tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:melo is a sure thing to do what? the key is to win, and we all know the draft and young players can be a gamble, but if you are doing your homework more so than not you will come out with the right players... trying to recycle melo over and over again, is not going to get you a ring....at some point you have to make good decisions on how you are going to move forward.... You guys seem like you want to hold onto carmelo win a few games, and wait until his value dips and then try to move him.. it doesn't work that way... you have to be smart and proactive, not reactive... if melo doesn't win with this team now.. time to hit the reset button.. no excuses....

So in the Lebron James draft you wouldn't have taken Carmelo Anthony as doing homework on him would tell you that he wouldn't be a franchise player?

I agree there is no excuses for Melo not to have more playoff success with this squad then he has had in the past. I am not looking to move Carmelo Anthony im trying to see him put in a position to succeed.

what does that have to do with the situation we are in now... there are a lot of players I would have taken in a lot of drafts that I would not keep trying to rebuild around after so many years of not getting it done...

History doesn't agree with you, Melo can be a winner, but it takes talent around him no different than any other player.

I guess according to you Pierce should have been traded, the Lakers should have sent Kobe to the Bulls, and the Mavs should have given up on Dirk.

The point is beef up the talent and then judge.

He has the needed talent now, and 2-3 years to get that done.

HISTORY is on my side.. look at his playoff record....

I guess according to you Pierce should have been traded, the Lakers should have sent Kobe to the Bulls, and the Mavs should have given up on Dirk.

If the celtics were going to continue to build a team centered around pierce then yes.. but instead they built a team centered around 3 players.. knicks continue to try to build the Denver nuggets.. that team was not a championship team...

As far as kobe.. why bring him into the discussion? he won 5 rings... I don't see your point here..

Dirk? he isn't a playoff loser like carmelo,again I don't see your point here...

The point is "win" right?

None of those players won anything as the man until talent was put around them.

Pierce Kobe and Dirk were losers prior to superior talent being placed around them.

All those guys were trade bait at some point in their careers too due to the belief that they could not win as "that guy".

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:melo is a sure thing to do what? the key is to win, and we all know the draft and young players can be a gamble, but if you are doing your homework more so than not you will come out with the right players... trying to recycle melo over and over again, is not going to get you a ring....at some point you have to make good decisions on how you are going to move forward.... You guys seem like you want to hold onto carmelo win a few games, and wait until his value dips and then try to move him.. it doesn't work that way... you have to be smart and proactive, not reactive... if melo doesn't win with this team now.. time to hit the reset button.. no excuses....

So in the Lebron James draft you wouldn't have taken Carmelo Anthony as doing homework on him would tell you that he wouldn't be a franchise player?

I agree there is no excuses for Melo not to have more playoff success with this squad then he has had in the past. I am not looking to move Carmelo Anthony im trying to see him put in a position to succeed.

what does that have to do with the situation we are in now... there are a lot of players I would have taken in a lot of drafts that I would not keep trying to rebuild around after so many years of not getting it done...

History doesn't agree with you, Melo can be a winner, but it takes talent around him no different than any other player.

I guess according to you Pierce should have been traded, the Lakers should have sent Kobe to the Bulls, and the Mavs should have given up on Dirk.

The point is beef up the talent and then judge.

He has the needed talent now, and 2-3 years to get that done.

HISTORY is on my side.. look at his playoff record....

I guess according to you Pierce should have been traded, the Lakers should have sent Kobe to the Bulls, and the Mavs should have given up on Dirk.

If the celtics were going to continue to build a team centered around pierce then yes.. but instead they built a team centered around 3 players.. knicks continue to try to build the Denver nuggets.. that team was not a championship team...

As far as kobe.. why bring him into the discussion? he won 5 rings... I don't see your point here..

Dirk? he isn't a playoff loser like carmelo,again I don't see your point here...

The point is "win" right?

None of those players won anything as the man until talent was put around them.

Pierce Kobe and Dirk were losers prior to superior talent being placed around them.

All those guys were trade bait at some point in their careers too due to the belief that they could not win as "that guy".

actually not...the difference is, the celts and pierce realized that he needed superior talent around him, dirk was the superior talent and wasn't a colossal playoff loser like carmelo.... dirk was progressing, getting out of the first round, year after year....

the problem is the knicks,carmelo and some hopelessly delusional fans don't realize this... Keep building around the guy until he is 38 seems to be the rally cry around here...

Actually the Celtics combined perennial losers together....KG hadn't been out of the first round but once either.....and Ray enjoyed quite a few lotto years prior to Boston, bad enough to draft Durant after his very last year.

The point is they didn't trade Pierce just because he couldn't get the job done.

For me, as a fan, if i were to make a trade it's to improve the club, no going backwards in hopes of moving forward 5 years later.

Now lets get the cat out the bag, give me a trade, right here right now, that is reasonable, that would improve the club immediately by trading Melo.

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:melo is a sure thing to do what? the key is to win, and we all know the draft and young players can be a gamble, but if you are doing your homework more so than not you will come out with the right players... trying to recycle melo over and over again, is not going to get you a ring....at some point you have to make good decisions on how you are going to move forward.... You guys seem like you want to hold onto carmelo win a few games, and wait until his value dips and then try to move him.. it doesn't work that way... you have to be smart and proactive, not reactive... if melo doesn't win with this team now.. time to hit the reset button.. no excuses....

So in the Lebron James draft you wouldn't have taken Carmelo Anthony as doing homework on him would tell you that he wouldn't be a franchise player?

I agree there is no excuses for Melo not to have more playoff success with this squad then he has had in the past. I am not looking to move Carmelo Anthony im trying to see him put in a position to succeed.

what does that have to do with the situation we are in now... there are a lot of players I would have taken in a lot of drafts that I would not keep trying to rebuild around after so many years of not getting it done...

History doesn't agree with you, Melo can be a winner, but it takes talent around him no different than any other player.

I guess according to you Pierce should have been traded, the Lakers should have sent Kobe to the Bulls, and the Mavs should have given up on Dirk.

The point is beef up the talent and then judge.

He has the needed talent now, and 2-3 years to get that done.

HISTORY is on my side.. look at his playoff record....

I guess according to you Pierce should have been traded, the Lakers should have sent Kobe to the Bulls, and the Mavs should have given up on Dirk.

If the celtics were going to continue to build a team centered around pierce then yes.. but instead they built a team centered around 3 players.. knicks continue to try to build the Denver nuggets.. that team was not a championship team...

As far as kobe.. why bring him into the discussion? he won 5 rings... I don't see your point here..

Dirk? he isn't a playoff loser like carmelo,again I don't see your point here...

The point is "win" right?

None of those players won anything as the man until talent was put around them.

Pierce Kobe and Dirk were losers prior to superior talent being placed around them.

All those guys were trade bait at some point in their careers too due to the belief that they could not win as "that guy".

actually not...the difference is, the celts and pierce realized that he needed superior talent around him, dirk was the superior talent and wasn't a colossal playoff loser like carmelo.... dirk was progressing, getting out of the first round, year after year....

the problem is the knicks,carmelo and some hopelessly delusional fans don't realize this... Keep building around the guy until he is 38 seems to be the rally cry around here...

Actually the Celtics combined perennial losers together....KG hadn't been out of the first round but once either.....and Ray enjoyed quite a few lotto years prior to Boston, bad enough to draft Durant after his very last year.

The point is they didn't trade Pierce just because he couldn't get the job done.

For me, as a fan, if i were to make a trade it's to improve the club, no going backwards in hopes of moving forward 5 years later.

Now lets get the cat out the bag, give me a trade, right here right now, that is reasonable, that would improve the club immediately by trading Melo.

actually the celtics put together 3 very good to great ball players... especially KG, a guy who has a lot of awards to validate his place in the league...

a reasonable trade? rofl that is ridiculous.. how in the hell am I supposed to know what other teams will move... but I will give you a move I think we should do.. No finals, cut bait... I mean trade carmelo in a salary dump,and if you can do the same thing with amare.. so be it.... I would start right there... It is called taking a step back to take two forward....

Really great ball player who hadn't won squat either, isn't that the point? They hadn't won anything.

As far as the other point, I'd think with your obvious interest to blow up the entire team, which is downright stupid, especially if it's finals or bust, you'd at least have an idea of what to look for.