BRIGGS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:1. Shabazz Muhammad--he is clearly pick 1. Lefty great body athletic great scorer. He needs to bring up the rebounding and passing on the next level--but he has a real chance to be a 25-5-5 player in the nBA.

2.Isiah Austin--I know he is skinny but he has the most offensive potential of any big man in this draft. He has the ability to be a franchise center and I like who is dad is. The differentiator is the weight room--if he gets in there and is 245 in 2 years--hes the best player in this draft bar none. If he doesnt put the weight on--it could be a bust. Dont let your wife tell you anything different--size matters.

3. Mason Plumlee--he has every chance to be the next Tom Chambers--unreal like athletic ability at 6-10+ runs the floor like a deer and is just touching what he can do in an all around game

4 Alex Len--simple at an athletic 7-1 240 and a solid offensive game he has all the tools to be an all star level 5 in the nBA

5 C.J. McCollum--reminds me a great deal of Steph Curry--same size a little more athletic also needs to transition to PG but has all of the tools at 6-3.

6. Nerlens Noels--best defensive player in the draft needs a lot of work on the offensive end.

7. Nate Wolters---maybe the best PG prospect in the draft--only held back by some athletic ability issues and wingspan. Plays at his own pace and is a really good passer--will be a better pro PG from a passing standpoint than his shoot first need at SD I could easily move him past McCollum if there wasnt a difference in athletic ability.

8. Cody Zeller--not a 5 which to me knocks him down to late top 10. I see him as a 4 with good skills--his he tough enough against brute nBA 4's? Should be a solid pick here.

9. Doug McDermott- Under rated Plays like a Wally Sczerbiak clone in and out.

10.Anthony Bennett-- A little Zach Randolph a little Paul Millsap== lottery pick.

Upgrading the mock draft.

1. Ben Mclemore Sg

2. Kelly Olynyck Pf/c

3. Mason Plumlee Pf

4 Nerlen Noels C

5 Cody Zeller PF

6 Anthony Bennett PF

7 Nate Wolters Pg

8 Isiah Austin Pf/c

9 Shabazz Muhammad Sg

10 Shane Larkin PG

Moving Kelly Olynck to the number 1 prospect--he is as c
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Keeping the list somewhat the same--moving Noel out for injury and bring back Alex Len from the original mock and for the first time adding Marcus Smart VictorOlapido and adding 11-14

1. Kelly Olynck C/PF Gonzaga

2. Ben Mclemore SG Kansas

3. Anthony Bennett PF UNLV

4. Cody Zeller Pf Indiana

5. Victor Olapido G Indiana

6 Nate Wolters PG S Dakota State

7. Marcus Smart PG Oklhoma

8. Shabazz Muhammed SG UCLA

9 Alex Len C Maryland

10 Mason Plumlee PF Duke

11 Nerlen Noels C Kentucky

12 Michael Carter Williams PG Syracuse

13 Trey Burke PG Michigan

14 Isiah Austin C/PF Baylor

Two week update on top 14

1. Kelly Olynck--keeping him here hes the best pro prospect and at 7 feet the only franchise type possibility in this draft

2. Victor Olapido--moved him up to 2. His overall game is just better than Mclemore and Muhhamed. hes a potential NBA all defsnive 1st team type but he can also avg 14-16 points in the nBA

3. Otto Porter--making a meteoric rise in my eyes--he's going to be an NBA all star

4.Ben Mclemore--has shown a real passive side--hes got great skills and talent--but when you play passive like he has the last few games--a red flag goes up. Still talent athletic abilities skills length too much to ignore.

5. Nate Wolters--hey I love this guy--the most under rated player in the draft. He still has bad form on his J but hes the best PG in this draft. He played through pain the last two games and probably came back into that first one when most wouldve stayed out. 6-4 great ballhandler passer hes the Rubio of this draft--not as spicy but better offensive player and just as long. Better athlete than advertised this is no jimmer freddette way off comparison.

6. Cody Zeller--He also shows lack of passion which is darn scary but just like Mclemore size skills athletiscm

7. Anthony Bennett--I had him higher and maybe he should go as high as the 3 position but at 6-7 there will be limits to his game

8 Trey Burke--hes moving up Hes very good Only size keeps him from top 5.

9. Shabazz Muhhamed no lower than this spot

10 Alex Len---Willie Stein is now making a late push but Len is more athletic but this will be a close decision

11 Isiah Austin--if he plays hard works on his body he could end up the best player in draft but his frame is still the type that makes me think underachiever for size and skill set still top 10

12 Marcus smart--He is not the best shooter in the world and hes not a great athelete but has a great body and a diversity of skills

13 Kyle Andersen--another high riser on my list. he wouldve been top 5 out of HS and coulkd be pick 2 if he stays in school next year---he could be a Knick pick at 24-25 if he comes out hes the type wed promise too. Has some Tracy Mcrady in him for sure.

14. Nerlens Noel--I can justify a top 10 pick on him. he was never shaq and this type of injury is just a wait and see. Who will pull the trigger on him--healthy hes top 5 devastating knee injury? His teammate Willie Stein has shown late lottery talent the last few games in his absence.

Two week update

1. Kelly Olynck PF
2 Ben Mclemore 2G
3. Marcus Smart Pg CG
4. Cody Zeller C/PF
5. Otto Porter SF
6 Nate Wolters PG
7. Trey Burk PG 8. Victor Olapido SG
9. Shabazz Muhammed SG
10. Anthony Bennett PF
11. Nerlens Noel C
12. C J Mccolum SG
13 Jahii Carson PG
14 Erick Greene PG CG

PNR Pgs (as opposed to small players who are really 2G masquerading as PGs)
1. trey burke (k. lowry clone)
2. MCW (6-7...needs to stay in school tho..still raw)
3. M. Kabongo
4. Pierre Jackson

i always get nervous with SMALL Pgs tho..

Best rebounding PFs - both should be available to us in the late 1st rd
1. Patrik young (Dejuan blair clone)
2. Cory Jefferson (baylor)

yellowboy90 wrote:

callmened wrote:In my opinion,

PNR Pgs (as opposed to small players who are really 2G masquerading as PGs)
1. trey burke (k. lowry clone)
2. MCW (6-7...needs to stay in school tho..still raw)
3. M. Kabongo
4. Pierre Jackson

i always get nervous with SMALL Pgs tho..

Best rebounding PFs - both should be available to us in the late 1st rd
1. Patrik young (Dejuan blair clone)
2. Cory Jefferson (baylor)

Interesting. I think the Knicks need to go PG first round and really analyze which Pg would fit their system. I wish I knew these players' PPPs (point per possessions) off the PnR, spot ups, at the rim, and screens.

Also, I am not sure on Young. I would like to se him rebound more but he may benefit from playing in the NBA and coming off the bench giving a team a good 5-7 minute burst each quarter. Like to see him stay another year. I'll be watching him and UF in a few hours.

Im not interested in any big men(believe me Kelly O will end up a top 5 pick) where we would be picking(remember I always like big men too--thats how good I see the PGs in this draft--)we have a chance to get two special ones and build a team that can play two PGs at once going versatile in an increasingly versatile league.. I would love to have 2 of any of these 4 PGs Wolters Greene Carson Mccolum---this team needs to rebuild its PG core. I usually hate small PGs --but I added Carson because he is NO ordinary player to say the least. I picked out Lin and I think each of these players are just as good or better. We do have only 1 pick But for me i would do what it takes--including trading Shumpert to rebuild the 2nd most important position on a team. Having great young PGs is attractive to big time free agents

yellowboy90 wrote:in what range is Burke going because having a pg that can run the PnR and shoot off the dribble would be nice. I guess the key would be to coach him up not to settle for the jumper but attack.

I like nate Walters for pick and roll. He's long and is highly efficient in the mid range game. I would change this team radically to a diverse speedy attacking team that would have unselfish ball movers at every position. After seeing Jahii Carson Id love to rest the teams PG position for the next decade with Wolters and Carson. Neither will a hefty pick--so we can be in the business of acquiring both. Wolters can be our staring PG from year 2 for the next decade and Jahii is a 5-11 D Wade who can play 6th man or in three guard sets and adds tremendous speed attacking style and athleticism to a team void of it.

callmened wrote:Im interestd to see how wolters plays vs trey burke or hardaway

callmened wrote:whenever i hear about mid major talent (Olynyk, Wolters, McDermott) im always skeptical. Sure the highlights show they can play - but its against weaker competition. im curious to see how they do against REAL teams. I think theyll get drafted but im not sure how good theyll be. right now i think wolters is low 1st rd pick and the other 2 are lottery picks based on good stats...im just not sure...thats why i like the tounry...to see how they do

Some of the best games he played this year and last were on TV. Against Terrance Ross Tony Wroten etc... he had 34-7-7 Ross was the 6th pick in this years darft and won the dunk contest. This year SDST won at New Mexico and Wolters destroyed them--same tam that beat Uconn and Napier Boatright etc.. and in the first half against Murray State and another 1 stround pick PG in Isiah Cannan--until he got hurt he was outplaying him and you could see where that 6-4 and long arms on D would come in very handy kind of like a neutralizer against. You have to see someone play--its impossible to discern a player without seeing him--atleast on film. I watched az state only once before this weekend--and this time of year is where spotting a player is crucial--because you did not hear anyone talk about Carson--not here not on realgm (unless you lived in the west) but this is the time of the year you really get to see these guys and they now have experience under their belt. Honestly Carson looked like a lottery pick this weekend he's 2-3 inches away from being pick 1. He's 5-10 if he was 6-1 190 hed be pick one hands down. But 5-10 is no midget and his speed and explosion make up for those two inches. Hes got good form practice adn hes a 35%-38% 3 pt shooter and should be a 47-50% 2 pt player abd make the game easier for other guys. Wolters though man--if he goes to the right team and in the right system--he is Steve Nash 2.

BRIGGS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:BRIGGS - How about Michael Carter Williams? Measurables looked pretty good. Highlights...well they look like highlights.

Hes a strange player. One one hand he has the body and potential of a star--but so did Eddy Curry. He doesnt show up enough--he disappears. Hes likely going to be a high draft pick but I would pass. I think a 6-6 PG can do a lot better than shooting 38% on a team that had a lot of perimeter firepower with Triche Fair and Southerland.

Who are your top 5 PGs in the draft?