tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

good gosh there is so much off base here it's hard to know where to begin. lin "gave" the poison pill? how did he do that? does he have some special powers that other players don't? the offer houston made for his services changed into what it was-- it was not lin's doing. and at that point it was up to the knicks to match-- again not up to lin. it was up to dolan and his fragile ego to end the matter one way or the other. he didn't like getting played and took his ball and went home.

and then you say that lin would have made it difficult for melo to be what he is now? how does that work exactly? have you compared lin's ability to orchestrate with felton's? they are better, which helps melo nd the entire offense. his FGA per game? they are fewer which gives melo more opportunies. TS%? lin's is higher. lin's numbers are all better than felton's.

the last part i agree with, because lin's charisma would certainly not be tolerated by a vain douche like carmelo.

In regards to Lin giving us the poison pill you could make the argument that he was all in for himself when he went into the negotiations after firing his longtime agent and skipping playing on the USA Select Team because he was a free agent. He was looking out for himself as he should. However, to act like he was a bystander in the process and Dolan was a billionaire with a fragile ego as opposed to a guy assessing a situation and deciding what was best for his team in light of the new cba then I think you are selling him short. In regards to Melo, not sure why you feel the need to hate him. Was it the trade? Was it his words taken out of context when asked about Lin's offer from Houston? Was it that he figured out Mike D'Antoni was a really bad basketball coach that used him wrong? Or was it something else?
I wonder if guys go on Bulls boards and trash Reinsdorf for not matching Asik's offer. There is a very good chance that Asik was the better of the two signings.

knicks needed a PG and we let a young one go for nothing.. asik while good and filled with potential played a position occupied by another young center who is really good and better... had noah been 32 years old nearing the end of his deal then I would question them not resigning asik... but at this point he would have been an expensive luxury for the bulls... so while there may be fans on the bulls board upset with the move I am sure they are few, but that has nothing to do with us, as we seem to make dumb move after dumb move..

Actually Bulls fans were ticked as they had growing concerns all season about Reinsdorf going the cheap route.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/9513/bulls-plan-requires-patience-from-fans

3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

good gosh there is so much off base here it's hard to know where to begin. lin "gave" the poison pill? how did he do that? does he have some special powers that other players don't? the offer houston made for his services changed into what it was-- it was not lin's doing. and at that point it was up to the knicks to match-- again not up to lin. it was up to dolan and his fragile ego to end the matter one way or the other. he didn't like getting played and took his ball and went home.

and then you say that lin would have made it difficult for melo to be what he is now? how does that work exactly? have you compared lin's ability to orchestrate with felton's? they are better, which helps melo nd the entire offense. his FGA per game? they are fewer which gives melo more opportunies. TS%? lin's is higher. lin's numbers are all better than felton's.

the last part i agree with, because lin's charisma would certainly not be tolerated by a vain douche like carmelo.

In regards to Lin giving us the poison pill you could make the argument that he was all in for himself when he went into the negotiations after firing his longtime agent and skipping playing on the USA Select Team because he was a free agent. He was looking out for himself as he should. However, to act like he was a bystander in the process and Dolan was a billionaire with a fragile ego as opposed to a guy assessing a situation and deciding what was best for his team in light of the new cba then I think you are selling him short. In regards to Melo, not sure why you feel the need to hate him. Was it the trade? Was it his words taken out of context when asked about Lin's offer from Houston? Was it that he figured out Mike D'Antoni was a really bad basketball coach that used him wrong? Or was it something else?
I wonder if guys go on Bulls boards and trash Reinsdorf for not matching Asik's offer. There is a very good chance that Asik was the better of the two signings.

knicks needed a PG and we let a young one go for nothing.. asik while good and filled with potential played a position occupied by another young center who is really good and better... had noah been 32 years old nearing the end of his deal then I would question them not resigning asik... but at this point he would have been an expensive luxury for the bulls... so while there may be fans on the bulls board upset with the move I am sure they are few, but that has nothing to do with us, as we seem to make dumb move after dumb move..

Actually Bulls fans were ticked as they had growing concerns all season about Reinsdorf going the cheap route.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/9513/bulls-plan-requires-patience-from-fans

well there you go. as I said, I am sure some were upset as expected, again not sure what it has to do with the knicks... despite them being upset with the front office moves, they have been good the past few years with a young team and a young superstar to lead them for years to come..I guess you can't make everyone happy...

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

JR Smith bleeds the blue and orange and I believe that even if a poison pill was offered he would not take it. The only thing that would be important to JR Smith would be that he starts and after the second year he would have a bail out clause. He is a New Jersey boy who love the Knicks. Lin gave us the poison pill and if we would have kept Lin it would have been very difficult for Melo to be who he is now. Making Lin some sort of hero over Melo would be a hard pill for Melo to swallow even though Lin can't be compared to the greatness of Melo.

good gosh there is so much off base here it's hard to know where to begin. lin "gave" the poison pill? how did he do that? does he have some special powers that other players don't? the offer houston made for his services changed into what it was-- it was not lin's doing. and at that point it was up to the knicks to match-- again not up to lin. it was up to dolan and his fragile ego to end the matter one way or the other. he didn't like getting played and took his ball and went home.

and then you say that lin would have made it difficult for melo to be what he is now? how does that work exactly? have you compared lin's ability to orchestrate with felton's? they are better, which helps melo nd the entire offense. his FGA per game? they are fewer which gives melo more opportunies. TS%? lin's is higher. lin's numbers are all better than felton's.

the last part i agree with, because lin's charisma would certainly not be tolerated by a vain douche like carmelo.

In regards to Lin giving us the poison pill you could make the argument that he was all in for himself when he went into the negotiations after firing his longtime agent and skipping playing on the USA Select Team because he was a free agent. He was looking out for himself as he should. However, to act like he was a bystander in the process and Dolan was a billionaire with a fragile ego as opposed to a guy assessing a situation and deciding what was best for his team in light of the new cba then I think you are selling him short. In regards to Melo, not sure why you feel the need to hate him. Was it the trade? Was it his words taken out of context when asked about Lin's offer from Houston? Was it that he figured out Mike D'Antoni was a really bad basketball coach that used him wrong? Or was it something else?
I wonder if guys go on Bulls boards and trash Reinsdorf for not matching Asik's offer. There is a very good chance that Asik was the better of the two signings.

i don't begrudge lin switching agents-- the situation called for an agent who would not be out of his depth. so far so good. skipping the usa prep team in the wake of knee surgery-- he gets a pass. again so far so good. but please explain to me how lin had any control over the situation? i am not being rhetorical here-- i actually want to know if he had any influence or control or power. i know the linsanity phenomenon went to his head, as few if any young men his age are immune to the temptations of fame-- but i still need to have it explained how he was responsible for putting the knicks at a disadvantage. all that took place was above his pay grade so far as i am concerned.

for the record i don't "hate" melo. i hated the trade and the way it was handled. and both dolan and melo are culpable there. i liked walsh and i like plans and patience. i hated the impulsivity and the destruction that ensued.

now that time has passed, the fact is i am glad he is playing well, although the "well" part is almost exclusively wedded to his 3-point shooting. when that goes his game will regress to what it has been, which is good but not good enough... while another year of knick futility clicks by to forty fraziers and counting. i just don't like players who are not aware that they are not as good as the hype. i don't like bryant either for the same reason. there's confidence and then there's conceitedness. he believes in his own hype and he plays like it.

i like asik a lot. but like tkf, i really really like noah. i think he is a special player because of his passing skills over and above everything else he brings to the court. so asik was in a tough spot since he is starting caliber.

dk7th wrote: i just don't like players who are not aware that they are not as good as the hype. i don't like bryant either for the same reason. there's confidence and then there's conceitedness. he believes in his own hype and he plays like it.

What hype exactly? Before this season, barely anyone outside of NY thought Melo was any good due to the team's struggles at the time. If you add the fact that fans like TKF and yourself never thought he was that good to begin with, then there really wasnt much hype for him to believe in was it? If you're talking about this year's hype then I still dont see the problem since you just said that he is playing very well (though you attribute it solely to his 3 point shooting).

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote: i just don't like players who are not aware that they are not as good as the hype. i don't like bryant either for the same reason. there's confidence and then there's conceitedness. he believes in his own hype and he plays like it.

What hype exactly? Before this season, barely anyone outside of NY thought Melo was any good due to the team's struggles at the time. If you add the fact that fans like TKF and yourself never thought he was that good to begin with, then there really wasnt much hype for him to believe in was it? If you're talking about this year's hype then I still dont see the problem since you just said that he is playing very well (though you attribute it solely to his 3 point shooting).

the stern-era nba is nothing if not a hype-machine. part of that machine is being grossly compensated and being surrounded by handlers, yes men, posses, etc. carmelo has been immersed in this nba hype-machine culture his entire life. think about that for a second-- his entire life he has been spoon fed the nba, inundated by the nba, and eventually immersed in the nba.

fans are not immune to the hype-machine. far from it. carmelo anthony has been similarly lauded for an all-star career and making the playoffs every year of his career by a majority of new york fans. that he has been a hugely divisive figure is proof of the extreme feelings... not the exactly what you are conveying here.

arkrud wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote: i just don't like players who are not aware that they are not as good as the hype. i don't like bryant either for the same reason. there's confidence and then there's conceitedness. he believes in his own hype and he plays like it.

What hype exactly? Before this season, barely anyone outside of NY thought Melo was any good due to the team's struggles at the time. If you add the fact that fans like TKF and yourself never thought he was that good to begin with, then there really wasnt much hype for him to believe in was it? If you're talking about this year's hype then I still dont see the problem since you just said that he is playing very well (though you attribute it solely to his 3 point shooting).

the stern-era nba is nothing if not a hype-machine. part of that machine is being grossly compensated and being surrounded by handlers, yes men, posses, etc. carmelo has been immersed in this nba hype-machine culture his entire life. think about that for a second-- his entire life he has been spoon fed the nba, inundated by the nba, and eventually immersed in the nba.

fans are not immune to the hype-machine. far from it. carmelo anthony has been similarly lauded for an all-star career and making the playoffs every year of his career by a majority of new york fans. that he has been a hugely divisive figure is proof of the extreme feelings... not the exactly what you are conveying here.

Melo is very gifted player and he is very melo-looking dude.
NBA players are not only the best athletes in the world but also an actors on the big stage.
And Melo can do both.
As per being a great player who will left some footprint on the sport he achieved nothing till day.
Players are not included in HOF and in the history of the sport by being a great scorer and actor.
This required a character, dedication, sacrifice, and heart. So Melo have a lot of work to do.

NFL players strongly disagree...

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Asik is almost at 11 and 11. This was the response to the poison pill contract he received.

'Omer Asik' is Turkish for 'Rockets are on crack'
July 02, 2012|Steve Rosenbloom | The RosenBlog

Bulls backup center Omer Asik has a rich contract offer from the Rockets. (Chris Sweda/Tribune Photo)

I don’t know why the Bulls are even bothering to think about it. Learn how to say “goodbye’’ in Turkish and be done with Omer Asik

Wish the Rockets good luck with their silly offer of almost $25 million over three years for a backup center who can’t score and has bags of Quikrete for hands.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-07-02/sports/chi-bulls-shouldnt-match-asik-offer-20120702_1_omer-asik-taj-gibson-bulls

My same sentiments for Lin, don't want a guy too scared to play at 85%, even though he wouldn't have helped much anyway.

Houston is on the verge to have the "all overpaid" team.

They're the youngest team in the league and they have the lowest payroll. Even in the year with the poison pills, they have only $51 mil committed.
Morey is doing very well.

Not really the let go a better PG for nothing.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Asik is almost at 11 and 11. This was the response to the poison pill contract he received.

'Omer Asik' is Turkish for 'Rockets are on crack'
July 02, 2012|Steve Rosenbloom | The RosenBlog

Bulls backup center Omer Asik has a rich contract offer from the Rockets. (Chris Sweda/Tribune Photo)

I don’t know why the Bulls are even bothering to think about it. Learn how to say “goodbye’’ in Turkish and be done with Omer Asik

Wish the Rockets good luck with their silly offer of almost $25 million over three years for a backup center who can’t score and has bags of Quikrete for hands.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-07-02/sports/chi-bulls-shouldnt-match-asik-offer-20120702_1_omer-asik-taj-gibson-bulls

My same sentiments for Lin, don't want a guy too scared to play at 85%, even though he wouldn't have helped much anyway.

Houston is on the verge to have the "all overpaid" team.

They're the youngest team in the league and they have the lowest payroll. Even in the year with the poison pills, they have only $51 mil committed.
Morey is doing very well.

Not really the let go a better PG for nothing.

I think you're confusing Morey and Grunwald.

Really Dragic played for the Knicks, When?

ChuckBuck wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Asik is almost at 11 and 11. This was the response to the poison pill contract he received.

'Omer Asik' is Turkish for 'Rockets are on crack'
July 02, 2012|Steve Rosenbloom | The RosenBlog

Bulls backup center Omer Asik has a rich contract offer from the Rockets. (Chris Sweda/Tribune Photo)

I don’t know why the Bulls are even bothering to think about it. Learn how to say “goodbye’’ in Turkish and be done with Omer Asik

Wish the Rockets good luck with their silly offer of almost $25 million over three years for a backup center who can’t score and has bags of Quikrete for hands.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-07-02/sports/chi-bulls-shouldnt-match-asik-offer-20120702_1_omer-asik-taj-gibson-bulls

My same sentiments for Lin, don't want a guy too scared to play at 85%, even though he wouldn't have helped much anyway.

Houston is on the verge to have the "all overpaid" team.

They're the youngest team in the league and they have the lowest payroll. Even in the year with the poison pills, they have only $51 mil committed.
Morey is doing very well.

Not really the let go a better PG for nothing.

I think you're confusing Morey and Grunwald.

Really Dragic played for the Knicks, When?

True Moron Morey let 2 better point guards go, Dragic and Lowry. He struck out with Royce White and got lucky with Omer Asik.

Maybe he felt more upside with lin then others. They went young.

Asik has a 2 or 3 year deal. Thats it.

Lin 3 years. Rockets paid big for shorter contracts.

Morey may be wrong in the long run but unlike others I doubt he considers 30 games to be conclusive.

They are a 7th seed which is better than anyone expected thus far.

Some of you extrapolate into the future all the time. Knicks are in the conf. finals and Rockets are what they are now.

Its still 50 games to go and a lot can change.

My guess is Lin's last 10 games are better than his first 10 this season. Lowry plays a different style that they might not have wanted, and Dragic is not the marketable player Lin is. Rockets built a big fanbase in China. While Lin is not Yao Ming its an extension.