tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

why is the argument" he doesn't have a post game" used so much to defend carmelo.. you guys act as if he is hakeem in the post.. carmelo really doesn't have a post game.. he post up to get the ball, it is more positioning as he turns around and faces up anyway.. harden can beat anyone off the dribble, how is a post game going to help him anymore? and how is that an advantage for carmelo over anyone?

Having a post game is a definite advantage. It causes defense to become imbalanced. being able to start your offense 10 feet away from rim vs. trying to beat a defense 25 feet away is a great advantage. Not sure what you are even saying here. harden beating someone off the dribble does nothing against a great team defense. Look at his performance last year in finals against a great team defensive team.

you can do the same thing without a post game.. you can move without the ball, like durant does.. having a post game allows the defense to set and guard you more effectively.. unless you are shaq of course.... but moving without the ball puts even more stress on a defense.. again, carmelo really doesn't have a "post game", and I think it is being hyped up way to much to give him some advantage over other players he clearly doesn't have.... it hasn't made him a better player or scorer than durant, wade, kobe, lebron or dirk, and according to most of you none of them have a post game. so again, I don't see the point in bringing that up constantly...

you can keep pointing out hardens finals vs the heat, but the spurs were not chopped liver and he did well.. harden has the great ability to beat guys off the dribble and he can play well off the ball... to say you need a post game to do well vs the heat is absolutely ridiculous...

LeBron would not have won if he didn't employ a post game, it was night and day with him.

And the fact he can make plays out the post made the Heat virtually unbeatable.

lebron was going to win because he was GREAT... jeez for the love of god, stop trying these attempts to validate anything carmelo does!

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

why is the argument" he doesn't have a post game" used so much to defend carmelo.. you guys act as if he is hakeem in the post.. carmelo really doesn't have a post game.. he post up to get the ball, it is more positioning as he turns around and faces up anyway.. harden can beat anyone off the dribble, how is a post game going to help him anymore? and how is that an advantage for carmelo over anyone?

Having a post game is a definite advantage. It causes defense to become imbalanced. being able to start your offense 10 feet away from rim vs. trying to beat a defense 25 feet away is a great advantage. Not sure what you are even saying here. harden beating someone off the dribble does nothing against a great team defense. Look at his performance last year in finals against a great team defensive team.

you can do the same thing without a post game.. you can move without the ball, like durant does.. having a post game allows the defense to set and guard you more effectively.. unless you are shaq of course.... but moving without the ball puts even more stress on a defense.. again, carmelo really doesn't have a "post game", and I think it is being hyped up way to much to give him some advantage over other players he clearly doesn't have.... it hasn't made him a better player or scorer than durant, wade, kobe, lebron or dirk, and according to most of you none of them have a post game. so again, I don't see the point in bringing that up constantly...

you can keep pointing out hardens finals vs the heat, but the spurs were not chopped liver and he did well.. harden has the great ability to beat guys off the dribble and he can play well off the ball... to say you need a post game to do well vs the heat is absolutely ridiculous...

LeBron would not have won if he didn't employ a post game, it was night and day with him.

And the fact he can make plays out the post made the Heat virtually unbeatable.

lebron was going to win because he was GREAT... jeez for the love of god, stop trying these attempts to validate anything carmelo does!

what the hell does LeBron getting a post game have to do with Melo?

follow the conversation and stop playing dumb..

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

why is the argument" he doesn't have a post game" used so much to defend carmelo.. you guys act as if he is hakeem in the post.. carmelo really doesn't have a post game.. he post up to get the ball, it is more positioning as he turns around and faces up anyway.. harden can beat anyone off the dribble, how is a post game going to help him anymore? and how is that an advantage for carmelo over anyone?

Having a post game is a definite advantage. It causes defense to become imbalanced. being able to start your offense 10 feet away from rim vs. trying to beat a defense 25 feet away is a great advantage. Not sure what you are even saying here. harden beating someone off the dribble does nothing against a great team defense. Look at his performance last year in finals against a great team defensive team.

you can do the same thing without a post game.. you can move without the ball, like durant does.. having a post game allows the defense to set and guard you more effectively.. unless you are shaq of course.... but moving without the ball puts even more stress on a defense.. again, carmelo really doesn't have a "post game", and I think it is being hyped up way to much to give him some advantage over other players he clearly doesn't have.... it hasn't made him a better player or scorer than durant, wade, kobe, lebron or dirk, and according to most of you none of them have a post game. so again, I don't see the point in bringing that up constantly...

you can keep pointing out hardens finals vs the heat, but the spurs were not chopped liver and he did well.. harden has the great ability to beat guys off the dribble and he can play well off the ball... to say you need a post game to do well vs the heat is absolutely ridiculous...

LeBron would not have won if he didn't employ a post game, it was night and day with him.

And the fact he can make plays out the post made the Heat virtually unbeatable.

lebron was going to win because he was GREAT... jeez for the love of god, stop trying these attempts to validate anything carmelo does!

what the hell does LeBron getting a post game have to do with Melo?

follow the conversation and stop playing dumb..

His point was to show the difference in having a post game and how much pressure it can put on the defense. I think you're the one playing dumb here. Anyone who knows the game wouldn't even argue this point. Ridiculous.

FoeDiddy wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

why is the argument" he doesn't have a post game" used so much to defend carmelo.. you guys act as if he is hakeem in the post.. carmelo really doesn't have a post game.. he post up to get the ball, it is more positioning as he turns around and faces up anyway.. harden can beat anyone off the dribble, how is a post game going to help him anymore? and how is that an advantage for carmelo over anyone?

Having a post game is a definite advantage. It causes defense to become imbalanced. being able to start your offense 10 feet away from rim vs. trying to beat a defense 25 feet away is a great advantage. Not sure what you are even saying here. harden beating someone off the dribble does nothing against a great team defense. Look at his performance last year in finals against a great team defensive team.

you can do the same thing without a post game.. you can move without the ball, like durant does.. having a post game allows the defense to set and guard you more effectively.. unless you are shaq of course.... but moving without the ball puts even more stress on a defense.. again, carmelo really doesn't have a "post game", and I think it is being hyped up way to much to give him some advantage over other players he clearly doesn't have.... it hasn't made him a better player or scorer than durant, wade, kobe, lebron or dirk, and according to most of you none of them have a post game. so again, I don't see the point in bringing that up constantly...

you can keep pointing out hardens finals vs the heat, but the spurs were not chopped liver and he did well.. harden has the great ability to beat guys off the dribble and he can play well off the ball... to say you need a post game to do well vs the heat is absolutely ridiculous...

LeBron would not have won if he didn't employ a post game, it was night and day with him.

And the fact he can make plays out the post made the Heat virtually unbeatable.

lebron was going to win because he was GREAT... jeez for the love of god, stop trying these attempts to validate anything carmelo does!

what the hell does LeBron getting a post game have to do with Melo?

follow the conversation and stop playing dumb..

His point was to show the difference in having a post game and how much pressure it can put on the defense. I think you're the one playing dumb here. Anyone who knows the game wouldn't even argue this point. Ridiculous.

There's been alot of stupidity typed on his computer today.

LeBron game went to absolute heights with the implementation of a post game....has nothing to do with Melo at all.

Even with my Tony Allen comparison, i'd kill for shump to be that guy.

I'd take 7 points with a near 50% clip with solid defense over 40% and overrated defense.

But Wade? Please, Shump has no shot at that, Wade at 30 tore his ass a new one, and I like Shump alot, just not delusional.

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

as opposed to Melo's .390 post-season FG% for us?

Hey Bonn what is Melos FG% or TS% in critical and clutch situations compared to the rest of the league? When the team absolutly needs a bucket?

i don't know about critical or clutch situations but for his career his regular season FG% is an entirely mediocre 45.6 and goes down to a pathetic 41.9 in the playoffs.

in terms of TS% in the regular season it is an entirely mediocre 54.4 (this is his TS% so far this season BTW) and plummets to an awful 51.8 in the playoffs.

these numbers imply that he does not rise to the occasion overall and that if teams do in fact plan for him that his losing playoff history show that he doesn't have the ability to adjust, that he's basically a one-trick pony.

the question is will his defense and hustle plays turn him into a true positive-sum player come the second round of the playoffs?

82games.com has clutch stats. looking at his best season in 08-09 (note no TS% which would include getting to the line):

SHOT ATT eFG ASS BLK NET
Jumpers 71% .300 50% 10% 0.9
Close 21% .667 0% 0% 0.6
Dunk 7% 1.000 0% 0% 0.3
Tips 0% .000 0% 0% 0.0
Inside 29% .750 0% 0% 0.9

these stats don't actually state whether the team is ahead by 5 or behind by 5.

for comparison, if you look at pierce the year garnett was out (08-09), he averages 2.6 net on jumpers and .8 close in. i use this season because without garnett you can be sure that the celtics were fighting from behind more often than not.

pierce 2.6 and .8 in 08-09 the year garnett was out and you presume the celtics will be trailing more often than not
bryant 2.6 and .4 in 08-09 against the inferior magic squad
bryant 1.5 and .6 in 07-08 against the superior celtic squad
wade 1.6 and .6 in 05-06 which was the ref gifting series so he had help
melo 0.9 and .6 in 08-09 which was his most successful playoff season

melo is well off the pace of his so-called peers.

Intersting,

At the same time Wade is 4-16 in the playoffs after he lost Shaq and before he got with Lebron. After the east got stronger and Pierce lost Walker for a 3yr spand he went 3-8 in the playoffs while missing it entirely one of the those yrs before they got Garnett. Bryants 3yr span after he lost Shaq he missed the playoffs then went 4-8 the 2 yrs he did go.

Melo's last 2 playoff yrs in Denver when he got Billups

He averaged 29pts, 456fg%, 840ft%, 9.1ftattempts, 340/3pt%, 7rebs, 3.8ast, 1.8stls, 2.6to

His last yr in the playoffs for Denver
30.7pts, 464fg%, 877ft%, 9.5 ftattempts, 316 3pt%, 8.5rebs, 4ast, 2stls, 3.5tos

According to you guys own stat logic Melo was great in the playoffs his last 2 yrs in Denver. And other then fg% was incredible in the plaoffs vs Boston. Vs Miami we were overmatched and they had the best collections of swamming athletes in the NBA. In comparison Durant who is better then Anthony with WAY more help last playoffs while more effiecient in shooting I believe lost out to Anthony in every other statistical category when facing Miami in the finals while also winning the same amount of games that Anhthony did vs the champs.

You really can't analyze scoring efficiency in a sample of fewer than 1000 shots. If you look at each individual post-season, you're going to have wildly inconsistent data.

Quick question Bonn, based on the stats for his last yr in Denver which he lost in the first rd. Do you believe he lost that series because he was inefficient?

46.4 fg% average
49.1 eFG% below average
56.4 TS% average
32% USG with 3.3 assists and 3.5 turnovers-- not good at all
15% assist rate = 85% isolation scoring

outside of really mediocre scoring efficiency and overall selfishness he surely was not defending and making hustle plays.

these stats really demonstrate how melo is really a zero-sum player. his 30.7 point average for that series is the definition of empty.

So 9.5ft attempts at 87.7%, 2stls per game, 3.3ast(sorry mixed up the previous yr) and 8.5rebs per game is empty.

I don't think its worth continuing this conversation.

No way a board can have the exact same delusionals on it.

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

why is the argument" he doesn't have a post game" used so much to defend carmelo.. you guys act as if he is hakeem in the post.. carmelo really doesn't have a post game.. he post up to get the ball, it is more positioning as he turns around and faces up anyway.. harden can beat anyone off the dribble, how is a post game going to help him anymore? and how is that an advantage for carmelo over anyone?

Having a post game is a definite advantage. It causes defense to become imbalanced. being able to start your offense 10 feet away from rim vs. trying to beat a defense 25 feet away is a great advantage. Not sure what you are even saying here. harden beating someone off the dribble does nothing against a great team defense. Look at his performance last year in finals against a great team defensive team.

you can do the same thing without a post game.. you can move without the ball, like durant does.. having a post game allows the defense to set and guard you more effectively.. unless you are shaq of course.... but moving without the ball puts even more stress on a defense.. again, carmelo really doesn't have a "post game", and I think it is being hyped up way to much to give him some advantage over other players he clearly doesn't have.... it hasn't made him a better player or scorer than durant, wade, kobe, lebron or dirk, and according to most of you none of them have a post game. so again, I don't see the point in bringing that up constantly...

you can keep pointing out hardens finals vs the heat, but the spurs were not chopped liver and he did well.. harden has the great ability to beat guys off the dribble and he can play well off the ball... to say you need a post game to do well vs the heat is absolutely ridiculous...

LeBron would not have won if he didn't employ a post game, it was night and day with him.

And the fact he can make plays out the post made the Heat virtually unbeatable.

lebron was going to win because he was GREAT... jeez for the love of god, stop trying these attempts to validate anything carmelo does!

what the hell does LeBron getting a post game have to do with Melo?

follow the conversation and stop playing dumb..

His point was to show the difference in having a post game and how much pressure it can put on the defense. I think you're the one playing dumb here. Anyone who knows the game wouldn't even argue this point. Ridiculous.

At this point i refuse to think he's playing.

There's been alot of stupidity typed on his computer today.

LeBron game went to absolute heights with the implementation of a post game....has nothing to do with Melo at all.

Even with my Tony Allen comparison, i'd kill for shump to be that guy.

I'd take 7 points with a near 50% clip with solid defense over 40% and overrated defense.

But Wade? Please, Shump has no shot at that, Wade at 30 tore his ass a new one, and I like Shump alot, just not delusional.

actually you should know.. most of the stupidit has come from your keyboard...
stop trying to play the old shell game...

your argument= carmelo has a post game this is what makes him better than god...

therefore lebron adding a post game was the reason why he won a ring.. LOL.. I see the BS you are playing.. NO lebron won because he was great, lebron won because he defends, lebron won, because he can pass, lebron won because he was LEBRON...

Stop trying to validate carmelo through these back channels.. I see it, and I am calling you out for it!!

if his post game has been such a huge advantage than hell, why is carmelo the biggest playoff loser in recent history?

It hasn't given him an advantage!!!

I'd take 7 points with a near 50% clip with solid defense over 40% and overrated defense.

so shumpert defense is overrated? LOL.... so what is he being rated? I simply said he has the potential.. and guess what, he received some votes even a first place vote for DPOY last year.. as a rookie and a perimeter player, which is rare.. Toney Allen is a good player, but shumpert has a much higher ceiling.. you are clueless here...

you are in over your head here.. just admit it and move on..

I'm done.. LOL

Lebron was those same things you listed they year they lost and imploded vs. Dallas and his previous runs to titles. The difference was in last season that put them over the top was his added post game and post presence. Are you denying this? Melo comparison was not God..it was Harden. Stop being dramatic lol. You are trying to hard. Let the hate come natural. smh

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

as opposed to Melo's .390 post-season FG% for us?

Hey Bonn what is Melos FG% or TS% in critical and clutch situations compared to the rest of the league? When the team absolutly needs a bucket?

i don't know about critical or clutch situations but for his career his regular season FG% is an entirely mediocre 45.6 and goes down to a pathetic 41.9 in the playoffs.

in terms of TS% in the regular season it is an entirely mediocre 54.4 (this is his TS% so far this season BTW) and plummets to an awful 51.8 in the playoffs.

these numbers imply that he does not rise to the occasion overall and that if teams do in fact plan for him that his losing playoff history show that he doesn't have the ability to adjust, that he's basically a one-trick pony.

the question is will his defense and hustle plays turn him into a true positive-sum player come the second round of the playoffs?

82games.com has clutch stats. looking at his best season in 08-09 (note no TS% which would include getting to the line):

SHOT ATT eFG ASS BLK NET
Jumpers 71% .300 50% 10% 0.9
Close 21% .667 0% 0% 0.6
Dunk 7% 1.000 0% 0% 0.3
Tips 0% .000 0% 0% 0.0
Inside 29% .750 0% 0% 0.9

these stats don't actually state whether the team is ahead by 5 or behind by 5.

for comparison, if you look at pierce the year garnett was out (08-09), he averages 2.6 net on jumpers and .8 close in. i use this season because without garnett you can be sure that the celtics were fighting from behind more often than not.

pierce 2.6 and .8 in 08-09 the year garnett was out and you presume the celtics will be trailing more often than not
bryant 2.6 and .4 in 08-09 against the inferior magic squad
bryant 1.5 and .6 in 07-08 against the superior celtic squad
wade 1.6 and .6 in 05-06 which was the ref gifting series so he had help
melo 0.9 and .6 in 08-09 which was his most successful playoff season

melo is well off the pace of his so-called peers.

Intersting,

At the same time Wade is 4-16 in the playoffs after he lost Shaq and before he got with Lebron. After the east got stronger and Pierce lost Walker for a 3yr spand he went 3-8 in the playoffs while missing it entirely one of the those yrs before they got Garnett. Bryants 3yr span after he lost Shaq he missed the playoffs then went 4-8 the 2 yrs he did go.

Melo's last 2 playoff yrs in Denver when he got Billups

He averaged 29pts, 456fg%, 840ft%, 9.1ftattempts, 340/3pt%, 7rebs, 3.8ast, 1.8stls, 2.6to

His last yr in the playoffs for Denver
30.7pts, 464fg%, 877ft%, 9.5 ftattempts, 316 3pt%, 8.5rebs, 4ast, 2stls, 3.5tos

According to you guys own stat logic Melo was great in the playoffs his last 2 yrs in Denver. And other then fg% was incredible in the plaoffs vs Boston. Vs Miami we were overmatched and they had the best collections of swamming athletes in the NBA. In comparison Durant who is better then Anthony with WAY more help last playoffs while more effiecient in shooting I believe lost out to Anthony in every other statistical category when facing Miami in the finals while also winning the same amount of games that Anhthony did vs the champs.

You really can't analyze scoring efficiency in a sample of fewer than 1000 shots. If you look at each individual post-season, you're going to have wildly inconsistent data.

Quick question Bonn, based on the stats for his last yr in Denver which he lost in the first rd. Do you believe he lost that series because he was inefficient?

46.4 fg% average
49.1 eFG% below average
56.4 TS% average
32% USG with 3.3 assists and 3.5 turnovers-- not good at all
15% assist rate = 85% isolation scoring

outside of really mediocre scoring efficiency and overall selfishness he surely was not defending and making hustle plays.

these stats really demonstrate how melo is really a zero-sum player. his 30.7 point average for that series is the definition of empty.

So 9.5ft attempts at 87.7%, 2stls per game, 3.3ast(sorry mixed up the previous yr) and 8.5rebs per game is empty.

I don't think its worth continuing this conversation.

Is dk7th and TKF the same poster?

No way a board can have the exact same delusionals on it.

NO!!!!!!

dk is in the anti melo camp but he brings valuable insight and presents logical arguments. He does not do the "lol" and "bro" crap and all the other teenage bs.

dk is much closer to 3G4G but 3G4G actually produces real arguments as well (at times)

TKF is just the house troll who has a really difficult time with multi dimensional thinking. He is a jilted youth lover (that is a bit spooky IMHO)

lol bro!

mrKnickShot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

as opposed to Melo's .390 post-season FG% for us?

Hey Bonn what is Melos FG% or TS% in critical and clutch situations compared to the rest of the league? When the team absolutly needs a bucket?

i don't know about critical or clutch situations but for his career his regular season FG% is an entirely mediocre 45.6 and goes down to a pathetic 41.9 in the playoffs.

in terms of TS% in the regular season it is an entirely mediocre 54.4 (this is his TS% so far this season BTW) and plummets to an awful 51.8 in the playoffs.

these numbers imply that he does not rise to the occasion overall and that if teams do in fact plan for him that his losing playoff history show that he doesn't have the ability to adjust, that he's basically a one-trick pony.

the question is will his defense and hustle plays turn him into a true positive-sum player come the second round of the playoffs?

82games.com has clutch stats. looking at his best season in 08-09 (note no TS% which would include getting to the line):

SHOT ATT eFG ASS BLK NET
Jumpers 71% .300 50% 10% 0.9
Close 21% .667 0% 0% 0.6
Dunk 7% 1.000 0% 0% 0.3
Tips 0% .000 0% 0% 0.0
Inside 29% .750 0% 0% 0.9

these stats don't actually state whether the team is ahead by 5 or behind by 5.

for comparison, if you look at pierce the year garnett was out (08-09), he averages 2.6 net on jumpers and .8 close in. i use this season because without garnett you can be sure that the celtics were fighting from behind more often than not.

pierce 2.6 and .8 in 08-09 the year garnett was out and you presume the celtics will be trailing more often than not
bryant 2.6 and .4 in 08-09 against the inferior magic squad
bryant 1.5 and .6 in 07-08 against the superior celtic squad
wade 1.6 and .6 in 05-06 which was the ref gifting series so he had help
melo 0.9 and .6 in 08-09 which was his most successful playoff season

melo is well off the pace of his so-called peers.

Intersting,

At the same time Wade is 4-16 in the playoffs after he lost Shaq and before he got with Lebron. After the east got stronger and Pierce lost Walker for a 3yr spand he went 3-8 in the playoffs while missing it entirely one of the those yrs before they got Garnett. Bryants 3yr span after he lost Shaq he missed the playoffs then went 4-8 the 2 yrs he did go.

Melo's last 2 playoff yrs in Denver when he got Billups

He averaged 29pts, 456fg%, 840ft%, 9.1ftattempts, 340/3pt%, 7rebs, 3.8ast, 1.8stls, 2.6to

His last yr in the playoffs for Denver
30.7pts, 464fg%, 877ft%, 9.5 ftattempts, 316 3pt%, 8.5rebs, 4ast, 2stls, 3.5tos

According to you guys own stat logic Melo was great in the playoffs his last 2 yrs in Denver. And other then fg% was incredible in the plaoffs vs Boston. Vs Miami we were overmatched and they had the best collections of swamming athletes in the NBA. In comparison Durant who is better then Anthony with WAY more help last playoffs while more effiecient in shooting I believe lost out to Anthony in every other statistical category when facing Miami in the finals while also winning the same amount of games that Anhthony did vs the champs.

You really can't analyze scoring efficiency in a sample of fewer than 1000 shots. If you look at each individual post-season, you're going to have wildly inconsistent data.

Quick question Bonn, based on the stats for his last yr in Denver which he lost in the first rd. Do you believe he lost that series because he was inefficient?

46.4 fg% average
49.1 eFG% below average
56.4 TS% average
32% USG with 3.3 assists and 3.5 turnovers-- not good at all
15% assist rate = 85% isolation scoring

outside of really mediocre scoring efficiency and overall selfishness he surely was not defending and making hustle plays.

these stats really demonstrate how melo is really a zero-sum player. his 30.7 point average for that series is the definition of empty.

So 9.5ft attempts at 87.7%, 2stls per game, 3.3ast(sorry mixed up the previous yr) and 8.5rebs per game is empty.

I don't think its worth continuing this conversation.

Is dk7th and TKF the same poster?

No way a board can have the exact same delusionals on it.

NO!!!!!!

dk is in the anti melo camp but he brings valuable insight and presents logical arguments. He does not do the "lol" and "bro" crap and all the other teenage bs.

dk is much closer to 3G4G but 3G4G actually produces real arguments as well (at times)

TKF is just the house troll who has a really difficult time with multi dimensional thinking. He is a jilted youth lover (that is a bit spooky IMHO)

lol bro!

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

as opposed to Melo's .390 post-season FG% for us?

Hey Bonn what is Melos FG% or TS% in critical and clutch situations compared to the rest of the league? When the team absolutly needs a bucket?

i don't know about critical or clutch situations but for his career his regular season FG% is an entirely mediocre 45.6 and goes down to a pathetic 41.9 in the playoffs.

in terms of TS% in the regular season it is an entirely mediocre 54.4 (this is his TS% so far this season BTW) and plummets to an awful 51.8 in the playoffs.

these numbers imply that he does not rise to the occasion overall and that if teams do in fact plan for him that his losing playoff history show that he doesn't have the ability to adjust, that he's basically a one-trick pony.

the question is will his defense and hustle plays turn him into a true positive-sum player come the second round of the playoffs?

82games.com has clutch stats. looking at his best season in 08-09 (note no TS% which would include getting to the line):

SHOT ATT eFG ASS BLK NET
Jumpers 71% .300 50% 10% 0.9
Close 21% .667 0% 0% 0.6
Dunk 7% 1.000 0% 0% 0.3
Tips 0% .000 0% 0% 0.0
Inside 29% .750 0% 0% 0.9

these stats don't actually state whether the team is ahead by 5 or behind by 5.

for comparison, if you look at pierce the year garnett was out (08-09), he averages 2.6 net on jumpers and .8 close in. i use this season because without garnett you can be sure that the celtics were fighting from behind more often than not.

pierce 2.6 and .8 in 08-09 the year garnett was out and you presume the celtics will be trailing more often than not
bryant 2.6 and .4 in 08-09 against the inferior magic squad
bryant 1.5 and .6 in 07-08 against the superior celtic squad
wade 1.6 and .6 in 05-06 which was the ref gifting series so he had help
melo 0.9 and .6 in 08-09 which was his most successful playoff season

melo is well off the pace of his so-called peers.

Intersting,

At the same time Wade is 4-16 in the playoffs after he lost Shaq and before he got with Lebron. After the east got stronger and Pierce lost Walker for a 3yr spand he went 3-8 in the playoffs while missing it entirely one of the those yrs before they got Garnett. Bryants 3yr span after he lost Shaq he missed the playoffs then went 4-8 the 2 yrs he did go.

Melo's last 2 playoff yrs in Denver when he got Billups

He averaged 29pts, 456fg%, 840ft%, 9.1ftattempts, 340/3pt%, 7rebs, 3.8ast, 1.8stls, 2.6to

His last yr in the playoffs for Denver
30.7pts, 464fg%, 877ft%, 9.5 ftattempts, 316 3pt%, 8.5rebs, 4ast, 2stls, 3.5tos

According to you guys own stat logic Melo was great in the playoffs his last 2 yrs in Denver. And other then fg% was incredible in the plaoffs vs Boston. Vs Miami we were overmatched and they had the best collections of swamming athletes in the NBA. In comparison Durant who is better then Anthony with WAY more help last playoffs while more effiecient in shooting I believe lost out to Anthony in every other statistical category when facing Miami in the finals while also winning the same amount of games that Anhthony did vs the champs.

You really can't analyze scoring efficiency in a sample of fewer than 1000 shots. If you look at each individual post-season, you're going to have wildly inconsistent data.

Quick question Bonn, based on the stats for his last yr in Denver which he lost in the first rd. Do you believe he lost that series because he was inefficient?

46.4 fg% average
49.1 eFG% below average
56.4 TS% average
32% USG with 3.3 assists and 3.5 turnovers-- not good at all
15% assist rate = 85% isolation scoring

outside of really mediocre scoring efficiency and overall selfishness he surely was not defending and making hustle plays.

these stats really demonstrate how melo is really a zero-sum player. his 30.7 point average for that series is the definition of empty.

So 9.5ft attempts at 87.7%, 2stls per game, 3.3ast(sorry mixed up the previous yr) and 8.5rebs per game is empty.

I don't think its worth continuing this conversation.

LOL why do you ignore my statistical analysis and put up your own numbers to justify his performance?

on basic statistics:

game 1 he has a good statline. 1 offensive board and 0 turnovers
game 2 he has a bad statline. 2 offensive boards and 5 turnovers
game 3 he has a bad statline. 0 offensive boards and 4 turnovers
game 4 he has a good statline 6 offensive boards and 9 turnovers
game 5 he has a bad statline. 2 offensive boards and 1 turnover
game 6 he has a bad statline. 3 offensive boards and 2 turnovers

but on advanced statistics:

game 1 he has a great statline. much of it b/c he was assisted on 24.6% of his shots
game 2 he has a bad statline.
game 3 he has a bad statline.
game 4 he has a bad statline-- he went into total iso mode @ 4.7% ast according to the stats and still lost
game 5 he has a bad statline.
game 6 he has a bad statline.

if you study the series statistically you will conclude that he had only one good and effective game.