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Remember Before the Season Melo Said He Would Do What it Takes To Win?
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1/30/2013  7:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2013  7:34 PM
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tkf wrote: He also said that he wouldn't be making scoring his priority.. yet he still takes a lot of shots and is avg more PPG than last year..

How about defense? does he plan on playing any of that consistently?

passing?

How about keeping cool, being poised and being a leader? that is part of helping your team win, yet he stands outside the celtics bus, and is near the top of the league in tech fouls..

carmelo is not being mocked.. many of us have seen this from him before... scoring especially.... I think the knicks hot start had a lot to do with a lot of guys playing and shooting well above their averages.... now that has tapered our record has not been so good.. yet carmelo still scores, still rebounds... right? so tell me, what is missing , maybe he should be doing something else?

just saying...

What a freaking hypocritical hypocrite you are. You talk up your little boy lover in Gallo and bash Melo 24/7.

You talk about Melo's scoring? Melo's at 29.4 points per game when compared to Gallo's 16.8.

You talk about Melo's shooting? Melo's FG% is at .452% when compared to Gallo's .418.

You talk about Melo's defense? Melo's been our strongest Knick defender here in 2012-2013 while Gallo is a laughing stock joke on defense.

You talk about Melo's passing? Melo's averaging 2.6 assists per game when compared to Gallo's 2.4.

You talk about Melo's rebounding? Melo's averaging 6.2 boards per game when compared to Gallo's 5.3.

You talk about the Knicks record under Melo? Melo's 24-11 while Gallo's only 28-17.

So yea, Melo's 2nd amongst all NBA players in scoring while featuring the NBA's 7th strongest Player Efficiency Rating. Why has Melo has to score in order for our Knicks to win ball games? Because our guards rank dead last in shooting percentage and Jason Kidd missed 4 games, without Raymond Felton for 12 games, without Kurt Thomas for 15 games, without Rasheed Wallace for 22 games, without Marcus Camby for 28 games, without Amar'e Stoudemire for 30 games and without Iman Shumpert for 37 games.

But yet, we're still 24-11 with Melo leading the way. A winning percentage of .686% during games in which Melo has led the way as the NBA's 2nd leading scorer. And only the Spurs, Thunder and Clippers have a winning percentage greater than .686%. Keep scoring Melo. Because that's all the Knicks do is win under Melo's scoring ability.

I think you would not see the issue with Melo going 15-50 in a game.

You would just say: "Melo score 30 points!! HA! And you said that he is not efficient! SMH"

I am a Melo fan because I see that he has the ability to do what 99 percent of the players can't. He just needs to play smarter.

And you would respond: "Smarter? what a dope you are! We are in first place and you know why? Meeeeeeeeeeelo?"

And I will just shake my head in dismay ...

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1/30/2013  8:07 PM
dk7th wrote:the problem with the stats you use to make your case is that they are being used to the exclusion of other stats that are perhaps a bit more reflective of the fluidness of the game. in other words, many of the stats you are using are relatively "static."

take the easiest one:

1)field goal percentage. since the advent of the 3-point line FG% is basically obsolete for all positions but center and the occasional power forward. i think you understand why this must be: it's because almost all positions but center shoot the 3 ball.

for that we use the eFG%. here gallinari is shooting a slightly below average 49.4 but he is slowly climbing to his career average. meanwhile melo is above his career average of 48.0-- he is at 51.4 but has been slowly regressing. eventually their averages will cross paths.

Yea, right, "eventually". And eventually Carmelo Anthony will lead our Knicks to a championship. See what you can do with the word "eventually"?

Why do I continue to state that Melo has led our Knicks to a record of 24-11 during Melo's 35 games? Because Melo's our franchise leader. Melo's our team MVP. He's our greatest all around talent, the greatest Knick since Ewing, one of the greatest scoring phenom's our franhchise has ever featured and like it or not? But Melo's the face of our franchise as of right now, and potentially moving forward for many of years to come.

As a franchise, we traded for Melo. Melo himself forced his way out of Denver for New York City. And During Melo's first full season as a Knick, Melo's (already) led us to first place of our Atlantic Division, 2nd Place of the entire Eastern Conference, 6th strongest record amongst all NBA teams. Our Knicks have a winning percentage of .686 during games in which Melo has played (24-11), ranks 2nd behind only Kevin Durant (the scoring champ) in points per game, has been a topic of conversation and/or 'in the talk's' when reviewing potential MVP's, heading to another well deserved all-star appearance. As a starter too.

But yet, you have the nerve to not only bring up Melo's FG percentage(s) but also compare them to Gallo of all players? Lets look at their actual FG percentages.

Melo: 2012-2013: .452 FG%
Gallo: 2012-2013: .418 FG%

Melo: Career: .456 FG%.
Gallo: Career: .420 FG%.

But yet, "eventually" they'll "cross paths" in regards to FG percentage. Yea, right. Gallo's been in the league for 5 years now, but yet, their field goal percentages will "cross paths". What a tool remark. What those career field goal percentages fail to show (in regards to Melo vs Gallo) is that Melo's shots have always been contested. Every drive. Every finish. Every pull up. Every 4th quarter. Every clutch game winner. Every trip down the court. Every stop and pop. Melo dating back to his rookie season has always been the center of attention in regards to opposing defenses. Gallo on the other hand? Not so much. Which means that his career FG percentage of only .420% is even less impressive than what it already is.

Also, since you're talking about "trends" and/or FG percentages eventually "crossing paths", would it also safe to say that Melo's becoming a better 3 PT shooter when compared to Gallo? Would it be safe to say that Gallo's an overrated shooter from beyond the arc? Or, because it's not harping all over Melo himself, would that not fit your personal agenda against Carmelo Anthony? Would it be fare to say that Melo and Gallo's career three point shooting percentages will eventually cross paths?

Since becoming a Knick Melo has put up three point shooting percentages of .424% (2010-2011), .335% (2011-2012) and .420% (2012-2013).
Since becoming a Nuggets Gallo has put up three point shooting percentages of .370 (2010-2011), .328 (2011-2013) and .370 (2012-2013).

Since the trade which sent Gallo packing with the pink slip for Melo? Three point shooting percentage wise? Melo's kicked Gallo's ass for going on 2.5 years now. At this clip, eventually Melo will pass Gallo in regards to career three point shooting percentage.

So is this where we say congrats to Gallo for having a career FT% of .846% when compared to Melo's .807? Yea, right, as if free throw shooting percentage makes an offensive force and/or show's how Gallo's a "better" overall shootern when compared to Melo.


dk7th wrote: additionally, there is the ability to draw fouls and get to the line. this is a talent and the better players in the league tend to draw more fouls. agreed?

Yep. I agree.

Melo: 681 games played.
Gallo: 259 games played.

Melo: Career: 4,262 free throws made/5,284 free throws attempted.
Gallo: Career: 978 free throws made/1,156 free throws attempted.

The ability to draw fouls and get to the line right? This talent is a sign of some of the best players in the league, correct?

Melo: 7.7 free throws attempted per game.
Gallo: 4.4 free throws attempted per game.

As you can see, Melo is a lot more effective at drawing fouls as he plays bully ball down low.
As you can see, Gallo isn't able to get to the free throw line with as much success when compared to a Carmelo Anthony.

Melo: 6.25 free throws made per game.
Gallo: 3.6 free throws made per game.

Guess who's put up more points per game, from the free throw line? Melo. Why? Because he's a great player who (unlike Gallo) can get to the free throw line at will.

CAREER POINTS PER GAME:
MELO: 24.9.
GALLO: 14.5.

CAREER FG%:
MELO: .456%
GALLO: .419%.

Melo: 7.7 free throws attempted per game.
Gallo: 4.4 free throws attempted per game.

Try harder next time. Until then? I have a Knicks game to catch. 31-31 heading into the 2nd quarter as our Knicks are trying to go 25-11 during games in which Melo has played. Trying to go 28-15 as a team. Felton just produced putting up 12 points and 1 assist. Chandler with 9 points, 1 board and 1 assist. Melo himself had a decent first quarter with 5 points (2/4), 2 boards, 2 assists, 1 block and 0 turnovers. Looking forward to Melo dropping 34+ tonight.

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1/30/2013  8:40 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Its funny how things change. In LA the Lakers go three and three over their last 6 games and in NY the Knicks go 4-2 and the guy in LA is an offensive genius, his players have finally figured out his system and his star is 'buying in'. In NY the star carries his team to a victory having an amazing game, scoring 42 points and he is what is wrong with the team that may be in first in the east by the all star break.

3-0 since Kobe bought in

Thx gunsnewing! In the early days Kobe for a very short time was doing what MDA wanted in terms of looking to make his teammates better but he quickly went back to chucking and in addition D12 and Pau started to bitch and complain and when the top players don't lead by buying in and giving max effort the whole team suffers.

CrushAlot always goes back to the same crap but can never refute my constant refrain about Spacing, Ball n Player movement which is the heart of what MDA preaches. He wasn't wrong and never has been when it comes to his core philosophy. We see that on this Knick team now. Things are better when they move the ball and work as a team. Otherwise you're stuck hoping Melo is super hot or else you lose. That's why the team is inconsistent.

Yeah, I just don't get it. Maybe I should start typing, "I know what I am talking about," in caps and then I would get it. 15-20, talk of player mutinee, complaints that the coach won't change, rumors that D!@ won't resign if D'Antoni is coach...etc, those are things I get. I also don't think a ton of dysfunction and issues go away because a team wins three games. Also, one of the biggest complaints on the post game shows by Worthy and Rambis was that D'Antoni wouldn't confront/communicate with Kobe and tell him what he needed to do. Someone did or Kobe figured it out but I don't think it was the guy that says he will just get paid to play golf if this doesn't work out.
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1/30/2013  10:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2013  10:06 PM
And yet another really good game from Melo tonight. Once again led our Knicks with 39 minutes. 8/17 from the field while going 2/2 from the free throw line. 20 points. Also put up 7 boards, 5 assists and 1 block. Only 1 turnover along with a +20 differential.

The Knicks won the ball game while improving to 28-15 overall and/or 25-11 during games in which Melo has played.

And speaking of all this "losing" the Knicks have been doing "under Melo", I find it quite funny because the last time I checked we've gone 5-2 during our last 7 games while Melo had led all players (both teams) in scoring during 5 out of those 7 games. Even tonight finished 2nd (team) in scoring (20) behind only Tyon's 21 despite the fact that Orlando's defense was structured to (attempt to) stop Carmelo Anthony's offensive fire power.

Yea, right, stop scoring Melo. What a joke.

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1/30/2013  10:22 PM
NYKMentality wrote:And yet another really good game from Melo tonight. Once again led our Knicks with 39 minutes. 8/17 from the field while going 2/2 from the free throw line. 20 points. Also put up 7 boards, 5 assists and 1 block. Only 1 turnover along with a +20 differential.

The Knicks won the ball game while improving to 28-15 overall and/or 25-11 during games in which Melo has played.

And speaking of all this "losing" the Knicks have been doing "under Melo", I find it quite funny because the last time I checked we've gone 5-2 during our last 7 games while Melo had led all players (both teams) in scoring during 5 out of those 7 games. Even tonight finished 2nd (team) in scoring (20) behind only Tyon's 21 despite the fact that Orlando's defense was structured to (attempt to) stop Carmelo Anthony's offensive fire power.

Yea, right, stop scoring Melo. What a joke.

20pts 7rebs 5assists 47% shooting. GREAT GAME. This is what this thread is about

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1/30/2013  10:38 PM
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NYKMentality wrote:And yet another really good game from Melo tonight. Once again led our Knicks with 39 minutes. 8/17 from the field while going 2/2 from the free throw line. 20 points. Also put up 7 boards, 5 assists and 1 block. Only 1 turnover along with a +20 differential.

The Knicks won the ball game while improving to 28-15 overall and/or 25-11 during games in which Melo has played.

And speaking of all this "losing" the Knicks have been doing "under Melo", I find it quite funny because the last time I checked we've gone 5-2 during our last 7 games while Melo had led all players (both teams) in scoring during 5 out of those 7 games. Even tonight finished 2nd (team) in scoring (20) behind only Tyon's 21 despite the fact that Orlando's defense was structured to (attempt to) stop Carmelo Anthony's offensive fire power.

Yea, right, stop scoring Melo. What a joke.

20pts 7rebs 5assists 47% shooting. GREAT GAME. This is what this thread is about

Why? Because he "only scored" 20 points, so this now becomes a great game as if it's happened out of "no where" and/or "what you've been talking about"?

As if his game against ATL going 15/28, 42 points, 5 boards and 1 assists also wasn't great only 3 nights ago? Or what about on December 11th of 2012 in which Melo put up 45 points off 15/24 shooting, 5 boards and 3 assists during a 100-97 Knicks victory @ Brooklyn. What about the last time we played Orlando on 1/5/2012 when Melo dropped 40 points off 14/29 shooting to go along with 6 boards, 6 assists and 1 steal. What about on the 20th of November against the Hornets? Melo dropped 29 points off 12/22 shooting to go along with 6 boards and 4 assists? You can go on and on in regards to Melo.

Tonight was nothing different out of Melo. Just another very good to great performance. It's been happening all season long too. Which is why we're now 25-11 during games in which Melo has played.

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1/30/2013  10:40 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Why? Because he "only scored" 20 points

No man. Nevermind

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1/30/2013  10:43 PM
NYKMentality wrote:And yet another really good game from Melo tonight. Once again led our Knicks with 39 minutes. 8/17 from the field while going 2/2 from the free throw line. 20 points. Also put up 7 boards, 5 assists and 1 block. Only 1 turnover along with a +20 differential.

The Knicks won the ball game while improving to 28-15 overall and/or 25-11 during games in which Melo has played.

And speaking of all this "losing" the Knicks have been doing "under Melo", I find it quite funny because the last time I checked we've gone 5-2 during our last 7 games while Melo had led all players (both teams) in scoring during 5 out of those 7 games. Even tonight finished 2nd (team) in scoring (20) behind only Tyon's 21 despite the fact that Orlando's defense was structured to (attempt to) stop Carmelo Anthony's offensive fire power.

Yea, right, stop scoring Melo. What a joke.

good game..as long as it's not 11 for 31

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1/31/2013  6:33 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:And yet another really good game from Melo tonight. Once again led our Knicks with 39 minutes. 8/17 from the field while going 2/2 from the free throw line. 20 points. Also put up 7 boards, 5 assists and 1 block. Only 1 turnover along with a +20 differential.

The Knicks won the ball game while improving to 28-15 overall and/or 25-11 during games in which Melo has played.

And speaking of all this "losing" the Knicks have been doing "under Melo", I find it quite funny because the last time I checked we've gone 5-2 during our last 7 games while Melo had led all players (both teams) in scoring during 5 out of those 7 games. Even tonight finished 2nd (team) in scoring (20) behind only Tyon's 21 despite the fact that Orlando's defense was structured to (attempt to) stop Carmelo Anthony's offensive fire power.

Yea, right, stop scoring Melo. What a joke.

good game..as long as it's not 11 for 31

good game. We won. Like alot of other games. Melo does things and we win.
Now all he needs to to is the same things so we win every game, just like he promised.

Then we can get back to explaining why he's not Kobe, he's not Lebron and he destroyed MDA.
Oh yeah, and how Melo's "fluidity" stats suhuuck.
Unfricking real.

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1/31/2013  7:10 AM
jrodmc wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:And yet another really good game from Melo tonight. Once again led our Knicks with 39 minutes. 8/17 from the field while going 2/2 from the free throw line. 20 points. Also put up 7 boards, 5 assists and 1 block. Only 1 turnover along with a +20 differential.

The Knicks won the ball game while improving to 28-15 overall and/or 25-11 during games in which Melo has played.

And speaking of all this "losing" the Knicks have been doing "under Melo", I find it quite funny because the last time I checked we've gone 5-2 during our last 7 games while Melo had led all players (both teams) in scoring during 5 out of those 7 games. Even tonight finished 2nd (team) in scoring (20) behind only Tyon's 21 despite the fact that Orlando's defense was structured to (attempt to) stop Carmelo Anthony's offensive fire power.

Yea, right, stop scoring Melo. What a joke.

good game..as long as it's not 11 for 31

good game. We won. Like alot of other games. Melo does things and we win.
Now all he needs to to is the same things so we win every game, just like he promised.

Then we can get back to explaining why he's not Kobe, he's not Lebron and he destroyed MDA.
Oh yeah, and how Melo's "fluidity" stats suhuuck.
Unfricking real.

some guys will never be happy and every compliment given is coupled by a backhanded insult or negative comment. Knick fans are a comedic bunch.

Melo...good game bro, congrats on the records and lets keep it going

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/31/2013  8:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2013  8:18 AM
Remember when Melo Stated He Would Do What It Takes To Win?

Well don't look now, but our Knicks are now 25-11 during games in which Melo has played.

We're in second place of the Entire Eastern Conference 43 games into the regular season and we're also first place of our Atlantic Division during only Melo's first (full) season as a Knick.

The Atlantic Division is something we've only seen two times under the Ewing era and also something in which our franchise hasn't done since 1994; Hang an Atlantic Division Banner. Melo's on the verge of leading our Knicks to our first Atlantic Division claim since 1994, during only his first season as a Knick at that. I thank the basketball God's for Melo forcing his way out of Denver in order to become the face and/or franchise leader of our New York Knicks moving forward.

25-11 during games in which Melo has played. Only 3-4 without Melo. You know what makes this 25-11 record that much more impressive? Is that due to injury, Melo has done what it takes to lead our team from arena to arena (as our franchise player/leader), including playing out of position as a natural SF who's being asked to bang down low against much larger BIG's at the PF position.

I know the answer, but does anyone else know the winning percentage of 25-11? Why do I get that feeling that a Melo critic will refuse to answer the percentage of 25-11? Because it doesn't fit their agenda. That's why. Please, Melo critics; prove me wrong...

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1/31/2013  8:26 AM
the problem is that he might chase a bus in the playoffs
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1/31/2013  8:30 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:the problem is that he might chase a bus in the playoffs

just to help them change the tires. Melo has no problem assisting these days

See how I turned your attempt at negativity into a positive? We won the games, why not say something good instead of baiting or was that an attempt at humor. I didn't see a smiley face or anything so, I'm not sure.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/31/2013  8:36 AM
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IronWillGiroud wrote:the problem is that he might chase a bus in the playoffs

just to help them change the tires. Melo has no problem assisting these days

See how I turned your attempt at negativity into a positive? We won the games, why not say something good instead of baiting or was that an attempt at humor. I didn't see a smiley face or anything so, I'm not sure.


enjoying the winning season, but the season was never a problem for melo,

it's the worst playoffs record out of any player in the nba, by far

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1/31/2013  8:43 AM

When you sell StarMooby as the savior the expectations become unreal.

Stripped of the hype the kid is having a great season. This team is different than his Denver days as they are a more mature bunch of vets instead of the ink thirsty group who had a world of talent but were just young, rich and trying to get their cred, money, and respect.

This team besides JR has its money and guys like Sheed and Kidd have the legacy but the others are chasing it.

Is melo doing what it takes? On most nights the answer is yes. Is he a diva? Sometimes. Is he perfect? No. Is he MVP? Likely not at that level. Does it matter? Not really.

This team is about Melo-Stat-Chandler-Felton and JR. this is your crunch time line up. this is where the chemistry has to happen, where the "magic" needs to be created with. This is game 7 of a series with 5 minutes and the game is tied. These are the guys.

Sit back and see if it unfolds.

the questions you seek will be answered in time. Not on the threads, but on the court.

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1/31/2013  8:46 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:the problem is that he might chase a bus in the playoffs

just to help them change the tires. Melo has no problem assisting these days

See how I turned your attempt at negativity into a positive? We won the games, why not say something good instead of baiting or was that an attempt at humor. I didn't see a smiley face or anything so, I'm not sure.


enjoying the winning season, but the season was never a problem for melo,

it's the worst playoffs record out of any player in the nba, by far

and having no help, no point guard and a gutted Knick squad really was/is a recipe for success. Your tolling after a win....wtf

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/31/2013  9:28 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:the problem is that he might chase a bus in the playoffs

You're right I hope the Knicks trade him before that happens.
Someone should let the Clippers know about that time Chris Paul went to the Celtics locker room looking for Rondo. I know he did it back when he was in New Orleans but that doesnt matter. Just like Melo, Chris is bound to repeat his actions based off that one time. Trade him quickly Clips before its too late.
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1/31/2013  9:48 AM
You gotta make it to the playoffs to have a playoff record right?

Knicks weren't even doing that before Melo.

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1/31/2013  9:55 AM
AnubisADL wrote:You gotta make it to the playoffs to have a playoff record right?

Knicks weren't even doing that before Melo.


Would you have rather gotten lottery picks the last two years or lost 8 of 9 playoff games?
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1/31/2013  9:58 AM
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AnubisADL wrote:You gotta make it to the playoffs to have a playoff record right?

Knicks weren't even doing that before Melo.


Would you have rather gotten lottery picks the last two years or lost 8 of 9 playoff games?

We got lottery picks with Frye, Gallo, and Hill. I rather be in the playoffs.

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