playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

Sheesh- the world view of some gun owners on this thread! Do guns give off some sort of chemical that makes their owners paranoid?!

DurzoBlint wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

are you defending them....I'm not sure If I am reading this as you intended or, I'm missing your point. If you are defending them, then the only I witnesses that matter to me are the dead children and the innocent people at the movie theater and shopping malls. I hope they gang rape him in jail before skinning his ass alive.

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yes. What was alcohol created for? For recreation? For relaxation? Or for directly causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people each year in traffic accidents.

We legislated alcohol out of existence. How did that work out?

You cannot legislate behaviour. The revolving logic that holds doggedly to the idea that creating laws about inanimate things will keep criminals from doing bad things is the height of ignorance. Prohibition stopped law abiding people from getting alcohol. It did not stop bootleggers and organized crime. Gin flowed.

Gun control stops law-abiding people like you and me from getting AK-47's and the like; it won't stop people who are bound and determined to do evil. It's a big world, there are ways to get whatever you want.

And I don't own a gun, and I've never hunted in my life.

Nuts have used fertilizer and box cutters to kill hundreds and thousands. We increased security. Legislation about fertilizer and box cutters should be on the way.

And lots of folks I know don't target shoot at silouhettes of people. They shoot at targets...bulleyes.

You have a society that glorifies and pumps out CGI violence in all forms, and then you cry for the laws to resolve everything when atrocious massacres like this happen, over and over again.

The mall, the movie theatre, schools, the airport, the embassies... it goes on and on and on.

Change your society. Concentrate on that abstract connection between the morality and the things that are real. That's really not that abstract at all.

assuming this is directed at me.

Alcohol and guns are the same? OK... but your 10000% wrong, because you CAN legislate behavior. Have drunk driving fatalities gone down? Yes they have. Tougher drunk driving rules have reduced the accidents.

Nothing will eliminate the threat. Nobody is suggesting such a solution. But those who would say non action? Well I guess since about 17k were killed in booze related traffic fatalities why bother to legislate it all?

Sorry, but the legislation works and the numbers prove it.

Your right.. change society. The problem is people cant agree on how. In the meantime its OK to pass laws that protect citizens. There's a reason you cant buy dynomite at Home Depot, and there is a reason regular citizens should not have weapons designed to kill and do so with speed, acuracy and quantity. If this guy had to reload after 3 shots a lot more kids are in that school. Thats the reality.

No, you see, the reality is he didn't get the guns legally. He stole them. So if he couldn't steal them from him mom, did that mean he says, oh well, I guess i'm stymied?

Here's a newsflash for you. He could go on the internet and find someone to buy the gun/fetilizer/c4/plutonium from. Good, law-abiding people don't do things like that. That's the problem. The people who do atrocities like this are not "regular citizens".
This person shot his mother in the face, point blank. He didn't need to reload.

And lets follow your logic. He couldn't get his hands on a Bushmaster or a handgun that fires off more than three rounds. So, instead he has what? 6 or 7 handguns that fire three rounds each? You do the math. And how tough is it to find someone who will show you step by step how to adjust your safe, three round only weapon to fire 30 at a clip?

Counting bullets is not going to solve anything, and thinking it will is beyond reality. It's a pacifier for the horror.

Do you honestly think the majority of your drug dealers, gang bangers and lunatic fringe groups are going to be worried about the nice legislation you're going to put in place to stop them from getting and distributing these weapons?

You don't learn from the past, then you repeat it. And saying we don't know how to change society, but it's okay to pass laws is a bit confusing.

Next week, it will be legislation on gasoline.

dumbest statement I have ever read. This is why the most prolific and funded terrorist organization used box cutters to hijack planes. Why go through all that pilot training when they could have just ordered a nuke on amazon.

You missed the point on the 3 bullets. If the weapon can be altered to fire more its illegal. As I said banning guns wont work in the this country, but anything that can be done to protect citizens should be looked at.

Whats the action your proposing to this discussion jrod?

What action do I propose? Something beyond the standard knee-jerk gun control argument. Something beyond the "we can't agree on how to change society" so let's get a band-aid. Why do we have these massacres over and over again? What causes someone to do these things? How does someone stare at other people and pull the trigger over and over again? We don't want to answer that question because it has moral implications. It has nothing to do with "people can't agree on how."

It's not like we don't have a large enough sample size.

I really don't know how high or how young the body count has to get to where we finally figure out that society needs to change, and that it's not going to change by having more forms to fill out, or another bill to pass. Then maybe we'll be on to something.

This nation is slowly destroying itself from the inside. Read some history, even if it's from "the stone age". It's quite enlightening.

Better yet, just ignore it, and post a new sign. It's easier.

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

are you defending them....I'm not sure If I am reading this as you intended or, I'm missing your point. If you are defending them, then the only I witnesses that matter to me are the dead children and the innocent people at the movie theater and shopping malls. I hope they gang rape him in jail before skinning his ass alive.

playa suggests that all these mass shootings are a result of a larger dark organization and these lone wolves are never acting alone. IF you believe they are your a media following sheep. We have been down this road once or twice with him

Fishmike, just because I am at the scene dead doesn't prove I killed anybody, the teacher said she saw two shadows running from the scene. who were they and what were they running from ? No one will answer this on. LOL

There is Audio recording of police apprehending 2 Suspects running from the school, both dress in black with camo pants. One of them was captured immediately, the other one ran into the woods.
There is video from a News Helicopter video taping the Police chasing and capturing the man that ran into the woods.
There is Media footage of interview with man that saw Police put man into cop car (Black Top, Camo pants)The man said to witness "He Didn't do it" when walking by.
There is Media footage of interview with young student that saw Police with man handcuffed on the ground near the fire station.

According to the majority here who cares, the guy they claim did it is killed, so lets just mourn the lost it's the respectable thing to do. No Looking for justice is the respectable thing to do. People get set up all the time.

Both of these guys parents are involved with some financial corporations , did any of you know that ?

The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial.

The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO.

Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other.

16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested.

http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/breaking-news-ct-school-shooter-killer-link-to-libor-scandal/

If there was any kind of conspiracy or multiple shooters, you can be certain it will be so well hidden that facts will never see the light of day. People who may know some info will be threatened to not speak, their families will be threatened. The media is already painting any person who owns a gun as a scared, nut case.

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

Sheesh- the world view of some gun owners on this thread! Do guns give off some sort of chemical that makes their owners paranoid?!

because when lunatics shart shooting into a crowd the normal reaction for the average citizen is to look around and start taking notes.

Why as a crazed lunatic, I need to wear a mask or a vest ???? You guys really need to think for a minute.

Now if I planned on hiding my true identity and need to get away , then it all makes sense.

How do we know you're not actually a member of this dark goverment conspiracy, who is typing these posts to portray people who know what they're up to as paranoid, thus discrediting them? Think about it!

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

Sheesh- the world view of some gun owners on this thread! Do guns give off some sort of chemical that makes their owners paranoid?!

because when lunatics shart shooting into a crowd the normal reaction for the average citizen is to look around and start taking notes.

Why as a crazed lunatic, I need to wear a mask or a vest ???? You guys really need to think for a minute.

Now if I planned on hiding my true identity and need to get away , then it all makes sense.

so they are crazy enough to pack weapons and massacre innocents but we should expect their actions to be that of a rational thinker?

Reasons for a mask:
dramatic
protection
all bad guys in movies wear masks

Your saying all the law enforcement involved is in on a cover up? FBI? Local town? State police? US marshalls? All run by the shadow agency?

Next is the part you tell me the gov purposely staged 911 right?

you know what Fishmike...somethings just don't deserve a response. Never saw this coming from him myself but, WOW UNFUKINGBELIEVEABLE.

I would file this under 'excellent media coverage':

I still don't believe in giving up rights ('Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.") but there quite clearly needs to be reform. A modified M16 should not be accessible to the masses. I also think this speaks to the need of stronger social programming because according to the studies referenced in this story, killers display specific patterns and even tell people that they would commit a crime like this... I don't know what the answer is... honestly, at this point, I think a Congressional study should be commissioned and they should impliment the suggestions of that report. I'll still note my personal beliefs but I'd be happy to defer to expert opinion under oath

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

are you defending them....I'm not sure If I am reading this as you intended or, I'm missing your point. If you are defending them, then the only I witnesses that matter to me are the dead children and the innocent people at the movie theater and shopping malls. I hope they gang rape him in jail before skinning his ass alive.

playa suggests that all these mass shootings are a result of a larger dark organization and these lone wolves are never acting alone. IF you believe they are your a media following sheep. We have been down this road once or twice with him

Fishmike I have proof they aren't alone, there are online police radio reports as soon as it happenened that differ from what the media tells you after the fact. Get a clue bro this is serious

smackeddog wrote:

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

Sheesh- the world view of some gun owners on this thread! Do guns give off some sort of chemical that makes their owners paranoid?!

because when lunatics shart shooting into a crowd the normal reaction for the average citizen is to look around and start taking notes.

Why as a crazed lunatic, I need to wear a mask or a vest ???? You guys really need to think for a minute.

Now if I planned on hiding my true identity and need to get away , then it all makes sense.

How do we know you're not actually a member of this dark goverment conspiracy, who is typing these posts to portray people who know what they're up to as paranoid, thus discrediting them? Think about it!

Dude I've been around for awhile, you must be some newbie trying to get a rep, by calling me out.

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

Sheesh- the world view of some gun owners on this thread! Do guns give off some sort of chemical that makes their owners paranoid?!

because when lunatics shart shooting into a crowd the normal reaction for the average citizen is to look around and start taking notes.

Why as a crazed lunatic, I need to wear a mask or a vest ???? You guys really need to think for a minute.

Now if I planned on hiding my true identity and need to get away , then it all makes sense.

so they are crazy enough to pack weapons and massacre innocents but we should expect their actions to be that of a rational thinker?

Reasons for a mask:
dramatic
protection
all bad guys in movies wear masks

Your saying all the law enforcement involved is in on a cover up? FBI? Local town? State police? US marshalls? All run by the shadow agency?

Next is the part you tell me the gov purposely staged 911 right?

yea... 20 kids slaughtered and 6 adults all unarmed and we are all sheep for believing media coverage that he acted alone. Not what the focus should be.

Why would they want you to think anything different. DUH ? Why has the teachers reports of the others been washed away from the national reporting ?

Who said all LEA were involved in this as a coverup ? Now you're reaching !