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2/9/2013  9:48 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Yikes
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Source says the Indiana Pacers and Chicago Bulls are among the teams pursuing Orlando Magic guard J.J. Redick.

The list is bigger.... Bucks are on it too as is Boston
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2/9/2013  9:50 PM
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:He's not overpaid at $4mil per but you can sign someone better like a Martell Webster in the offseason for the $3mil MLE and not lose Shump and insurance incase JR bolts.

Much better than adding a SF who doesn't solve rebounding and frontcourt issues

I'd say that's about $1.5 to $2 million more than Dudley should be paid.

That's not realistic to expect for a player who averages 10-12ppg a few ast/reb/stl, plays above average defense, and shoots 48-40-80 from the floor

You would play him at SG or SF?


Hard to say we have some positionless rotations...I'd probably lean more towards him playing the 2.

Which is where Phoenix is playing now. There is a reason PHX wants Shumpert. If you look dudley's minutes have been greatly reduced.
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2/9/2013  9:51 PM
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Yikes
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Source says the Indiana Pacers and Chicago Bulls are among the teams pursuing Orlando Magic guard J.J. Redick.

The list is bigger.... Bucks are on it too as is Boston

Wow he'd be a great fit in Boston with Terry old and struggling

Don't know why the Bucks would be interested unless they were trading Ellis
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2/9/2013  9:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2013  9:54 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:He's not overpaid at $4mil per but you can sign someone better like a Martell Webster in the offseason for the $3mil MLE and not lose Shump and insurance incase JR bolts.

Much better than adding a SF who doesn't solve rebounding and frontcourt issues

I'd say that's about $1.5 to $2 million more than Dudley should be paid.

That's not realistic to expect for a player who averages 10-12ppg a few ast/reb/stl, plays above average defense, and shoots 48-40-80 from the floor

You would play him at SG or SF?


Hard to say we have some positionless rotations...I'd probably lean more towards him playing the 2.

Which is where Phoenix is playing now. There is a reason PHX wants Shumpert. If you look dudley's minutes have been greatly reduced.

That coincided with the coaching change. While his minutes have dipped some it's more inconsistent than anything else. He plays volume one night, then sparingly another, then volume, then sparingly, then sparingly, then volume.

Not saying SG is his natural position by no means but on our team I don't think it would matter.
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2/9/2013  9:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2013  9:57 PM
We saw what playing Landry Fields and Brewer out of position can do to this team defensively. Not quick enough to guard opposing SGs. Most teams in todays nba come at you with a small lightning quick SG. 6-7 225LB Dudley ain't gonna cut it.

Beauty of Shumpert once he gets his legs back is his ability to guard both small and bigger 2's
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2/9/2013  9:58 PM
gunsnewing wrote:We saw what playing Landry Fields and Brewer out of position can do to this team defensively. Not quick enough to guard opposing SGs. Most teams in todays nba come at you with a small lightning quick SG. 6-7 225LB Dudley ain't gonna cut it.

Beauty of Shumpert once he gets his legs back is his ability to guard both small and bigger 2's

We do so much switching on D, mixed with some zoning, we only go man in certain situations depending on the team. Melo can't guard 4s yet he does it often.
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2/9/2013  10:05 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:We saw what playing Landry Fields and Brewer out of position can do to this team defensively. Not quick enough to guard opposing SGs. Most teams in todays nba come at you with a small lightning quick SG. 6-7 225LB Dudley ain't gonna cut it.

Beauty of Shumpert once he gets his legs back is his ability to guard both small and bigger 2's

We do so much switching on D, mixed with some zoning, we only go man in certain situations depending on the team. Melo can't guard 4s yet he does it often.

A huge problem we face is Felton, Kidd, Prigs and a broken Shumpert's inability to keep guards in front of them. Putting Dudley on top will be a disaster.

If we brought it Dudley to play SF eventhough I'm not a fan of Melo at the 4 I would deal with it. Problem is the whole point of this is for Phoenix to steal Shumpert and improve their defense. Give them their backcourt of the future with Dragic & Shump. Hey kinda like Lin & Shump!
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2/9/2013  10:31 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:We saw what playing Landry Fields and Brewer out of position can do to this team defensively. Not quick enough to guard opposing SGs. Most teams in todays nba come at you with a small lightning quick SG. 6-7 225LB Dudley ain't gonna cut it.

Beauty of Shumpert once he gets his legs back is his ability to guard both small and bigger 2's

We do so much switching on D, mixed with some zoning, we only go man in certain situations depending on the team. Melo can't guard 4s yet he does it often.

A huge problem we face is Felton, Kidd, Prigs and a broken Shumpert's inability to keep guards in front of them. Putting Dudley on top will be a disaster.

If we brought it Dudley to play SF eventhough I'm not a fan of Melo at the 4 I would deal with it. Problem is the whole point of this is for Phoenix to steal Shumpert and improve their defense. Give them their backcourt of the future with Dragic & Shump. Hey kinda like Lin & Shump!


Dudley is a nice luxury, but there s a reason his minutes have been limited over the years (when the Suns where good). He's a tweener and he needs to be put in the right situation and the salary cap scheme really starts to penalize teams for having such "luxuries." Like I said, I want one of their first-rounders in this year's draft and a second-rounder to even consider this.
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2/9/2013  10:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2013  11:00 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:We saw what playing Landry Fields and Brewer out of position can do to this team defensively. Not quick enough to guard opposing SGs. Most teams in todays nba come at you with a small lightning quick SG. 6-7 225LB Dudley ain't gonna cut it.

Beauty of Shumpert once he gets his legs back is his ability to guard both small and bigger 2's

We do so much switching on D, mixed with some zoning, we only go man in certain situations depending on the team. Melo can't guard 4s yet he does it often.

A huge problem we face is Felton, Kidd, Prigs and a broken Shumpert's inability to keep guards in front of them. Putting Dudley on top will be a disaster.

If we brought it Dudley to play SF eventhough I'm not a fan of Melo at the 4 I would deal with it. Problem is the whole point of this is for Phoenix to steal Shumpert and improve their defense. Give them their backcourt of the future with Dragic & Shump. Hey kinda like Lin & Shump!


Dragic and Shump would be nice(but still ways away from being a problem) at the same time we're in WIN NOW mode right? Dudley is a better player now compared to Shump. Shump has upside, I'm not questioning that at all but what I don't get why is it now fans are trying to hang on to the last young talent we have like the "crowd who misses the other young talent we had."

No one cared about giving up Gallo/Chandler/Moz/AR/Lee/Nate/Lin/Fields picks galore...... why care about giving up Shump who is just 1 young talent in a field of old crops?

We tried to big up Ronnie Brewer playing 2 guard thinking he was going to be this lock down defender, knowing offensively he was trash and what has he done for us the past month and a half?

Overall I'm meh on the trade in general. If a pick were to truly be involved I may be inclined to want the trade to happen but this season's Shump is not going to get us anywhere and trading him for Dudley doesn't do much either. The last thing I'd be concerned with though, is what position Dudley would play.
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2/9/2013  10:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2013  10:53 PM
if you told me were getting Marcin Gortat or any solid front court player then its a no brainer...folks we need FRONTCOURT help!...dudley is a system guy and good shooter...but he doesnt solve our problems
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2/9/2013  10:55 PM
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:We saw what playing Landry Fields and Brewer out of position can do to this team defensively. Not quick enough to guard opposing SGs. Most teams in todays nba come at you with a small lightning quick SG. 6-7 225LB Dudley ain't gonna cut it.

Beauty of Shumpert once he gets his legs back is his ability to guard both small and bigger 2's

We do so much switching on D, mixed with some zoning, we only go man in certain situations depending on the team. Melo can't guard 4s yet he does it often.

A huge problem we face is Felton, Kidd, Prigs and a broken Shumpert's inability to keep guards in front of them. Putting Dudley on top will be a disaster.

If we brought it Dudley to play SF eventhough I'm not a fan of Melo at the 4 I would deal with it. Problem is the whole point of this is for Phoenix to steal Shumpert and improve their defense. Give them their backcourt of the future with Dragic & Shump. Hey kinda like Lin & Shump!


Dragic and Shump would be nice(but still ways away from being a problem) at the same time we're in WIN NOW mode right? Dudley is a better player now compared to Shump. Shump has upside that I'm not questioning that at all but what I don't get why is it now fans are trying to hang on to the last young talent we have like the "crowd who misses the other young talent we had."

No one cared about giving up Gallo/Chandler/Moz/AR/Lee/Nate/Lin/Fields picks galore...... why care about giving up Shump who is just 1 young talent in a field of old crops?

We tried to big up Ronnie Brewer playing 2 guard thinking he was going to be this lock down defender, knowing offensively he was trash and what has he done for us the past month and a half?

Overall I'm meh on the trade in general. If a pick were to truly be involved I may be inclined to want the trade to happen but this season's Shump is not going to get us anywhere and trading him for Dudley doesn't do much either. The last thing I'd be concerned with though, is what position Dudley would play.

We got Melo for those guys. Dudley is not not Melo. Not worth the trouble imo

Do wish we had kept Lee though
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2/9/2013  11:05 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:We saw what playing Landry Fields and Brewer out of position can do to this team defensively. Not quick enough to guard opposing SGs. Most teams in todays nba come at you with a small lightning quick SG. 6-7 225LB Dudley ain't gonna cut it.

Beauty of Shumpert once he gets his legs back is his ability to guard both small and bigger 2's

We do so much switching on D, mixed with some zoning, we only go man in certain situations depending on the team. Melo can't guard 4s yet he does it often.

A huge problem we face is Felton, Kidd, Prigs and a broken Shumpert's inability to keep guards in front of them. Putting Dudley on top will be a disaster.

If we brought it Dudley to play SF eventhough I'm not a fan of Melo at the 4 I would deal with it. Problem is the whole point of this is for Phoenix to steal Shumpert and improve their defense. Give them their backcourt of the future with Dragic & Shump. Hey kinda like Lin & Shump!


Dragic and Shump would be nice(but still ways away from being a problem) at the same time we're in WIN NOW mode right? Dudley is a better player now compared to Shump. Shump has upside that I'm not questioning that at all but what I don't get why is it now fans are trying to hang on to the last young talent we have like the "crowd who misses the other young talent we had."

No one cared about giving up Gallo/Chandler/Moz/AR/Lee/Nate/Lin/Fields picks galore...... why care about giving up Shump who is just 1 young talent in a field of old crops?

We tried to big up Ronnie Brewer playing 2 guard thinking he was going to be this lock down defender, knowing offensively he was trash and what has he done for us the past month and a half?

Overall I'm meh on the trade in general. If a pick were to truly be involved I may be inclined to want the trade to happen but this season's Shump is not going to get us anywhere and trading him for Dudley doesn't do much either. The last thing I'd be concerned with though, is what position Dudley would play.

We got Melo for those guys. Dudley is not not Melo. Not worth the trouble imo

Do wish we had kept Lee though

We did not get Melo for all the young talent we gave up let go just to name a few...

Lin
Fields
Lee
Nate

Had we kept Lee then there probably is no Melo as the 2010 summer would have been an Amar'e/Lee off-season.
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2/9/2013  11:09 PM
Fields is talented enough to match the contract the Raptors gave him? I think not
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2/9/2013  11:23 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Fields is talented enough to match the contract the Raptors gave him? I think not

S&T and get a 2nd rounder or something...
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2/9/2013  11:34 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:Fields is talented enough to match the contract the Raptors gave him? I think not

S&T and get a 2nd rounder or something...

No way. For Fields? We'd be stuck with his ridiculous contract like Toronto is now
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2/9/2013  11:35 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:Fields is talented enough to match the contract the Raptors gave him? I think not

S&T and get a 2nd rounder or something...

If we match the contract the Raptors prolly don't do a s&t. The whole purpose of them signing Fields was to prevent us from getting Nash. Thankfully, Karma was a bitch and the Raptors lost out on Nash and got stuck with Fields.

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2/9/2013  11:48 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Source says the New York Knicks have some interest in Jared Dudley. No word on who they would offer or if talks have taken place.

Goodbye Shumpert? Winds up in PHX afterall? Knicks will not have patience with Shumpert. We talking New York Knicks here.

Don't know how reliable this source is but usually where there's smoke there's fire. He starts in place of Shump or Kidd? Or gives us more scoring depth off the bench when Amare starts?

Good 3pt shooter at 39%
48% from the field

This story & twitter is backwards
there aint no truth to that twist that way presented

Its the Suns interested in I.Shumpert primarily more than Knicks being interested in Jared Dudley

there is no way Knicks is dealing Shump to Sunland for this guy & 1st rnd pick

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2/9/2013  11:56 PM
I would not do the trade. I like Dudley, but the guy is slow and there is no way he can guard a D-Wade on the perimeter. I still think Shumpert will turn into an above-average SG, once he has a full healthy summer to work on his shooting. Plus, Shumpert is still on his rookie contract. If we could get Dudley in a deal that sent Copeland (who is a good player), Thomas, and White to the Suns, then I would do it, as Dudley would be a good backup at SF and SG. However, I would not deal him for Shumpert. The kid has too much potential and we really have no one else on the team with his defensive ability (as Brewer's lack of offense prevents him from playing big minutes).
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2/10/2013  12:01 AM
3G4G wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Dudley is a solid player, but he's overpaid. I think we'd be doing the Suns a favor by taking him off their hands. I hang up as soon as they say "Shu"....But I have to listen if thrown in some picks. I'd do the trade if it put us in CJ McCollum-Michael Carter-Williams range and they throw in another second-rounder.

So making $4mil/yr is overpaid for a solid player who actually can play offense and defense?


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So if we get him for 4mil then what do we pay JR Smith to keep him here? or do we loose him for nothing.

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2/10/2013  12:17 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Fields is talented enough to match the contract the Raptors gave him? I think not

S&T and get a 2nd rounder or something...

No way. For Fields? We'd be stuck with his ridiculous contract like Toronto is now

No we should have S&T him to Toronto and got a 2nd rounder for him.

Besides having Fields on the books for 3yrs is no more tortuous than any other albatross contract we currently have on the roster. You guys are acting like he got 2005 Full MLE money he didn't.
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