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Looks like he contacted us when Amar'e went down:

"If someone calls me tomorrow, I don't care who it is, whether it's losing or winning at this point," Martin said. "If someone calls me tomorrow and wants me to come in, I'm going. Guys are going down and [teams] are like, 'Well, we are going to stick with what we got.' I'm like, 'Really?' I started questioning myself, 'Am I that bad of a guy?' "

Hmm, don't know if he's left it too late- Wouldn't want to get rid of Sheed now, but maybe I'd consider cutting White to make room- don't know if I actually would though.

smackeddog wrote:Well it seems like Kenyon Martin is now desperate to return- said he'd accept the minimum, the contract could be unguaranteed and he'd play for a losing team. Someones agent seems to have overplayed their hand:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kenyon-martin-upset-he-can-t-get-nba-job-04311709.html;_ylt=AoZLJIouNvLxW9bn34l9kEC8vLYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1cjgwMGQ0BG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBOQkEEcGtnA2ExMDg3ZTU0LTA0MWYtM2VkMC04Zjk1LWRlMzYxY2Y3MWU3NQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzJkZjQzZmYzLTI2ZWUtMTFlMi1hZmViLTU0MTcxOTYxYmM5NA--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoNjVvZWVyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuYmEEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3

Looks like he contacted us when Amar'e went down:

"If someone calls me tomorrow, I don't care who it is, whether it's losing or winning at this point," Martin said. "If someone calls me tomorrow and wants me to come in, I'm going. Guys are going down and [teams] are like, 'Well, we are going to stick with what we got.' I'm like, 'Really?' I started questioning myself, 'Am I that bad of a guy?' "

Hmm, don't know if he's left it too late- Wouldn't want to get rid of Sheed now, but maybe I'd consider cutting White to make room- don't know if I actually would though.

Now that we have seen Rasheed play I would not cut him for MArtin. Sheed is not there yet but if he gets back to 80% to where he was at as a PF he would make one of the better back up centers. Basically he is a veteran and better version of Spencer Hawes because he understands defense.

It would really hurt to cut White because I have been following him since High School but Martin would add another great weapon. The knicks need front line depth to keep the minutes down for the older players and Amar'e down due to health. It would also help keep Melo minutes down too. The knicks actually had to play Melo at center in back to back games for some stretches and that's crazy. They could use Kenyon.

Nalod wrote:Respect was always there. I can't forget what a dick he was in Portland.

nalod - why are some athletes forgiven, and others (like Sheed) held in contempt for nearly a decade after any funky behavior?

Portland is so long ago. We have a season that promises to hold multiple twists and turns - why dwell on the past?

misterearl wrote:Spree Was A Dick In Golden State

Nalod wrote:Respect was always there. I can't forget what a dick he was in Portland.

nalod - why are some athletes forgiven, and others (like Sheed) held in contempt for nearly a decade after any funky behavior?

Portland is so long ago. We have a season that promises to hold multiple twists and turns - why dwell on the past?

Impressions are what they are. Over the years I see him on the court breaking Tech records. He plays for Detroit and Celtics and I don't find any reason to like him. As a knick overnite I should love him?

One or two press conferences with some nice sound bites I should love him?

familiarity breeds confidence. Lets see how it goes. Why should I fogive him when I don't even really hold him accountable to begin with?

Spree's choke job should never gotten out of the gym and if it was not a matter for the authorities to me it was a private matter. But it went public. I gave the guy a chance. On court he was great, but he was always late for camp and the broke hand thing was not cool. As a knick I apprecate his input but he eventually wore out his welcome with coaches and management. I don't care about management BTW. His beligerance toward DOlan was kind of cool even though it was the wrong time and place.

misterearl wrote:All The Answer Man Is Saying, Is Give Sheed A Chance...

Q. nalod - One or two press conferences with some nice sound bites I should love him?

A. the swooping hook

Q. nalod - familiarity breeds confidence. Lets see how it goes. Why should I forgive him when I don't even really hold him accountable to begin with?

A. bitter beer-faced.

Only Mike Woodson can hold a player accountable. From early indications, that seems to be an effective tactic. Coach controls the minutes. You control the remote and your keyboard. Big difference.

Q. nalod - As a knick overnite I should love him?

A. Of course not. But harboring resentment only makes your skin erupt in zits. Overnite love also leads to unwanted pregnancies.

Nalod wrote:Do you not understand what his "dog and pony" comment was?

nalod - Rasheed Wallace is intelligent enough to understand that the MSG "victory cigar" cheers at the end of a game are reserved for the last man on the bench. Harthorne Wingo. Herb Williams. He took the high road when Mike Woodson asked if he wanted to play against the Heat. By leaving the decision in the hands of the player, Mike Woodson demonstrated respect for what Rasheed has invested in the game over 15 seasons.

What you fail to realize in your myopic point of view, just like the starting baseball pitcher who refuses to tip his cap to the fans upon removal from a game, it would have been taking a crap on the fans if Sheed declined to play. The Garden fans are intelligent enough to know that Sheed is a proud veteran so they celebrate his made baskets, rebounds and assists that much more. He has no business being on the floor after two years away and we all know New Yorkers LOVE a comeback story. It's a show. It's Broadway.

You already know this, but insist on sticking to a negative agenda because Sheed does not conform to your image of The Boy Scout. Tough noogies. There are plenty of ballers, Melo included, who define themselves in their vocabulary - not yours. The fact that you refuse to accept them as just everyday people is not their loss. Or ours.

It is simply an indicator of your cookie cutter thinking that all men must dribble a ball to the same beat.

He's an is what it is kinda guy. Nothing over team.

The 38-year-old Wallace, who will be a vital part of the rotation, has played in eight conference finals and his teams have made 14 consecutive postseason appearances. Jason Kidd, who turns 40 in March, owns a ring, has been to three Finals and has played in 16 consecutive playoffs.

Kurt Thomas, who turned 40 last month, has played in one Finals and two more conference finals. Ronnie Brewer comes from winning teams in Utah and Chicago, where he went to the conference finals, and 35-year-old Pablo Prigioni has played in big games overseas.

"We were able to hand pick some guys that we thought could come in and help us. Everybody that's come in is starting to buy in. Everybody that's come in can play." - Mike Wodson - via Al Iannazzone

Evidence

Q. VCoug - if (Rasheed) isn't able to even scrimmage why should we believe that he'll be able to play in a game?

A. Because this game has always been, and will always be, about buckets.

This is just the beginning

yellowboy90 wrote:I get Amar'e going to "the Dream" for help but now that Rasheed is with the Knicks I feel like he would be a nice mentor on how to play inside and outside. In many ways Carmelo could learn from him too. I realize that Sheed settled for the outside shot to much but his post game was excellent.

This team is really interesting to me because to me at least it seems like every player has a mentor he can model his game after to improve their ability.

yellowboy - excellent point. Knicks practices are a basketball laboratory. A mesh of decades of experience, sorting through nuance. The thing that caught everyone by surprise is how fast men adapted to each other on the fly. There is no reason that this meeting of the minds should have taken any less than two months. Parallel universe? See the Los Angeles Lakers.

“I’m still getting used to Pablo. He likes that quick dump-off pass. I know the little things he likes to do as far as when it comes to pick-and-rolls. On defense we’re both talking. As far as the language barrier goes, you can still talk with hand signals. I’m not good on my Spanish and I know he’s not good with his English too much, but you can’t go wrong with hand signals.” - Rasheed Wallace on his running buddy.

The moves that Amare studied under Hakeem are second nature to Rasheed

“There’s no more posting up in this league. Sitting at home watching these last two years you have guys who originally are small forwards you have them playing power forward and center. That’s one thing Woody and I were talking about before, when I was thinking about coming up: ‘Hey, beat them up on the post.’ Not a lot of teams post unless it’s a true seven-footer — the (Andrew) Bynums, the Roy Hibberts, the Gasols. It’s a true 7-footer, then yeah, they’ll post up.”

... for Sheed?

Thankfully, Knicks head coach Mike Woodson had enough pull to coax him back in the court. Yes, our 12th man off the bench was a lottery selection for a reason.

Should Sheed wear an Uncle Drew disguise, or a Meadowlark Lemon mask?