of today? Wake me up when Gallo leads his Nuggets to the 2nd seed, 3rd seed, 4th seed and Western Conference Finals.

The West (as a whole) was much more elite during Melo's years when compared to Gallo's years of the Western Conference. Players such as Kobe and the Lakers, Duncan/Ginobili and the Spurs, Dirk and the Mavs etc were all much younger than what they are as of today.

Also, bottom postseason seeders of the West (of today) such as Houston, Utah and Golden State (8th, 7th and 6th seeds) would have been destroyed/dominated by the likes of the Kings with Bibby, Artest, Stojakovic, Vlade Divac. Suns with Nash/Amar'e/Shawn Marion. Houston with Francis, T-Mac, Battier, Yao Ming etc, etc. I'll give the west of today the Thunder, but overall? The West of today can not compare to the West of Melo's years. So congrats to a 5th seed and possibly worse. Wake me up when Gallo leads them to a 2nd and/or 3rd seed along with a trip to the Western Conference Finals.


this all just has to be an act...

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/25/2013  3:42 PM
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Gallo is an ok player. They could have let carmelo walk and spend that money on an equal or better player than Gallo. Once again, your argument is flawed.

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

You get so feisty when you defend or feel like you need to defend Gallo

It really is kind of adorable.

you keep making that claim yet never provided any players they could have signed... remember they got more than just gallo.... stop talking about flawed arguments here.. look in the mirror... LOL

As much as you take offense to people not believing in Gallo as a very good player, many feel that he has been at least a bit underwhelming.

LOL dude cut out the old, childish antics.. that will not bother me.. I don't care what you think about gallo, I only address silly statements, and would like for people to be upfront when they post... you are not being honest here.... so I call it like I see it.. thats all....

THey could have had enough money to give a poison pill contract to you know who.

I think denver is pretty excited about what they have.. they are 5th in a tough as nails confrence.. not sure any player available would have them any higher... they got the pieces to fit their team and style they want... they have young talent and future assets.. mission accomplished.

lol the West of today is nothing when compared to the years Melo played within the extremely tough Western Conference. During their golden years too.

Is this where we say congrats to Denver for being the 5th seed in a Western Conference that's nothing when compared to years back?

In 2007-2008 Melo's Nuggets were the 8th seed despite winning 50 games. That's how tough the Western Conference was during Melo's years.

Bragging about a 5th seed in the West of today? Wake me up when Gallo leads his Nuggets to the 2nd seed, 3rd seed, 4th seed and Western Conference Finals.

The West (as a whole) was much more elite during Melo's years when compared to Gallo's years of the Western Conference. Players such as Kobe and the Lakers, Duncan/Ginobili and the Spurs, Dirk and the Mavs etc were all much younger than what they are as of today.

Also, bottom postseason seeders of the West (of today) such as Houston, Utah and Golden State (8th, 7th and 6th seeds) would have been destroyed/dominated by the likes of the Kings with Bibby, Artest, Stojakovic, Vlade Divac. Suns with Nash/Amar'e/Shawn Marion. Houston with Francis, T-Mac, Battier, Yao Ming etc, etc. I'll give the west of today the Thunder, but overall? The West of today can not compare to the West of Melo's years. So congrats to a 5th seed and possibly worse. Wake me up when Gallo leads them to a 2nd and/or 3rd seed along with a trip to the Western Conference Finals.


this all just has to be an act...


We can only hope!
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2/25/2013  3:45 PM
NYKM is lumping the west! He forgets SAS then and now.

Its all about Gallo vs. Melo and little else.

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2/25/2013  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2013  3:50 PM
How many injuries have the Nuggets had to fight through here in 2012-2013? I;m not sure, but since the likes of TKF are Denver experts, maybe they could let me know...

Backup Center in Camby: 39 games missed.
Starting SF in Shumpert: 37 games missed.
Role playing Rasheed: 33 games missed.
Backup PF in Stodemire: 30 games missed.
Role playing Kurt Thomas: 22 games missed.
Starting PG in Felton: 12 games missed.
Starting PF in Carmelo: 7 games missed.
Starting 2G in Kidd: 5 games missed.

And in reality, once either Rasheed/Camby returns and/or Kenyon Martin joins the mix? Shumpert becomes our starting 2G while Amar'e becomes our starting PF.

And the fact that we've beat Denver 1-0 while featuring a better record when compared to Denver, despite these team injuries? Just goes to show that we're not only a better basketball team, but have a lot more depth as a team and can overcome injuries.

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2/25/2013  3:54 PM
NYKMentality wrote:How many injuries have the Nuggets had to fight through here in 2012-2013? I;m not sure, but since the likes of TKF are Denver experts, maybe they could let me know...

Backup Center in Camby: 39 games missed.
Starting SF in Shumpert: 37 games missed.
Role playing Rasheed: 33 games missed.
Backup PF in Stodemire: 30 games missed.
Role playing Kurt Thomas: 22 games missed.
Starting PG in Felton: 12 games missed.
Starting PF in Carmelo: 7 games missed.
Starting 2G in Kidd: 5 games missed.

And in reality, once either Rasheed/Camby returns and/or Kenyon Martin joins the mix? Shumpert becomes our starting 2G while Amar'e becomes our starting PF.

And the fact that we've beat Denver 1-0 while featuring a better record when compared to Denver, despite these team injuries? Just goes to show that we're not only a better basketball team, but have a lot more depth as a team and can overcome injuries.

Your really big on the past being a big predicter of the future.

so why would you think our team will escape injuries going forward?

Can you just select certain things to suit your desired outcome?

You think we get healthier? We just lost two to the Raptors? Does that mean we are worse?

We beat Miami twice, you think that.........

oh wait, of course you do!

You buy stocks after they go up also! I get you now!

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2/25/2013  4:00 PM
NYKMentality wrote:How many injuries have the Nuggets had to fight through here in 2012-2013? I;m not sure, but since the likes of TKF are Denver experts, maybe they could let me know...

Backup Center in Camby: 39 games missed.
Starting SF in Shumpert: 37 games missed.
Role playing Rasheed: 33 games missed.
Backup PF in Stodemire: 30 games missed.
Role playing Kurt Thomas: 22 games missed.
Starting PG in Felton: 12 games missed.
Starting PF in Carmelo: 7 games missed.
Starting 2G in Kidd: 5 games missed.

And in reality, once either Rasheed/Camby returns and/or Kenyon Martin joins the mix? Shumpert becomes our starting 2G while Amar'e becomes our starting PF.

And the fact that we've beat Denver 1-0 while featuring a better record when compared to Denver, despite these team injuries? Just goes to show that we're not only a better basketball team, but have a lot more depth as a team and can overcome injuries.

denver ranks 5th in power rankings while the knicks are 9th. due to the disparity in the strength of schedule of the two teams the nuggets are projected to finish the season with a better record and that's in the tougher of the two conferences. they have been surging and the knicks regressing. they are young and the knicks old. they are gelling and the knicks are still trying to figure it out. the nuggets are building a young team and are not expected to win now, the knicks are meant to contend and win now.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/25/2013  4:05 PM
Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

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2/25/2013  4:05 PM
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:How many injuries have the Nuggets had to fight through here in 2012-2013? I;m not sure, but since the likes of TKF are Denver experts, maybe they could let me know...

Backup Center in Camby: 39 games missed.
Starting SF in Shumpert: 37 games missed.
Role playing Rasheed: 33 games missed.
Backup PF in Stodemire: 30 games missed.
Role playing Kurt Thomas: 22 games missed.
Starting PG in Felton: 12 games missed.
Starting PF in Carmelo: 7 games missed.
Starting 2G in Kidd: 5 games missed.

And in reality, once either Rasheed/Camby returns and/or Kenyon Martin joins the mix? Shumpert becomes our starting 2G while Amar'e becomes our starting PF.

And the fact that we've beat Denver 1-0 while featuring a better record when compared to Denver, despite these team injuries? Just goes to show that we're not only a better basketball team, but have a lot more depth as a team and can overcome injuries.

denver ranks 5th in power rankings while the knicks are 9th. due to the disparity in the strength of schedule of the two teams the nuggets are projected to finish the season with a better record and that's in the tougher of the two conferences. they have been surging and the knicks regressing. they are young and the knicks old. they are gelling and the knicks are still trying to figure it out. the nuggets are building a young team and are not expected to win now, the knicks are meant to contend and win now.

but WHEN we get healthy then look out!!!!!!

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2/25/2013  4:11 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

Wrong. Defense Wins Championships come postseason play. And the Denver Nuggets? Have no defense. None whatsoever. Can't stop a nosebleed.

Only the Mavs, Bobcats, Rockets and Kings allow more points per game when compared to the Nuggets.

Deat meat come postseason play.

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2/25/2013  4:15 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

Wrong. Defense Wins Championships come postseason play. And the Denver Nuggets? Have no defense. None whatsoever. Can't stop a nosebleed.

Only the Mavs, Bobcats, Rockets and Kings allow more points per game when compared to the Nuggets.

Deat meat come postseason play.

PPG is a dumb stat. Have you looked at defensive efficiency?? Guess who is ahead?

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2/25/2013  6:02 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

Wrong. Defense Wins Championships come postseason play. And the Denver Nuggets? Have no defense. None whatsoever. Can't stop a nosebleed.

Only the Mavs, Bobcats, Rockets and Kings allow more points per game when compared to the Nuggets.

Deat meat come postseason play.

the bolded statement reminded me of this:

(sorry for going off topic)

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2/25/2013  6:10 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/25/2013  6:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2013  6:23 PM
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

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2/25/2013  7:20 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.

The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??

Lets just say ...

IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....

If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.

This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.

Thanks for saving me the typing. Lawson was gonna emerge either way. Faried is a PF and they may still have drafted him - but luck is luck.

Maybe they trade billups and get something too.

Not to go back and re-visit the actual trade, but lets take a closer look at our team pre-trade.

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