ActionJackson wrote:It's clearly all in how an event is framed, which brings me back to the issue at hand and wanting to ask the question "why are so many here so willing to suck at the teat of KG's supposed greatness???" Where is the outrage that our star player was fouled 4-5 times before the play escalated into double techs? Where is the anger at KG speaking out about a player's personal life in such a disrespectful manner that if he had been in a bar in Texas or Florida (or one of those other Stan Your Ground states) it might've escalated into a shootout?? Where is our level of fan dedication & Homerism???

Silverfuel wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:It's clearly all in how an event is framed, which brings me back to the issue at hand and wanting to ask the question "why are so many here so willing to suck at the teat of KG's supposed greatness???" Where is the outrage that our star player was fouled 4-5 times before the play escalated into double techs? Where is the anger at KG speaking out about a player's personal life in such a disrespectful manner that if he had been in a bar in Texas or Florida (or one of those other Stan Your Ground states) it might've escalated into a shootout?? Where is our level of fan dedication & Homerism???

I think people just don't like Melo (partially because they were emotionally invested with the Gallo team) and because he is winning this season, they cannot blame him for that. They choose to expect a 28 year old to have better poise than they most likely would when confronted in a heated competitive situation. No matter how unrealistic, taking the moral high ground allows them to once again blame Melo somehow.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:It's clearly all in how an event is framed, which brings me back to the issue at hand and wanting to ask the question "why are so many here so willing to suck at the teat of KG's supposed greatness???" Where is the outrage that our star player was fouled 4-5 times before the play escalated into double techs? Where is the anger at KG speaking out about a player's personal life in such a disrespectful manner that if he had been in a bar in Texas or Florida (or one of those other Stan Your Ground states) it might've escalated into a shootout?? Where is our level of fan dedication & Homerism???

I think people just don't like Melo (partially because they were emotionally invested with the Gallo team) and because he is winning this season, they cannot blame him for that. They choose to expect a 28 year old to have better poise than they most likely would when confronted in a heated competitive situation. No matter how unrealistic, taking the moral high ground allows them to once again blame Melo somehow.

I don't think anyone has praised KG here. That seems like a figment of AJ's imagination.

DK has praised KG in several threads for him getting in Melo's head and his "great use of gamesmanship".

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote:
sounds like you're on tilt just like melo was. jordan asserted that the game is 90% mental. garnett exploits weak-minded players when he can to gain an advantage. garnett's motivation is to win the game... apparently melo forgot this very simple fact-- that is being weak-minded and lacking in poise. hopefully melo wises up and does the only thing that will shut garnett up: play within himself and certainly ignore the trash talk-- and win the game!

Great post...

Other examples of "weak-minded" players lacking poise

Michael Jordan

Larry Bird and Dr. J

Kobe Bryant

Such a shame that Melo chose to stoop to the level of these low-iq, thug players and their base instincts. What business does Melo have acting like a human being?

it would help if you were comparing apples to apples.

melo is being paid 20 million a season to keep his composure, win games, and lead the knicks to titles. his lack of poise is going to be an issue come playoff time. he has shown weakness by being what you rhetorically call "human" and that weakness will continue to be exploited.

Silverfuel wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:It's clearly all in how an event is framed, which brings me back to the issue at hand and wanting to ask the question "why are so many here so willing to suck at the teat of KG's supposed greatness???" Where is the outrage that our star player was fouled 4-5 times before the play escalated into double techs? Where is the anger at KG speaking out about a player's personal life in such a disrespectful manner that if he had been in a bar in Texas or Florida (or one of those other Stan Your Ground states) it might've escalated into a shootout?? Where is our level of fan dedication & Homerism???

I think people just don't like Melo (partially because they were emotionally invested with the Gallo team) and because he is winning this season, they cannot blame him for that. They choose to expect a 28 year old to have better poise than they most likely would when confronted in a heated competitive situation. No matter how unrealistic, taking the moral high ground allows them to once again blame Melo somehow.

You and Action nailed it. Is it really a coincidence that the same posters that hated the trade, derail por-Melo threads with TS-BS% nonsense and will only praise him take a post off from criticising him when he moves heaven and earth are the same ones criticizing him for this incident? And spare me the nonsense about Melo wouldn't have been criticised if we won the game. Thats a bucnh of BS. Even if we won, Melo still would have been called, "Thug-Melo", "Youtube-Melo", "Star-Melo" and the other juvenile nicknames some of these posters come up with....

dk7th wrote:
it would help if you were comparing apples to apples.

melo is being paid 20 million a season to keep his composure, win games, and lead the knicks to titles. his lack of poise is going to be an issue come playoff time. he has shown weakness by being what you rhetorically call "human" and that weakness will continue to be exploited.

Say what now? So those aforementioned players weren't being paid to keep their composure?

You posited that Melo's angry response is a reflection of weak-mindedness. When that absurd conclusion was put on its head, when I offered video evidence of great players "acting weak-minded", you start twisting yourself into a pretzel in some comical attempt to make Melo's actions different than the rest. Its not "apples to apples", because of your psychological need for it not to be comparable. The variable here is anger --- and its an emotion expressed by every great player, spanning sports --- hell, spanning life.

And dont make a fool out of yourself and try to insist that this is representative of Melo's character as a whole. Im not interested in bankrupt, and baseless arguments. Your conclusions thus far, are a clear result of your anti-melo fetishism.

Melo gets a pass on this one. It won't go down like this again. Glad he got through this now so he will be tested come playoffs.

sebstar wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:
I think people just don't like Melo (partially because they were emotionally invested with the Gallo team) and because he is winning this season, they cannot blame him for that. They choose to expect a 28 year old to have better poise than they most likely would when confronted in a heated competitive situation. No matter how unrealistic, taking the moral high ground allows them to once again blame Melo somehow.

Of course this is the motivation --- and the posters employing this strategy arent really smart enough, nor mature enough to pull off otherwise. They've convinced themselves that they are fooling everyone by couching anti-melo conclusions, in this high-minded, neutral "im just holding him accountable, and not being a homer" way, but they are using non-logical, ridiculous justifications time and time again, and they think people somehow wont notice.

I dont know who they are trying to kid --- they have a serious dislike for Carmelo as a man, and are actively rooting against him, enjoying any and every misstep along the way in the hope that the season ends in a failing one. Seriously, why post here and ruin this awesome season for knick fans with their childish bile? This website here is to talk knick basketball --- good and bad --- not engage in a daily, exhaustive effort to rebut agenda-fueled posters with a childish grudge.

We've only just met but you've now become my favorite poster. AMEN TO ALL OF THIS!

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:It's clearly all in how an event is framed, which brings me back to the issue at hand and wanting to ask the question "why are so many here so willing to suck at the teat of KG's supposed greatness???" Where is the outrage that our star player was fouled 4-5 times before the play escalated into double techs? Where is the anger at KG speaking out about a player's personal life in such a disrespectful manner that if he had been in a bar in Texas or Florida (or one of those other Stan Your Ground states) it might've escalated into a shootout?? Where is our level of fan dedication & Homerism???

I think people just don't like Melo (partially because they were emotionally invested with the Gallo team) and because he is winning this season, they cannot blame him for that. They choose to expect a 28 year old to have better poise than they most likely would when confronted in a heated competitive situation. No matter how unrealistic, taking the moral high ground allows them to once again blame Melo somehow.

I don't think anyone has praised KG here. That seems like a figment of AJ's imagination.

DK has praised KG in several threads for him getting in Melo's head and his "great use of gamesmanship".

OK, then I stand corrected. Still I think most here see KG as a dick.

of course garnett's a dick. dicks and non-dicks can use gamesmanship. dicks and non-dicks can also exhibit sportsmanship.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:it would help if you were comparing apples to apples.

melo is being paid 20 million a season to keep his composure, win games, and lead the knicks to titles. his lack of poise is going to be an issue come playoff time. he has shown weakness by being what you rhetorically call "human" and that weakness will continue to be exploited.

Do you honestly think a player from every team we face in the playoffs is gonna take personal jabs at Melo like KG did? They'll certainly play him physically but if you've been watching the games prior to this one, Melo has cut back on the complaining and usually just smiles and shrugs as he makes his way to the other end of the court.

no i don't. garnett is definitely walking the edge of is acceptable. i would think comments about a player's children are taboo. but he didn't go there. and if he went after melo's troubled relationship with lala then that's just sad-- i didn't know they were having issues and i hope they'll sort out their differences... unless he's wetting his wick with another chick.

still doesn't mean melo has to lose his cool. just hit the shots, draw the fouls, and win the game.

You're experiencing marital issues. Serious marital issues. Your estranged woman is tweeting happy things without you from far away. Most of your life is public domain. Perhaps, being a slightly traditional human male, you actually still maintain feelings for the woman, and your marriage crashing and burning is not something you're going to be terribly open to taking advice, comments or other input about. But it's gametime. Time to focus, put everything else aside.

You are a proud young man, at or around the top of your profession currently. Your private life is obviously not going all that well. Along comes a game with a moron who's the proud owner of a loooooooooong history of stupid verbal diarhhea. You are focused on the game. You want to win. This is an important game, a statement to made within the division. You are expecting trash talk, you are expecting the normal evening's uncalled fouls, with maybe a bit more emphasis with some of it, maybe some extra compensation given who's sitting on the bench for the opponents. Protect your house. Ownership. Changing of the guard officially. Lots of business things to focus on.

But just maybe you are not expecting this aforementioned kelly green moron, in front of tens of thousands of spectators and your other teammates, to make some deranged comment about your wife. Now on top of the normal beating and shoving you get, this tall walking stick hits you in a place you're not prepared to just shrug off. At another, happier time in your married life, maybe this does get shrugged off. But now?

I don't think so.

You want to talk gamesmanship? You want to preen about how you (or insert your favorite player other than our resident Knick antichrist) as a true pro, would give KG the Kung Fu blank glare and just go channel your rage and score 50 and win the game? Good for you. Worry about how to wipe your own ass first.

I swear sometimes, Melo's got to be doing things like this just to give the Somberanians something to peck at.

Move on people, Shump is on the way!