NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Guess like Stephen A, bayless & lupica are ultimate flip-floppers. Just because they say that after the Broolyn 45pt game doesn't mean they have any idea what they are talking about. They will be the first to kill Melo the second we lose 2 games in a row. 21 games in and the media is discussing MVP to sell papers and ratings

Statement from voters are superior to statements from people known to HATE Melo and/or people who have stated or indicated or implied that they can not discuss Melo with any sort of reasonableness.

Right but like I said. It's 21 games in and their opinions will change on a whim the second the Knicks lose 2 in a row. Their votes count at the end of the year not after 21 games

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Ultimate bait post even calling out by name! How old are we again?

I feel left out!

AnubisADL wrote:Melo will not get respect until he wins a championship.

Same thing happened when people were hating on Lebron.

I would agree with this.. except for the fact that Lebron was getting all the calls wayyyyyy before he ever won a ring. Melo.. not so much.

gunsnewing wrote:

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Guess like Stephen A, bayless & lupica are ultimate flip-floppers. Just because they say that after the Broolyn 45pt game doesn't mean they have any idea what they are talking about. They will be the first to kill Melo the second we lose 2 games in a row. 21 games in and the media is discussing MVP to sell papers and ratings

Statement from voters are superior to statements from people known to HATE Melo and/or people who have stated or indicated or implied that they can not discuss Melo with any sort of reasonableness.

Right but like I said. It's 21 games in and their opinions will change on a whim the second the Knicks lose 2 in a row. Their votes count at the end of the year not after 21 games

gunsnewing wrote:

NUPE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Ultimate bait post even calling out by name! How old are we again?

I feel left out!

TKF has done his fair sahre of baiting or trolling in this thread. /shrug

It's pretty clear he doesn't like Melo and never will. Arguing with him isn't going to change a thing

TKF's posting would be akin to me going to the HOU Rocket's forum and posting negative things about Lin and Harden every chance I got.

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Guess like Stephen A, bayless & lupica are ultimate flip-floppers. Just because they say that after the Broolyn 45pt game doesn't mean they have any idea what they are talking about. They will be the first to kill Melo the second we lose 2 games in a row. 21 games in and the media is discussing MVP to sell papers and ratings

Statement from voters are superior to statements from people known to HATE Melo and/or people who have stated or indicated or implied that they can not discuss Melo with any sort of reasonableness.

so lets keep that in mind the next time both guys flip flop and kill melo after a bad stretch...

That is fine. At the end of the day the voters are the ones that decide these things RATHER than message board warriors, trolls, baiters, Melo minions, Melo haters, Dolan haters, Dolan lovers, etc. This discussion is mostly just for me to pass time at work and I am merely stating many people that vote consider Melo to be a legit candidate right now rather than a candidate along the lines of OJ Mayo.

so true, so lets keep in mind, if someone doesn't agree, it doesn't mean that they are a hater.... it is discussion, people are not going to always agree..

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

NUPE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Ultimate bait post even calling out by name! How old are we again?

I feel left out!

TKF has done his fair sahre of baiting or trolling in this thread. /shrug

It's pretty clear he doesn't like Melo and never will. Arguing with him isn't going to change a thing

Not liking Melo is not akin to baiting or trolling. That is fine. We are all free to have our opinions. However, comparing Melo to Ronnie Brewer is beyond trollish and not intended to engender anything resembling good discussion. I could care less anyhow. I just find it odd that people feel the need to swoop in and defend TKF's honor as if he does not engage in his fair share of trolling.

TKF's posting would be akin to me going to the HOU Rocket's forum and posting negative things about Lin and Harden every chance I got.

actually you are baiting and trolling when you scream baiting and trolling when there isn't any.. It seems like you may have a problem comprehending what is being said.. I said bernard king as a scorer would make melo look like brewer.. so the comparison was really to bernard king.. Do you have a problem with that? or are you going to continue to embellish the issue and toss out the troll and biat where there isn't any...

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

NUPE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Ultimate bait post even calling out by name! How old are we again?

I feel left out!

TKF has done his fair sahre of baiting or trolling in this thread. /shrug

It's pretty clear he doesn't like Melo and never will. Arguing with him isn't going to change a thing

Not liking Melo is not akin to baiting or trolling. That is fine. We are all free to have our opinions. However, comparing Melo to Ronnie Brewer is beyond trollish and not intended to engender anything resembling good discussion. I could care less anyhow. I just find it odd that people feel the need to swoop in and defend TKF's honor as if he does not engage in his fair share of trolling.

TKF's posting would be akin to me going to the HOU Rocket's forum and posting negative things about Lin and Harden every chance I got.

actually that is not a problem, because there are enough fair minded fans there, that will criticize them... it is a balance that is allowed because people are not there screaming troll everytime someone says something contrary to lin and harden being the greatest..

fishmike wrote:

Anji wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Anji wrote:

fishmike wrote:and when logic utterly fails and falls short for the Melo minions as it always does you can expect the "everything is Melo's fault" crappy posts, and the circle jerk renews.

Minions: Melo is MVP and best player in league right now
normal Knick fans: Ahh... great start to the season but no he's not
Minions: See? You want your team to lose and you are a hater
normal Knick fans: No.. happy the Knicks are winning, but Melo isnt an MVP
Minions: See? everything wrong with the world is Melo's fault. Keep on hating hater
normal Knick fans:

If its not a new thread daily on this crap is only because Mods forcing people to stick to one with 50 pages

Well Fishyboy, you have to look no further than the thread title to see the difference between 2009 and this season.

What kind of Normal fans cares if Melo is getting MVP press??? Shouldn't it Minion, Normal fans and sticksuptheasses??? Because what Kind of stick do you have to have up your ass to fight too joy about your own team???

who's fighting joy? Im very happy Knicks are winning. I love my wife also but dont pretend he's as hot as Alba, and I dont love her any less for not being as hot.

Dont love the Knicks any less that MElo isnt an MVP, has never been an MVP and will never be an MVP. Wouldnt make me love them more if he did win it either.

And how do you know so much about having a stick in the ass? Clearly you have some experience.

Hell... I usually stink at gamepicker because I just cant pick the KNicks to lose, even when I know they are out gunned. Probably the reason this year I am doing so well.

Again, your right to think what ever want about your wife, but I'm not going set you right about her either.
Kind of like Shallow Hal, you looking like George Costanza in this equation bro.

You can love the knicks more or less or realistically, I couldn't careless. But your need to set the Minions right is sicken, what other reason could you have than having a stick up your ass about Melo?

Melo getting MVP talk from Kobe, saying that it isn't even a question he is in the conversation, makes alot of Knick fans happy. Deal with it.

again.. you have a fixation on sodomy with wooden objects. Settle down fella.

You can believe Melo is jesus Christ. Its your opinion. But if you post it in a public forum your going to get rebuttles. Im sorry. Thats what a forum is for.

Didnt Jeremy Lin play like an MVP for like 20 8 games? Wasnt that an exciting stretch of games? Did every Knick fan embrace him here? Sorry If I am Knick fan. I love the team, players come and go.

Why cant I just enjoy the season and the team without minions stuffing their mascots greatness down my throat (or in your case a stick in your ass)?

Truth about Melo is he's fine. Great scorer, all star player. I would enjoy him more also except his minions make any acknowleding the good he's done insufferable.

Also please dont post on the Jason Kidd is MVP thread. Thats making some Knick fans happy and if you dispute that notion its sickening.

Anji wrote:It sucks that fishmike throws out the bait and get's you guys everytime.

There is no point guys, even if Melo does well he is choosing his words so that he can still stand on "this is just what I wanted" or "he is just a cog" or "I was waiting for him to prove me wrong, go look at my posts".

Fish doesn't like Melo, but if they win he can look past him, end of story. There is no changing his stripes, TFK or DK7e or what ever his name is who quit posting on Realgm because of the Melo trade. Leave it be. They don't like Melo, end of the story.

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Ewing is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see how Ewing's play in the 90's is some bar or qualifier to Melo's winning an MVP in 2013. I have not heard anyone that actually votes for the award say "well Ewing never won the award therefore MELO is banned from winning the award so long as he wears a Knick jersey!!!!!"

he is relevent because he was the last Knick to be in the MVP conversation. His accomplishments both personal (awards/honors) and team (Ws/Ls, playoffs) far exceed what Melo has ever done. So there's the bar and yes its relevent.

For Melo to be in the discussion he need to go out and guard and lock down the opposition's best scoring wing. If he's doing that while scoring 25ppg he will be an MVP candidate.

Knicks and Melo have had a great start. Seasons, games and titles arent won in the first qtr., and Melo has NEVER been a legit or serious MVP candidate in the past (Ewing was) so its not like this is the year he gets over the hump. Lets win some playoff games first!

Ewing's career achievements have no bearing on whether Melo will win an MVP in 2013. You people continue to come up with creative reasons as to why Melo can't possibly win. Please show me where one person that actually has a vote has stated Melo can't possibly win MVP because Ewing has never won MVP.

Ewing also never WON NBA DPOY but somehow Tyson managed to win one.

Melo winning NBA MVP has no bearing on whether he is a better or worse player than EWING. MELO is not required to surpass EWING's career in order to win MVP. These imaginary hurdles you people continue to come up with are outlandish.

MVP goes to the best player on one of the top 2 or 4 teams.

The Knicks presently have the best record in the East and 3rd best record in the league. Melo is playing outlandishly well. Melo, according to Stephen A. Smith and Skip (people with votes) is the NBA MVP as of today!

great post. Lets eliminate imaginary hurdles and look at facts
2009-10 Nuggets through 21 games: 16-5
2012-13 KNicks thought 21 games: 16-5

09 Melo: 28ppg 6.5rebs 3.2 assists .458 FG%
12 Melo: 27ppg 6.5rebs 2 aassists .457 FG%

09 Nuggets finished winning their division and having home court in round one where they lost to Jazz in 6 games.

Melo finished 6th in MVP voting that year. 6th.

Hows that $100 bet looking now folks?

Again... happy Knicks having a great season and great start. Happy Melo is playing so well and a big reason for those wins.

Realistic MVP candidate? History would certainly show otherwise, but again... feel free to express your opinions every day in a new thread saying the same thing.

All these things have happened before.

I kind of touched on all of this before fishmike but it continues to fall on deaf ears....

I posted all those links from basketball-reference.com showing MVP finishes

I posted how Melo said he'd be willing to make a sacrifice this year to score 23ppg the same ppg average in 2008-2009(22.8ppg) Nuggets were 16-7 after 23gms, after the A.I./Billups trade. This was the season when Post-Season arrived.... Barkley started dubbing him "Best Pure Scorer" in the NBA. The season following the Olympics. Nuggets won 54gms that year yet Billups finished 6th in MVP voting a year most consider Melo's best because he committed himself to playing defense and team basketball. This was the season the Nuggets went to the WCF against Kobe's Lakers.

Then Melo progresses to next season as you outlined. What have we witnessed since? NO MVPs, No Scoring Titles, No All-NBA First Teams, No Championships,

What's going on here is what went on last year with LIN. It's called the New York overhype overrate effect when the going is good. In New York unlike any other place things get hyped so far beyond normal. Those on the inside tend to lose a sense of all rationalism. He may get some of the above because he's in New York and there is success but Melo is playing no different than his best play in Denver.

When everything settles and the dust clears we'll see the SWITCH IT UP

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

NUPE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Ultimate bait post even calling out by name! How old are we again?

I feel left out!

TKF has done his fair sahre of baiting or trolling in this thread. /shrug

It's pretty clear he doesn't like Melo and never will. Arguing with him isn't going to change a thing

Not liking Melo is not akin to baiting or trolling. That is fine. We are all free to have our opinions. However, comparing Melo to Ronnie Brewer is beyond trollish and not intended to engender anything resembling good discussion. I could care less anyhow. I just find it odd that people feel the need to swoop in and defend TKF's honor as if he does not engage in his fair share of trolling.

TKF's posting would be akin to me going to the HOU Rocket's forum and posting negative things about Lin and Harden every chance I got.

And it would be more like Rockets fans declaring daily in a new thread that Harden was an MVP candidate and you offering reasons you disagree.

Again.. this is why you guys are like minions. You fuel the fire by making stuff up like whats above. Then why people respond you label it hating.