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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
1/12/2013 2:20 PM LAST EDITED: 1/12/2013 2:21 PM
Again this post was based on the fact we should've waited for free agency like the original plan and got melo. Like what Miami did with If u don't get it you're not thinking. Walsh wanted 2wait. Dolan should've listened.lbj
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toad
Posts: 20210 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/14/2012 Member: #4338 |
1/12/2013 2:41 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Again this post was based on the fact we should've waited for free agency like the original plan and got melo. Like what Miami did with If u don't get it you're not thinking. Walsh wanted 2wait. Dolan should've listened.lbj He would've been traded to NJ. Directive #1: get paid. |
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
1/12/2013 2:44 PM LAST EDITED: 1/12/2013 2:45 PM
toad wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Again this post was based on the fact we should've waited for free agency like the original plan and got melo. Like what Miami did with If u don't get it you're not thinking. Walsh wanted 2wait. Dolan should've listened.lbj This^ This is why you can't kill the Melo trade. We gave up too many assets but Melo backed us in a corner where we had to pull the trigger or watch him light it up for the Nyets. Feel free to kill Dolan for everything else though |
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Papabear
Posts: 24373 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 3/31/2007 Member: #1414 |
1/12/2013 2:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Again this post was based on the fact we should've waited for free agency like the original plan and got melo. Like what Miami did with If u don't get it you're not thinking. Walsh wanted 2wait. Dolan should've listened.lbj Papabear Says Melo said that he would have signed with the Nets had we not signed him because he was afraid of the new Union contract deal. Papabear
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sebstar
Posts: 25698 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 6/2/2002 Member: #249 USA |
1/12/2013 2:55 PM LAST EDITED: 1/12/2013 2:56 PM
gunsnewing wrote:toad wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Again this post was based on the fact we should've waited for free agency like the original plan and got melo. Like what Miami did with If u don't get it you're not thinking. Walsh wanted 2wait. Dolan should've listened.lbj Wait a minute...how did Melo back us in a corner when there was another suitor involved? We had to strike because the Nets would have grabbed him, which at best would have left us with with the far less talented Dwill, and perhaps shut out at worst, because our package of players wouldnt have grabbed much, when you see what CP3, Dwight howard, and harden commanded in the trade market, which was superior to our package by a long shot. We got lucky. Denver practically gave him away to us. My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
--Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
1/12/2013 2:56 PM
TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:lots of battered-wife syndromers is how you break it down. ironic that dolan runs things and yet he is so obviously a milquetoast, but when you have money it can insulate you from personal defects. dolan is not interested in winning he is interested in putting asses in seats regardless of the actual quality of the team. he also loves stars. and he surrounds himself with yes-men. dolan always finds a way to alienate or force away good people. for me it has been a swing between rubbernecking and being a coroner. i am not in denial like a battered wife is. i am a realist but there are many so-called knick fans who seem to be inhabiting a bizarro world where everything is upside-down and backwards. when the knicks show the potential for reaching the finals-- hell even a potential strong showing in the conference finals-- there will be justification for genuine excitement. i was moving in that direction the first 15-20 games but started seeing the cracks around the first houston game. since then i have receded back to skepticism and now it's going to take some real re-grouping and leadership to right this listing ship. look at my signature. ask yourself if the knicks look like a finals-caliber team or even a conference finals team. that's where my point of view radiates from. i am thinking ahead not living in the moment like so many here are willing to do, echoing the battered-wife syndrome of hopes and prayers. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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Uptown
Posts: 31324 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
1/12/2013 3:03 PM
Its about time somebody call BRIGGS our out on his bipolar posting style. Just a few weeks ago he had us in the ECF, now after a rough patch (which every team goes through)now he wants to hearken back to the trade from 2 years ago. SMH. Why not watch a game, dissect the the struggles, and come up with a solution. Lest talk real basketball, not all this fantasy nonsense....
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
1/12/2013 3:04 PM
sebstar wrote:gunsnewing wrote:toad wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Again this post was based on the fact we should've waited for free agency like the original plan and got melo. Like what Miami did with If u don't get it you're not thinking. Walsh wanted 2wait. Dolan should've listened.lbj I agree we got him for nothing although losing every asset in one shot hurt the Knicks had to make the move. It was understood for awhile that Melo would only signed an extension with the Knicks. Denver went out of their way to prolong the situation and milk the knicks for everything they had. Walsh really tried to hold on to Felton and Mozgov but Melo panicked and said he would be willing to sign an extension with the Nyets. Dolan got involved and the deal was done shortly after. We have Tyson now and then Lin now Felton again. So in no way was it a bad trade for the Knicks. Especially since we looked out with the Amnesty Claus and were able to reacquire Felton because he was out of shape last year |
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Uptown
Posts: 31324 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
1/12/2013 3:04 PM
misterearl wrote:The only thing coming back to bite us is a fantasy league, rear view mirror, amateur, fake wanna-be, wet dream "general manager." Seriously. Dude is a college basketball fan and all he wants are draft picks and Uconn players.... |
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
1/12/2013 3:07 PM LAST EDITED: 1/12/2013 3:10 PM
its a little too early to repeat this and start a war that neither side would even understand/win
I am waiting to see what Melo does on his next contract to judge, the first time he screwed us, lock out year, okay, he had to do it.... The next time, he couldn't get over Lin having more popularity than him, and fan's over him, Now, on his next contract, this time, Melo DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, he made plenty of money in his NBA career already, so I don't want to hear anything of it 25m is about 40-50% of the cap, without a core/young *high ceiling players, outside of Iman*, without our veterans, we have many positions to fill in 2015 More importantly, if he opts out 1 year prior to KNOWING 2015's FA class, and probably the BEST FA CLASS that I will ever see, demanding a max - near max deal, he is not worth it |
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
1/12/2013 3:08 PM
2015 FA class, our pick's, and flexibility
--------------------------------------------- I wonder if Melo would take a 1 year option that makes 10m, in order to have much more cap space/flexibility to build a dynasty during 2015 JR Smith, I think he will be sacrificing a much larger deal if he chooses to stay in NY, if he does, I think he would be asking for another player option for next year so we would have his full bird right's vs early bird right's
Amare, I am not sure if any team will be wiling to offer him 3-5m per year, I hope we do not pull a Allan Houston on him Iman's extension would not kick in till 2016 if he is still a Knick, so 2015 is a very important year for the franchise of the team for the following 5years +
we have possibly 2 pick's this summer, 1) our own 1st rounder 2016 season/2015 summer 1) another 1st round pick in 2016 season/ 2015 summer which Denver get's to swap the better of We can possibly by some 2nd round picks, with many teams that have multiple 2nd round pick's form this summer, with the 3m we can use each season |
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
1/12/2013 3:10 PM LAST EDITED: 1/12/2013 3:12 PM
Agree Melo would have to take a paycut in his next deal. I wish Melo and Amare were able to restructure their contracts to the $14-16mil range. Like Tyson, Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Then age and injuries wouldn't be as big an issue
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TeamBall
Posts: 24343 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/13/2012 Member: #4386 |
1/12/2013 3:20 PM
dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:lots of battered-wife syndromers is how you break it down. ironic that dolan runs things and yet he is so obviously a milquetoast, but when you have money it can insulate you from personal defects. dolan is not interested in winning he is interested in putting asses in seats regardless of the actual quality of the team. he also loves stars. and he surrounds himself with yes-men. dolan always finds a way to alienate or force away good people. Its more about the people who, by their own admission, dont like the team or have a very hard time rooting for it yet still continue to post here that I dont really understand. Knicksfan: Hypocrite league that fines players after the game for flopping but in the game and with obvious flopping they call the fouls.
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Nalod
Posts: 71278 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
1/12/2013 4:34 PM
Im taking the one day at a time approach and just enjoying the team. Im not worried about another starphuch era of mismanagement. Y'all love to throw blame around and forget what the environment was during decisions and what the choices were. Walsh gave them away because that was their market at the time. Zbo had a max deal and his play was awful for his contract. If he matured and got his mind and body together good for him. Craw at 5mm a year off the bench is a different player than an 11mm starter. DLee I thought was a mistake but we had Starphuch in our eyes and this is NY. Walsh was given a job to clean it up and make room for Lebron and a friend. If your gonna blame anyone then blame the one who gave the directive to do this. |
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
1/12/2013 4:40 PM
I don't think it was Dolan's idea to get Lebron. Walsh said the media and fans started talking about Lebron's upcoming free agency and he figured why not go in on it
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
1/12/2013 4:41 PM
dk7th wrote:tkf wrote:Papabear wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:sebstar wrote:franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years. exactly..., it does... i dislike dolan as much as I do the maloofs.. the NBA just found a way to get those clowns out of town. now time to work on this fool here at msg... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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3G4G
Posts: 23485 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2012 Member: #4333 |
1/12/2013 4:46 PM
toad wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Again this post was based on the fact we should've waited for free agency like the original plan and got melo. Like what Miami did with If u don't get it you're not thinking. Walsh wanted 2wait. Dolan should've listened.lbj New Jersey would be a bad basketball team as they would have been stripped of assets....AND? |
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
1/12/2013 4:46 PM
Papabear wrote:tkf wrote:Papabear wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:sebstar wrote:franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years.
until then I spread my interest with other teams.... being a knick fan has forced me to look at this team more objectively over the years... dolan has forced me to do that.. and I thank him for at least that... I support a few of the players on this team, which is why I still bother... but this is sports things will change and this era will soon pass thank god.. fans, real fans don't make excuses when they see wrong.... and I certainly won't defend childish douchebags, I don't care what uniform they wear.. Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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