knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Right according to Clyde Felton is an allstar

Felton is very instrumental to where we are right now...How are u missing this fact...

I think we are on separate wave lengths. I think we are where we are despite Felton. We're here mainly because of Melo, Kidd, Chandler, JR and the biggest culprit of all Mike Woodson

Two wave lengths is correct...U don't see it's Felton play that has help Chandler and JKidd and getting Brewer open looks...U don't have to believe me..U can listen to the post game commentary of Hahn and Wally...

Sure, but most starting PGs get open looks for their teammates. He's not doing anything special or unreplaceable.

U say that now that he is having a bad run of things...Who else do u think was attainable that could replace his production???...Who doesn't want Chris Paul or Tony Parker...But at some point reality has to set in...

Lin. Who just so happens to be having another good game tonight. Houston with a lead over Memphis

Shouldn't be any argument here, we could have had the same exact team and kept Lin.

And I don't like Lin as a basketball player, but can't deny the obvious.

I don't see it as being so obvious..Five games ago, Felton was being talked about as an all star while Lin was minutes reduced to play Toney Douglas...

So when is Woodson gonna reduce Feltons minutes?

He already has. Felton hasn't been on the floor the last few 4th quarters. He was inserted in the game last night after JR fouled out and Melo was ejected. Hopefully the garbage time layups he picked up will help him get out of the funk he is in somewhat

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:LOL, i only said that because of that hijacking thread. I don't care about tangent Novack talk, but how is Felton a part of the convo??!!

(Guns going off the deep end Linsanity I know.)

He got into the conversation when I pointed out that his bad games hurt the team at least as much as Novak's do.

The thing is, Novak's production is replaceable on this very roster...We don't have to look far and wide...Dude is listed at 6' 10" and grabbing 2 boards per 25 mins...Can't shoot over Nate Robinson...

That's what I was talking about. Could the team be stronger if we traded Novack and gave Copeland 15 minutes a night?

I'm pretty sure he'll give us what Novack produces. Plus we could add a better fitting role player.

I think you're selling Novak very short.

His value isn't his points, it's the potential of those points.

Teams aren't gameplanning for Copeland, Novak is in their scouting report.

There's a difference between game planning and scouting reports. Teams aren't revolving there team defense around stopping Novack. They are telling a couple guys don't help off Novack and stopping him.

I'm pretty sure we can get more out of Copeland, because you guard him with Nate Robinson. Actual points are worth more then potential points.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Right according to Clyde Felton is an allstar

Felton is very instrumental to where we are right now...How are u missing this fact...

I think we are on separate wave lengths. I think we are where we are despite Felton. We're here mainly because of Melo, Kidd, Chandler, JR and the biggest culprit of all Mike Woodson

Two wave lengths is correct...U don't see it's Felton play that has help Chandler and JKidd and getting Brewer open looks...U don't have to believe me..U can listen to the post game commentary of Hahn and Wally...

Sure, but most starting PGs get open looks for their teammates. He's not doing anything special or unreplaceable.

U say that now that he is having a bad run of things...Who else do u think was attainable that could replace his production???...Who doesn't want Chris Paul or Tony Parker...But at some point reality has to set in...

Lin. Who just so happens to be having another good game tonight. Houston with a lead over Memphis

Shouldn't be any argument here, we could have had the same exact team and kept Lin.

And I don't like Lin as a basketball player, but can't deny the obvious.

I don't see it as being so obvious..Five games ago, Felton was being talked about as an all star while Lin was minutes reduced to play Toney Douglas...

So when is Woodson gonna reduce Feltons minutes?

I guarantee you we would not have the same record if Lin was the PG given the year he has had thus far...

I don't like Lin either, if it helps the understanding.

But maybe our record might be better since we could have had both.

But neither would be Knicks by the trade deadline if i had anything to do with it.

Depends on who you are getting in return...This team is very dependent on good PG play...But as you pointed out earlier, Felton's value will be felt in the playoffs..But we will see...

Anji wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:LOL, i only said that because of that hijacking thread. I don't care about tangent Novack talk, but how is Felton a part of the convo??!!

(Guns going off the deep end Linsanity I know.)

He got into the conversation when I pointed out that his bad games hurt the team at least as much as Novak's do.

The thing is, Novak's production is replaceable on this very roster...We don't have to look far and wide...Dude is listed at 6' 10" and grabbing 2 boards per 25 mins...Can't shoot over Nate Robinson...

That's what I was talking about. Could the team be stronger if we traded Novack and gave Copeland 15 minutes a night?

I'm pretty sure he'll give us what Novack produces. Plus we could add a better fitting role player.

I think you're selling Novak very short.

His value isn't his points, it's the potential of those points.

Teams aren't gameplanning for Copeland, Novak is in their scouting report.

There's a difference between game planning and scouting reports. Teams aren't revolving there team defense around stopping Novack. They are telling a couple guys don't help off Novack and stopping him.

I'm pretty sure we can get more out of Copeland, because you guard him with Nate Robinson. Actual points are worth more then potential points.

I think Copeland produces because their is zero pressure when he is the game, but he is a zero sum player.

He does nothing on the other end.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Right according to Clyde Felton is an allstar

Felton is very instrumental to where we are right now...How are u missing this fact...

I think we are on separate wave lengths. I think we are where we are despite Felton. We're here mainly because of Melo, Kidd, Chandler, JR and the biggest culprit of all Mike Woodson

Two wave lengths is correct...U don't see it's Felton play that has help Chandler and JKidd and getting Brewer open looks...U don't have to believe me..U can listen to the post game commentary of Hahn and Wally...

Sure, but most starting PGs get open looks for their teammates. He's not doing anything special or unreplaceable.

U say that now that he is having a bad run of things...Who else do u think was attainable that could replace his production???...Who doesn't want Chris Paul or Tony Parker...But at some point reality has to set in...

Lin. Who just so happens to be having another good game tonight. Houston with a lead over Memphis

Shouldn't be any argument here, we could have had the same exact team and kept Lin.

And I don't like Lin as a basketball player, but can't deny the obvious.

I don't see it as being so obvious..Five games ago, Felton was being talked about as an all star while Lin was minutes reduced to play Toney Douglas...

So when is Woodson gonna reduce Feltons minutes?

I guarantee you we would not have the same record if Lin was the PG given the year he has had thus far...

I don't like Lin either, if it helps the understanding.

But maybe our record might be better since we could have had both.

But neither would be Knicks by the trade deadline if i had anything to do with it.

Depends on who you are getting in return...This team is very dependent on good PG play...But as you pointed out earlier, Felton's value will be felt in the playoffs..But we will see...

Trust me it would be a pg.

I do think Felton will help in the playoffs, but that's because hopefully we'll be at full strength and all he needs to do is pass and bring the ball up.

Well contrary to many on this board, I think Felton was a huge get for us...He fits very well with what we are trying to do..I really didn't understand what u meant earlier by saying Felton didn't fit with what we were trying to do...PGs don't grow on trees...Calderon and Miller don't get into the lane like that nor does Curry and a few others that u mentioned...But it's a long season...I'm sure his play will be up and down again a few times like most NBA players...

Anji wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:LOL, i only said that because of that hijacking thread. I don't care about tangent Novack talk, but how is Felton a part of the convo??!!

(Guns going off the deep end Linsanity I know.)

He got into the conversation when I pointed out that his bad games hurt the team at least as much as Novak's do.

The thing is, Novak's production is replaceable on this very roster...We don't have to look far and wide...Dude is listed at 6' 10" and grabbing 2 boards per 25 mins...Can't shoot over Nate Robinson...

That's what I was talking about. Could the team be stronger if we traded Novack and gave Copeland 15 minutes a night?

I'm pretty sure he'll give us what Novack produces. Plus we could add a better fitting role player.

I think you're selling Novak very short.

His value isn't his points, it's the potential of those points.

Teams aren't gameplanning for Copeland, Novak is in their scouting report.

There's a difference between game planning and scouting reports. Teams aren't revolving there team defense around stopping Novack. They are telling a couple guys don't help off Novack and stopping him.

I'm pretty sure we can get more out of Copeland, because you guard him with Nate Robinson. Actual points are worth more then potential points.

Scouting reports are league wide. If teams are actually telling their players not to help off Novack, that's importance.

I think Copeland produces because their is zero pressure when he is the game, but he is a zero sum player.

He does nothing on the other end.

I agree to disagree, Copeland was big in the Nets win and Crash didn't abuse him off the dribble or on cuts.

If Copeland gives nothing on the other end what does Novack give??? Does he Take???

I don't see the great help it is that teams don't leave Novack, when he can't score and the team doesn't score. Give me that other guy who score with a hand in his face.

Who is scoring with a hand in their face? that sounds like an idiot, not a smart player.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:LOL, i only said that because of that hijacking thread. I don't care about tangent Novack talk, but how is Felton a part of the convo??!!

(Guns going off the deep end Linsanity I know.)

He got into the conversation when I pointed out that his bad games hurt the team at least as much as Novak's do.

The thing is, Novak's production is replaceable on this very roster...We don't have to look far and wide...Dude is listed at 6' 10" and grabbing 2 boards per 25 mins...Can't shoot over Nate Robinson...

That's what I was talking about. Could the team be stronger if we traded Novack and gave Copeland 15 minutes a night?

I'm pretty sure he'll give us what Novack produces. Plus we could add a better fitting role player.

I think you're selling Novak very short.

His value isn't his points, it's the potential of those points.

Teams aren't gameplanning for Copeland, Novak is in their scouting report.

There's a difference between game planning and scouting reports. Teams aren't revolving there team defense around stopping Novack. They are telling a couple guys don't help off Novack and stopping him.

I'm pretty sure we can get more out of Copeland, because you guard him with Nate Robinson. Actual points are worth more then potential points.

Scouting reports are league wide. If teams are actually telling their players not to help off Novack, that's importance.

I think Copeland produces because their is zero pressure when he is the game, but he is a zero sum player.

He does nothing on the other end.

I agree to disagree, Copeland was big in the Nets win and Crash didn't abuse him off the dribble or on cuts.

If Copeland gives nothing on the other end what does Novack give??? Does he Take???

I don't see the great help it is that teams don't leave Novack, when he can't score and the team doesn't score. Give me that other guy who score with a hand in his face.

Novak at the moment at least tries on defense, I don't even think Copeland has a clue on that end.

Who is scoring with a hand in their face? that sounds like an idiot, not a smart player.

Novak tries on D???...Really..Missed the games last night did you??..Novak stood while two players went for easy layups right by him...Dude had one foul...I don't think u have seen much of Copeland to render an opinion about his defensive capabilities...That said, he can't be worse than Novak...

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:LOL, i only said that because of that hijacking thread. I don't care about tangent Novack talk, but how is Felton a part of the convo??!!

(Guns going off the deep end Linsanity I know.)

He got into the conversation when I pointed out that his bad games hurt the team at least as much as Novak's do.

The thing is, Novak's production is replaceable on this very roster...We don't have to look far and wide...Dude is listed at 6' 10" and grabbing 2 boards per 25 mins...Can't shoot over Nate Robinson...

That's what I was talking about. Could the team be stronger if we traded Novack and gave Copeland 15 minutes a night?

I'm pretty sure he'll give us what Novack produces. Plus we could add a better fitting role player.

I think you're selling Novak very short.

His value isn't his points, it's the potential of those points.

Teams aren't gameplanning for Copeland, Novak is in their scouting report.

There's a difference between game planning and scouting reports. Teams aren't revolving there team defense around stopping Novack. They are telling a couple guys don't help off Novack and stopping him.

I'm pretty sure we can get more out of Copeland, because you guard him with Nate Robinson. Actual points are worth more then potential points.

Scouting reports are league wide. If teams are actually telling their players not to help off Novack, that's importance.

I think Copeland produces because their is zero pressure when he is the game, but he is a zero sum player.

He does nothing on the other end.

I agree to disagree, Copeland was big in the Nets win and Crash didn't abuse him off the dribble or on cuts.

If Copeland gives nothing on the other end what does Novack give??? Does he Take???

I don't see the great help it is that teams don't leave Novack, when he can't score and the team doesn't score. Give me that other guy who score with a hand in his face.

Novak at the moment at least tries on defense, I don't even think Copeland has a clue on that end.

Who is scoring with a hand in their face? that sounds like an idiot, not a smart player.

Novak tries on D???...Really..Missed the games last night did you??..Novak stood while two players went for easy layups right by him...Dude had one foul...I don't think u have seen much of Copeland to render an opinion about his defensive capabilities...That said, he can't be worse than Novak...

Apparently you haven't watch Copeland at all if you don't think his defense is dreadful.

Ha...So what did you mean when u said Felton doesn't fit with what the Knicks are trying to do?

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Right according to Clyde Felton is an allstar

Felton is very instrumental to where we are right now...How are u missing this fact...

I think we are on separate wave lengths. I think we are where we are despite Felton. We're here mainly because of Melo, Kidd, Chandler, JR and the biggest culprit of all Mike Woodson

Two wave lengths is correct...U don't see it's Felton play that has help Chandler and JKidd and getting Brewer open looks...U don't have to believe me..U can listen to the post game commentary of Hahn and Wally...

Sure, but most starting PGs get open looks for their teammates. He's not doing anything special or unreplaceable.

U say that now that he is having a bad run of things...Who else do u think was attainable that could replace his production???...Who doesn't want Chris Paul or Tony Parker...But at some point reality has to set in...

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:There are probably at least 15 or 20 PGs in the league who could do what Felton does and shoot a higher percentage. With Chandler you just have to be able to drive and throw the ball anywhere within a 2 or 3 foot radius and Chandler will put it in. It helps when you have several guys hitting 40% of their 3s also. We have Felton because we didn't have the money available to get a better PG. He's not awful by any means. Clearly guys like Bibby, Douglas, and and Davis couldn't do last year what Felton does but he doesn't have any admirable unique abilities either.

Name them...

I actually agree with him on the surface at present.

But I do believe Felton will be invaluable come playoff time, and thats where the separation will be.

CP, Deron, Rondo, Lawson, TP, Westbrook, Rubio, Kyrie, Conley, Jennings, Teague, Jrue, Steph Curry, Calderon, Wall, Miller.

All of these guys could fit and produce with the talent we have, and i may have left some off.

Most NBA players have their ups and downs...Those who don't have their ups and downs are our Superstars...Felton is not a Superstar...He will have ups and downs..But what he brings to the table fits Chandler's ability, Jkidd's ability and most important Amare's skill sets like a glove...Calderon can't do it and isn't better, Miller can't get into the lane like that and isn't better, Steph Curry don't get into the lane like that, Teague is not better...All the others are and will be getting paid like Superstars...Felton is outperforming his contract right now..Like Walt said, he is having a better year than DWill...

The point is there are plenty of pg's who can do what felton does WITH this squad.

What this team needs and what Felton does isn't quite the same.

There is a reason Felton is rarely on the court without another pg with him.

He's ok, but definitely not great.

There...

knickscity wrote:So the teams needs their pg to shoot 38% from the field while taking 16 shots?

And that quote has nothing to do with "fit", he fits fine as there are quite a few low % chuckers on the team.

I'll say he has been doing a little more than just that..Novak is shooting one percentage point better and gives u nothing else...