Mray20 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Followed the thread farther and Lin looked really good in the latest scrimage footage they posted.

shocker. He will average close to 20 & 10 and Knicks fans will morn after being eliminated in the 2nd round by not Miami but Boston

Scrimmage lol against a ****ty Rockets bench r u kidding me.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The Knicks have proven its a lot easier to replace role players than add a star player. When we traded for Melo there was major concern that the cupboard was bare outside of Melo, Stoudemire, Billups, and Fields. Now the Knicks still have Melo and Stoudemire but have added Chandler, Camby, Felton, Kidd, Smith, Shumpert, Novak, and Brewer as major supporting players. I would say it is very easy to replace the role players and more important to build thru the stars first given this example. Smith, Shumpert, and Novak collectively bring more to the table than Gallo and Chandler did.

actually we have proven neither point.. we don't have the same quality role players we had and we still don't have a star player on this team... a legitimate star....

You can say whatever about Melo being not being a star, but only player we have had better in the past 30 years is Ewing. Melo is a top 15 player in the league. No he's not Lebron, Kobe, etc, but he's a star in this league and an elite talent. There was no way to get a better player nor will there be in the near future. If your 2nd and 3rd best players are Gallo and Chandler you just aren't winning anything. And Shumpert has proven to have better potential than those 2 already. If you draft well in the mid to late 1st round, you will get players as good or better than Gallo and Chandler. You won't get players as good as Melo. Shumpert will be better than Gallo and Chandler.

actually ESPN had him at 17.. LOL.. so not sure where you are getting top 15, but whatever.. and NO carmelo was not better than bernard king, and for that matter was not better than sprewell...... heck I will throw houston in there as well.... when carmelo gets his fat arse out of the first round then we can talk....

If your 2nd and 3rd best players are Gallo and Chandler you just aren't winning anything

your logic fails.. gallo is already on a better team as one of their top players.. carmelo has been the #1 guy for how long... AND WHAT HAS HE WON!!!! STOP WITH THE EXCUSES AND TELL ME WHAT HAS HE WON? no excuses.. none... he has won NOTHING....

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Competitive basketball can be maintained for the next 6-7yrs.

We had that with the previous team except more flexibility

Not guranteed, but it could have been. Ironic you would be banking on the same PG and PF that you don't think will get it done today. The organization went in another direction so be it. You can cry over it or you can move on.

Im all for moving on from the past but you have to admit that we might have only 2-3 years to have very good seasons then its back to the drawing boards. also we havent exactly had a great history in the draft

Wasn't banking on Felton or Amar'e per say but was banking on maybe turning Felton/Amar'e and or picks/AR//Fields/Douglas/ into the missing/better pieces. We had a winning record despite all the injuries/trade rumors/unfamiliarity/new style of play. I also wanted the coach swapped out a long time ago not last year.

Don't even try and flip this either. It's the other way around. Most fans said the team was going nowhere which had Felton/Amar'e, therefore the team needed a facelift. It needed to STARFUDGE at all costs no matter what. I always begged to differ.

I was fine with the team going forward since they only played about 40gms together factoring injuries. I wanted more games played for an official data analysis and what the team looked like in the playoffs. Surely they could have accomplished getting swept by Boston 4-0. What do you think?

When Felton was traded he was being talked about something fierce. Matter of fact most fans were disgusted with Felton's point play because they felt he iced the kids out too much, playing patty cake with Amar'e in the PNR.

Amare was not going to be moved or turned into anything. Once he was signed he was a knick until his contract ran out so automatically there is a flaw in that plan. Gallo and Wilson were also going to be re-upped, Fields would look to be reupped the following yr. The team needed a superstar to put along side of Gallo, Wilson, Fields, Amare, Felton at eiher Center or SG as well as adding in more depth in order for it to be a championship calibre team. The odds of that superstar falling to the Knicks lap was slim to none. I'm guessing the Knicks org felt they can go for the superstar like Melo now and then look to find the Gallo, Wilson and Felton type pieces later on.

I'm guessing they felt it is a lot harder to land a guy like Melo then it is to land guys like Gallo and Chandler etc..

Denver basically has Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov, Lawson, our draft picks, added Iggy and Mcgee. Should I be expecting them to be chasing a championship?

true, superstars don't fall into anyone's lap at all.... so you have to be smart and patient on how you build your team... I keep hearing melo referred to as a superstar, well how is he any more of a star than amare? this is what I don't get.. we didn't get a superstar in amare, but a guy who at one time was playing near elite level ball, but not a superstar( and amare is one of my favorite players in the league)... we didn't get a superstar in melo either, but a guy who is a great streak scorer.... either way, the knicks gave up a lot and still didn't accomplish what dolan intended to do... I also keep hearing it is easy to replace gallo and chandler, but we have yet to find the young talent to replace these guys.... brewer, Jr smith, prigioni, and a host of 40 year old guys are not equal replacements.... we did get a mulligan with lin, but botched that one up....

Listen, im like you and the majority of sports fans across the world. We like to see players that we drafted ourself groomed and develop under our own eyes built into championship contenders. But I also know that neither way guarantees success or championships. Once Gallo, Chandler, Fields got new contracts the honey moon would be over and expectations would start to set in. Now the same cap situation you were looking at thinking you can add in all these star players and talent to build a great team is no longer there at the same time there is no guarantee that Gallo, Chandler, Fields, or Mozgov take the nessesary steps in growth.

As for Melo and Amare. I'm pretty sure Melo demonstrated that when he went 18-6 without Lin or Amare. Melo also 2 yrs younger and doesn't have any major injury concerns to worry about thus far. Amare has never shown to be as clutch as Melo has been thrugh out his career and Melo has a WAY more versitile offensive game then Amare from either the post or periemter. Melo may be slightly better defensively as well and a better passer though neither are great. With Melo we took a shot at a 26 yr old star talent in hopes that during his prime he elevate to another level. Its not like Melo was ran out of Denver or is coming off of major injury concerns. Or was 32 yrs old.

Melo hasn't consistently played like a superstar for us the last 2 seasons that we can all agree with. But at the same time I don't feel either he or MDA together were in a position to succeed together.

Jr Smith is a comparable player to Gallo and Chandler. Gallo and Chandler have a better feel for the game but Jr produces at a simular level with less mins and a lesser contract. Tyson Chandler was added through the Gallo-Melo trade and is arguably a better player then Gallo and Wilson. Felton has been brought back.

Melo, Jr Smith, Novak, Tyson is an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov, Douglas, the draft picks are yet to be determined.

that is a lie, sorry bro.. melo has been far from a superstar here.. if anything amare has proven that, especially when he first got here... all of melo's clutchness has gotten him what? you see people like to throw around "clutch", "best pure scorer"... tell me, when has that ever been an advantage for melo or any of the teams he played on? when? amare has had more success both individually and withing a team concept...

fine if you didn't believe in the guys we had.. I don't believe in who we traded them for... give me a chris paul, a nash, and heck, I am on board....we traded for denvers problem, the nuggets are on the verge of being very good for a long time now that he is gone.. and we have a 2 year window to hope to beat miami... that is a sorry tradeoff..

you know I was against the trade from the start, but I didn't become so bitter until I found out, that we sucked with carmelo... had we resembled a decent team, I would have been ok... but so far with melo on our team, all I get are excuses... this guy is no superstar, he is a over glorified streak scorer..

his career resume backs that up completely...

and JR smith is a mental midget bozo... please don't even compare him to gallo and chandler.. Please stop!

Where did NY/NY lie? he said Melo hasn't consistently played like a superstar which is very true.

Also, Just because you dont like JR ona personal level doesn't mean his numbers dont stack up tot Gallo and Chandler

JR:

9-10- 15 pts 2 ast 3 rbs 27 mins
10-11 12 pts 3 ast 4 rbs 25 mins
11-12 12 pts 2 ast 4 rbs 25 mins

Gallo:

9-10 15 pts 2 ast 5 rbs 34 mins
10-11 16 pts 1.6 ast 5rbs 35 mins
11-12 14 pts 3 ast 5 rbs 32 mins

Chandler:

9-10 15pts 1.7 ast 5 rbs 36 mins
10-11 16pts 1.6 ast 6 rbs 34 mins

JR's numbers are very comparable to Chandler and Gallo's who both averaged 8-10 mins more per game.

Really, this current Knicks roster is head and shoulders above and superior in just about every way to the Gallo, Mozgov, Amar'e, Felton, Fields Knick team. You know someone is either trolling or not rational when they try to claim otherwise.

NUPE wrote:NYNY, don't waste your time. There are several posters on this board whose sole agenda is to overrate Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov and Lin and be overly-critical of the current team. These are the same people claiming Melo is not a superstar, Melo ran Lin out of town, Melo is selfish, Melo is a loser, etc. These people also tend to try to insinuate that Gallo will be as good or better than Melo eventually....

Really, this current Knicks roster is head and shoulders above and superior in just about every way to the Gallo, Mozgov, Amar'e, Felton, Fields Knick team. You know someone is either trolling or not rational when they try to claim otherwise.

After while you learn to ignore irrational posters. These people are to certain current Knick players what Shaq is to Dwight Howard. They dislike the person so much until their opinion becomes totally illogical. BTW, Shaq recently said that Brook Lopez and Andrew Bynum are the two best centers in the league. One poster here said that Gallo is better than Carmelo Anthony....like...now! Funny.

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Competitive basketball can be maintained for the next 6-7yrs.

We had that with the previous team except more flexibility

Not guranteed, but it could have been. Ironic you would be banking on the same PG and PF that you don't think will get it done today. The organization went in another direction so be it. You can cry over it or you can move on.

Im all for moving on from the past but you have to admit that we might have only 2-3 years to have very good seasons then its back to the drawing boards. also we havent exactly had a great history in the draft

Wasn't banking on Felton or Amar'e per say but was banking on maybe turning Felton/Amar'e and or picks/AR//Fields/Douglas/ into the missing/better pieces. We had a winning record despite all the injuries/trade rumors/unfamiliarity/new style of play. I also wanted the coach swapped out a long time ago not last year.

Don't even try and flip this either. It's the other way around. Most fans said the team was going nowhere which had Felton/Amar'e, therefore the team needed a facelift. It needed to STARFUDGE at all costs no matter what. I always begged to differ.

I was fine with the team going forward since they only played about 40gms together factoring injuries. I wanted more games played for an official data analysis and what the team looked like in the playoffs. Surely they could have accomplished getting swept by Boston 4-0. What do you think?

When Felton was traded he was being talked about something fierce. Matter of fact most fans were disgusted with Felton's point play because they felt he iced the kids out too much, playing patty cake with Amar'e in the PNR.

Amare was not going to be moved or turned into anything. Once he was signed he was a knick until his contract ran out so automatically there is a flaw in that plan. Gallo and Wilson were also going to be re-upped, Fields would look to be reupped the following yr. The team needed a superstar to put along side of Gallo, Wilson, Fields, Amare, Felton at eiher Center or SG as well as adding in more depth in order for it to be a championship calibre team. The odds of that superstar falling to the Knicks lap was slim to none. I'm guessing the Knicks org felt they can go for the superstar like Melo now and then look to find the Gallo, Wilson and Felton type pieces later on.

I'm guessing they felt it is a lot harder to land a guy like Melo then it is to land guys like Gallo and Chandler etc..

Denver basically has Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov, Lawson, our draft picks, added Iggy and Mcgee. Should I be expecting them to be chasing a championship?

true, superstars don't fall into anyone's lap at all.... so you have to be smart and patient on how you build your team... I keep hearing melo referred to as a superstar, well how is he any more of a star than amare? this is what I don't get.. we didn't get a superstar in amare, but a guy who at one time was playing near elite level ball, but not a superstar( and amare is one of my favorite players in the league)... we didn't get a superstar in melo either, but a guy who is a great streak scorer.... either way, the knicks gave up a lot and still didn't accomplish what dolan intended to do... I also keep hearing it is easy to replace gallo and chandler, but we have yet to find the young talent to replace these guys.... brewer, Jr smith, prigioni, and a host of 40 year old guys are not equal replacements.... we did get a mulligan with lin, but botched that one up....

Listen, im like you and the majority of sports fans across the world. We like to see players that we drafted ourself groomed and develop under our own eyes built into championship contenders. But I also know that neither way guarantees success or championships. Once Gallo, Chandler, Fields got new contracts the honey moon would be over and expectations would start to set in. Now the same cap situation you were looking at thinking you can add in all these star players and talent to build a great team is no longer there at the same time there is no guarantee that Gallo, Chandler, Fields, or Mozgov take the nessesary steps in growth.

As for Melo and Amare. I'm pretty sure Melo demonstrated that when he went 18-6 without Lin or Amare. Melo also 2 yrs younger and doesn't have any major injury concerns to worry about thus far. Amare has never shown to be as clutch as Melo has been thrugh out his career and Melo has a WAY more versitile offensive game then Amare from either the post or periemter. Melo may be slightly better defensively as well and a better passer though neither are great. With Melo we took a shot at a 26 yr old star talent in hopes that during his prime he elevate to another level. Its not like Melo was ran out of Denver or is coming off of major injury concerns. Or was 32 yrs old.

Melo hasn't consistently played like a superstar for us the last 2 seasons that we can all agree with. But at the same time I don't feel either he or MDA together were in a position to succeed together.

Jr Smith is a comparable player to Gallo and Chandler. Gallo and Chandler have a better feel for the game but Jr produces at a simular level with less mins and a lesser contract. Tyson Chandler was added through the Gallo-Melo trade and is arguably a better player then Gallo and Wilson. Felton has been brought back.

Melo, Jr Smith, Novak, Tyson is an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov, Douglas, the draft picks are yet to be determined.

that is a lie, sorry bro.. melo has been far from a superstar here.. if anything amare has proven that, especially when he first got here... all of melo's clutchness has gotten him what? you see people like to throw around "clutch", "best pure scorer"... tell me, when has that ever been an advantage for melo or any of the teams he played on? when? amare has had more success both individually and withing a team concept...

fine if you didn't believe in the guys we had.. I don't believe in who we traded them for... give me a chris paul, a nash, and heck, I am on board....we traded for denvers problem, the nuggets are on the verge of being very good for a long time now that he is gone.. and we have a 2 year window to hope to beat miami... that is a sorry tradeoff..

you know I was against the trade from the start, but I didn't become so bitter until I found out, that we sucked with carmelo... had we resembled a decent team, I would have been ok... but so far with melo on our team, all I get are excuses... this guy is no superstar, he is a over glorified streak scorer..

his career resume backs that up completely...

and JR smith is a mental midget bozo... please don't even compare him to gallo and chandler.. Please stop!

The difference between me and you TKF is that I don't have emotional investents in either Gallo, Chandler, Melo or Lin or anyone on the Knicks. There for I can straight shoot without any emotional bias. You on the other hand clearly have an emotional investment to specific players and its effecting your ability to do so.

Melo as the unquestioned best player in Denver has a career win % of 591. Amare on the other hand was like 0-7 without Steve Nash in Pheniox while Nash won like 60games and went to the playoffs without Amare. Then was 2 games above 500. when he was an MVP candidate for 54 games. While Melo went 18-6 when he was an MVP candidate for 24 games while doing it with in your opinion lesser talent. And since I know you will throw in some type of comment about playoffs. Amare without Nash is 1-8 in the playoffs.

I don't remember Denver begging for us to take Melo off there hands because he was a problem. I don't remember Denver shopping Melo around in order to see if they can unload him at any point in his career.

I never said that I didn't believe in the guys we had. What I am saying is the guys we traded away aren't sure thing superstars to be getting our panties in a bunch over. Sure I would have like to keep them and watch them develop because we drafted them, but its not like we traded away Bird and Jordan. Gallo and Chandler haven't done anything so far in there careers since we traded them away to make me feel that we screwed up by letting them go.

You say Denver will be a good team for a long time and maybe they will be, yet I don't hear you talking about championships with them. Thats because we all know they are a superstar player away from being a contender and there only hopes of getting that superstar is if Iggy, Gallo and or Mcgee turn into that or if they package guys together to land one.

You can say that Gallo and Wilson are better then Jr Smith that fine, but to say that its not even comparable is a prime example of you being to emotionally invested. Reguardless Melo, Smith, Novak, Tyson is still an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov and picks.

lol, yea you have no emotional investment at all you just post on these forums to keep your typing skills up to par.. right? come on man please stop...

you are taking the NY homer approach... and this love affair with melo is hilarious.... funny how amare's success is because of nash and carmelo's failures are because of everyone else.. just amazing..

You say Denver will be a good team for a long time and maybe they will be, yet I don't hear you talking about championships with them. Thats because we all know they are a superstar player away from being a contender and there only hopes of getting that superstar is if Iggy, Gallo and or Mcgee turn into that or if they package guys together to land one.

denver has a better shot than us.. but they have some obstacles, in LA and the thunder.. I can at least be honest about that... I keep hearing this crap that they are a superstar away.... if that was the case why didn't they ever come close with carmelo? heck a lot of teams are a superstar away, we are one of them... we are a superstar or two away... so how are we any better?

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Competitive basketball can be maintained for the next 6-7yrs.

We had that with the previous team except more flexibility

Not guranteed, but it could have been. Ironic you would be banking on the same PG and PF that you don't think will get it done today. The organization went in another direction so be it. You can cry over it or you can move on.

Im all for moving on from the past but you have to admit that we might have only 2-3 years to have very good seasons then its back to the drawing boards. also we havent exactly had a great history in the draft

Wasn't banking on Felton or Amar'e per say but was banking on maybe turning Felton/Amar'e and or picks/AR//Fields/Douglas/ into the missing/better pieces. We had a winning record despite all the injuries/trade rumors/unfamiliarity/new style of play. I also wanted the coach swapped out a long time ago not last year.

Don't even try and flip this either. It's the other way around. Most fans said the team was going nowhere which had Felton/Amar'e, therefore the team needed a facelift. It needed to STARFUDGE at all costs no matter what. I always begged to differ.

I was fine with the team going forward since they only played about 40gms together factoring injuries. I wanted more games played for an official data analysis and what the team looked like in the playoffs. Surely they could have accomplished getting swept by Boston 4-0. What do you think?

When Felton was traded he was being talked about something fierce. Matter of fact most fans were disgusted with Felton's point play because they felt he iced the kids out too much, playing patty cake with Amar'e in the PNR.

Amare was not going to be moved or turned into anything. Once he was signed he was a knick until his contract ran out so automatically there is a flaw in that plan. Gallo and Wilson were also going to be re-upped, Fields would look to be reupped the following yr. The team needed a superstar to put along side of Gallo, Wilson, Fields, Amare, Felton at eiher Center or SG as well as adding in more depth in order for it to be a championship calibre team. The odds of that superstar falling to the Knicks lap was slim to none. I'm guessing the Knicks org felt they can go for the superstar like Melo now and then look to find the Gallo, Wilson and Felton type pieces later on.

I'm guessing they felt it is a lot harder to land a guy like Melo then it is to land guys like Gallo and Chandler etc..

Denver basically has Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov, Lawson, our draft picks, added Iggy and Mcgee. Should I be expecting them to be chasing a championship?

true, superstars don't fall into anyone's lap at all.... so you have to be smart and patient on how you build your team... I keep hearing melo referred to as a superstar, well how is he any more of a star than amare? this is what I don't get.. we didn't get a superstar in amare, but a guy who at one time was playing near elite level ball, but not a superstar( and amare is one of my favorite players in the league)... we didn't get a superstar in melo either, but a guy who is a great streak scorer.... either way, the knicks gave up a lot and still didn't accomplish what dolan intended to do... I also keep hearing it is easy to replace gallo and chandler, but we have yet to find the young talent to replace these guys.... brewer, Jr smith, prigioni, and a host of 40 year old guys are not equal replacements.... we did get a mulligan with lin, but botched that one up....

Listen, im like you and the majority of sports fans across the world. We like to see players that we drafted ourself groomed and develop under our own eyes built into championship contenders. But I also know that neither way guarantees success or championships. Once Gallo, Chandler, Fields got new contracts the honey moon would be over and expectations would start to set in. Now the same cap situation you were looking at thinking you can add in all these star players and talent to build a great team is no longer there at the same time there is no guarantee that Gallo, Chandler, Fields, or Mozgov take the nessesary steps in growth.

As for Melo and Amare. I'm pretty sure Melo demonstrated that when he went 18-6 without Lin or Amare. Melo also 2 yrs younger and doesn't have any major injury concerns to worry about thus far. Amare has never shown to be as clutch as Melo has been thrugh out his career and Melo has a WAY more versitile offensive game then Amare from either the post or periemter. Melo may be slightly better defensively as well and a better passer though neither are great. With Melo we took a shot at a 26 yr old star talent in hopes that during his prime he elevate to another level. Its not like Melo was ran out of Denver or is coming off of major injury concerns. Or was 32 yrs old.

Melo hasn't consistently played like a superstar for us the last 2 seasons that we can all agree with. But at the same time I don't feel either he or MDA together were in a position to succeed together.

Jr Smith is a comparable player to Gallo and Chandler. Gallo and Chandler have a better feel for the game but Jr produces at a simular level with less mins and a lesser contract. Tyson Chandler was added through the Gallo-Melo trade and is arguably a better player then Gallo and Wilson. Felton has been brought back.

Melo, Jr Smith, Novak, Tyson is an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov, Douglas, the draft picks are yet to be determined.

that is a lie, sorry bro.. melo has been far from a superstar here.. if anything amare has proven that, especially when he first got here... all of melo's clutchness has gotten him what? you see people like to throw around "clutch", "best pure scorer"... tell me, when has that ever been an advantage for melo or any of the teams he played on? when? amare has had more success both individually and withing a team concept...

fine if you didn't believe in the guys we had.. I don't believe in who we traded them for... give me a chris paul, a nash, and heck, I am on board....we traded for denvers problem, the nuggets are on the verge of being very good for a long time now that he is gone.. and we have a 2 year window to hope to beat miami... that is a sorry tradeoff..

you know I was against the trade from the start, but I didn't become so bitter until I found out, that we sucked with carmelo... had we resembled a decent team, I would have been ok... but so far with melo on our team, all I get are excuses... this guy is no superstar, he is a over glorified streak scorer..

his career resume backs that up completely...

and JR smith is a mental midget bozo... please don't even compare him to gallo and chandler.. Please stop!

The difference between me and you TKF is that I don't have emotional investents in either Gallo, Chandler, Melo or Lin or anyone on the Knicks. There for I can straight shoot without any emotional bias. You on the other hand clearly have an emotional investment to specific players and its effecting your ability to do so.

Melo as the unquestioned best player in Denver has a career win % of 591. Amare on the other hand was like 0-7 without Steve Nash in Pheniox while Nash won like 60games and went to the playoffs without Amare. Then was 2 games above 500. when he was an MVP candidate for 54 games. While Melo went 18-6 when he was an MVP candidate for 24 games while doing it with in your opinion lesser talent. And since I know you will throw in some type of comment about playoffs. Amare without Nash is 1-8 in the playoffs.

I don't remember Denver begging for us to take Melo off there hands because he was a problem. I don't remember Denver shopping Melo around in order to see if they can unload him at any point in his career.

I never said that I didn't believe in the guys we had. What I am saying is the guys we traded away aren't sure thing superstars to be getting our panties in a bunch over. Sure I would have like to keep them and watch them develop because we drafted them, but its not like we traded away Bird and Jordan. Gallo and Chandler haven't done anything so far in there careers since we traded them away to make me feel that we screwed up by letting them go.

You say Denver will be a good team for a long time and maybe they will be, yet I don't hear you talking about championships with them. Thats because we all know they are a superstar player away from being a contender and there only hopes of getting that superstar is if Iggy, Gallo and or Mcgee turn into that or if they package guys together to land one.

You can say that Gallo and Wilson are better then Jr Smith that fine, but to say that its not even comparable is a prime example of you being to emotionally invested. Reguardless Melo, Smith, Novak, Tyson is still an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov and picks.

lol, yea you have no emotional investment at all you just post on these forums to keep your typing skills up to par.. right? come on man please stop...

you are taking the NY homer approach... and this love affair with melo is hilarious.... funny how amare's success is because of nash and carmelo's failures are because of everyone else.. just amazing..

You say Denver will be a good team for a long time and maybe they will be, yet I don't hear you talking about championships with them. Thats because we all know they are a superstar player away from being a contender and there only hopes of getting that superstar is if Iggy, Gallo and or Mcgee turn into that or if they package guys together to land one.

denver has a better shot than us.. but they have some obstacles, in LA and the thunder.. I can at least be honest about that... I keep hearing this crap that they are a superstar away.... if that was the case why didn't they ever come close with carmelo? heck a lot of teams are a superstar away, we are one of them... we are a superstar or two away... so how are we any better?

Lets see, you make claims that Melo is a career loser, that he will never make it out of the first rd, that we have a 2 yr window and then after that we are going to be rebuilding for the next 12 yrs. Yet I am being a homer and you are being rational because I don't agree that the worst possible case senario is absolutely going to happen no way around it.

Where did I blame Melo's failures on everybody else? You tried to throw Amare's accomplishments around when he had someone like Nash who has been one of the best players in the NBA for the last what 5-6yrs to help him accomplish that(On a side note Melo went to the WCF when they got Billups). But when I compared the 2 in the right circumstances like when each of them were the unquestioned best player on the team instead of debating what I stated because you can't you went on another emotional rant.

You claim things like Melo can't play a team game which is why he failed and why we are going to fail as long as he is here. Which I understand since we are coming off the Marbury era and you feel its the same exact situation. But the guy has a .591 career win% with Denver which played a open system. Marbury did not have those same credintials when we traded for him. Melo was not traded because Denver wanted to go in another direction. Yea he has failed in the playoffs over his career. Melo is 28yrs old though, you really don't think its possible or likely for him to ever find success in the playoffs? The odds are greater for Melo to turn around his post season failure then they are for Gallo or Chandler to take there games up 2 levels and become superstars.

And the odds are also greater for Melo to become a superstar then they are for Denver to acquire one, without gutting there team of course.

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Competitive basketball can be maintained for the next 6-7yrs.

We had that with the previous team except more flexibility

Not guranteed, but it could have been. Ironic you would be banking on the same PG and PF that you don't think will get it done today. The organization went in another direction so be it. You can cry over it or you can move on.

Im all for moving on from the past but you have to admit that we might have only 2-3 years to have very good seasons then its back to the drawing boards. also we havent exactly had a great history in the draft

Wasn't banking on Felton or Amar'e per say but was banking on maybe turning Felton/Amar'e and or picks/AR//Fields/Douglas/ into the missing/better pieces. We had a winning record despite all the injuries/trade rumors/unfamiliarity/new style of play. I also wanted the coach swapped out a long time ago not last year.

Don't even try and flip this either. It's the other way around. Most fans said the team was going nowhere which had Felton/Amar'e, therefore the team needed a facelift. It needed to STARFUDGE at all costs no matter what. I always begged to differ.

I was fine with the team going forward since they only played about 40gms together factoring injuries. I wanted more games played for an official data analysis and what the team looked like in the playoffs. Surely they could have accomplished getting swept by Boston 4-0. What do you think?

When Felton was traded he was being talked about something fierce. Matter of fact most fans were disgusted with Felton's point play because they felt he iced the kids out too much, playing patty cake with Amar'e in the PNR.

Amare was not going to be moved or turned into anything. Once he was signed he was a knick until his contract ran out so automatically there is a flaw in that plan. Gallo and Wilson were also going to be re-upped, Fields would look to be reupped the following yr. The team needed a superstar to put along side of Gallo, Wilson, Fields, Amare, Felton at eiher Center or SG as well as adding in more depth in order for it to be a championship calibre team. The odds of that superstar falling to the Knicks lap was slim to none. I'm guessing the Knicks org felt they can go for the superstar like Melo now and then look to find the Gallo, Wilson and Felton type pieces later on.

I'm guessing they felt it is a lot harder to land a guy like Melo then it is to land guys like Gallo and Chandler etc..

Denver basically has Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov, Lawson, our draft picks, added Iggy and Mcgee. Should I be expecting them to be chasing a championship?

true, superstars don't fall into anyone's lap at all.... so you have to be smart and patient on how you build your team... I keep hearing melo referred to as a superstar, well how is he any more of a star than amare? this is what I don't get.. we didn't get a superstar in amare, but a guy who at one time was playing near elite level ball, but not a superstar( and amare is one of my favorite players in the league)... we didn't get a superstar in melo either, but a guy who is a great streak scorer.... either way, the knicks gave up a lot and still didn't accomplish what dolan intended to do... I also keep hearing it is easy to replace gallo and chandler, but we have yet to find the young talent to replace these guys.... brewer, Jr smith, prigioni, and a host of 40 year old guys are not equal replacements.... we did get a mulligan with lin, but botched that one up....

Listen, im like you and the majority of sports fans across the world. We like to see players that we drafted ourself groomed and develop under our own eyes built into championship contenders. But I also know that neither way guarantees success or championships. Once Gallo, Chandler, Fields got new contracts the honey moon would be over and expectations would start to set in. Now the same cap situation you were looking at thinking you can add in all these star players and talent to build a great team is no longer there at the same time there is no guarantee that Gallo, Chandler, Fields, or Mozgov take the nessesary steps in growth.

As for Melo and Amare. I'm pretty sure Melo demonstrated that when he went 18-6 without Lin or Amare. Melo also 2 yrs younger and doesn't have any major injury concerns to worry about thus far. Amare has never shown to be as clutch as Melo has been thrugh out his career and Melo has a WAY more versitile offensive game then Amare from either the post or periemter. Melo may be slightly better defensively as well and a better passer though neither are great. With Melo we took a shot at a 26 yr old star talent in hopes that during his prime he elevate to another level. Its not like Melo was ran out of Denver or is coming off of major injury concerns. Or was 32 yrs old.

Melo hasn't consistently played like a superstar for us the last 2 seasons that we can all agree with. But at the same time I don't feel either he or MDA together were in a position to succeed together.

Jr Smith is a comparable player to Gallo and Chandler. Gallo and Chandler have a better feel for the game but Jr produces at a simular level with less mins and a lesser contract. Tyson Chandler was added through the Gallo-Melo trade and is arguably a better player then Gallo and Wilson. Felton has been brought back.

Melo, Jr Smith, Novak, Tyson is an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov, Douglas, the draft picks are yet to be determined.

that is a lie, sorry bro.. melo has been far from a superstar here.. if anything amare has proven that, especially when he first got here... all of melo's clutchness has gotten him what? you see people like to throw around "clutch", "best pure scorer"... tell me, when has that ever been an advantage for melo or any of the teams he played on? when? amare has had more success both individually and withing a team concept...

fine if you didn't believe in the guys we had.. I don't believe in who we traded them for... give me a chris paul, a nash, and heck, I am on board....we traded for denvers problem, the nuggets are on the verge of being very good for a long time now that he is gone.. and we have a 2 year window to hope to beat miami... that is a sorry tradeoff..

you know I was against the trade from the start, but I didn't become so bitter until I found out, that we sucked with carmelo... had we resembled a decent team, I would have been ok... but so far with melo on our team, all I get are excuses... this guy is no superstar, he is a over glorified streak scorer..

his career resume backs that up completely...

and JR smith is a mental midget bozo... please don't even compare him to gallo and chandler.. Please stop!

Papabear Says

Hey TKF don't get so bent out of shape! There is always the Brooklyn Nets. Be a Nets fan so you don't have to stress yourself out. Melo ain't going nowhere he will be our number 1 go to guy and if that bothers you that much go to the Nets. Don't have a heart attack because Melo is the man and a top 15 player in this league and for this Knicks team he is our SUPER STAR! and you can take that to the bank.

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Competitive basketball can be maintained for the next 6-7yrs.

We had that with the previous team except more flexibility

Not guranteed, but it could have been. Ironic you would be banking on the same PG and PF that you don't think will get it done today. The organization went in another direction so be it. You can cry over it or you can move on.

Im all for moving on from the past but you have to admit that we might have only 2-3 years to have very good seasons then its back to the drawing boards. also we havent exactly had a great history in the draft

Wasn't banking on Felton or Amar'e per say but was banking on maybe turning Felton/Amar'e and or picks/AR//Fields/Douglas/ into the missing/better pieces. We had a winning record despite all the injuries/trade rumors/unfamiliarity/new style of play. I also wanted the coach swapped out a long time ago not last year.

Don't even try and flip this either. It's the other way around. Most fans said the team was going nowhere which had Felton/Amar'e, therefore the team needed a facelift. It needed to STARFUDGE at all costs no matter what. I always begged to differ.

I was fine with the team going forward since they only played about 40gms together factoring injuries. I wanted more games played for an official data analysis and what the team looked like in the playoffs. Surely they could have accomplished getting swept by Boston 4-0. What do you think?

When Felton was traded he was being talked about something fierce. Matter of fact most fans were disgusted with Felton's point play because they felt he iced the kids out too much, playing patty cake with Amar'e in the PNR.

Amare was not going to be moved or turned into anything. Once he was signed he was a knick until his contract ran out so automatically there is a flaw in that plan. Gallo and Wilson were also going to be re-upped, Fields would look to be reupped the following yr. The team needed a superstar to put along side of Gallo, Wilson, Fields, Amare, Felton at eiher Center or SG as well as adding in more depth in order for it to be a championship calibre team. The odds of that superstar falling to the Knicks lap was slim to none. I'm guessing the Knicks org felt they can go for the superstar like Melo now and then look to find the Gallo, Wilson and Felton type pieces later on.

I'm guessing they felt it is a lot harder to land a guy like Melo then it is to land guys like Gallo and Chandler etc..

Denver basically has Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov, Lawson, our draft picks, added Iggy and Mcgee. Should I be expecting them to be chasing a championship?

true, superstars don't fall into anyone's lap at all.... so you have to be smart and patient on how you build your team... I keep hearing melo referred to as a superstar, well how is he any more of a star than amare? this is what I don't get.. we didn't get a superstar in amare, but a guy who at one time was playing near elite level ball, but not a superstar( and amare is one of my favorite players in the league)... we didn't get a superstar in melo either, but a guy who is a great streak scorer.... either way, the knicks gave up a lot and still didn't accomplish what dolan intended to do... I also keep hearing it is easy to replace gallo and chandler, but we have yet to find the young talent to replace these guys.... brewer, Jr smith, prigioni, and a host of 40 year old guys are not equal replacements.... we did get a mulligan with lin, but botched that one up....

Listen, im like you and the majority of sports fans across the world. We like to see players that we drafted ourself groomed and develop under our own eyes built into championship contenders. But I also know that neither way guarantees success or championships. Once Gallo, Chandler, Fields got new contracts the honey moon would be over and expectations would start to set in. Now the same cap situation you were looking at thinking you can add in all these star players and talent to build a great team is no longer there at the same time there is no guarantee that Gallo, Chandler, Fields, or Mozgov take the nessesary steps in growth.

As for Melo and Amare. I'm pretty sure Melo demonstrated that when he went 18-6 without Lin or Amare. Melo also 2 yrs younger and doesn't have any major injury concerns to worry about thus far. Amare has never shown to be as clutch as Melo has been thrugh out his career and Melo has a WAY more versitile offensive game then Amare from either the post or periemter. Melo may be slightly better defensively as well and a better passer though neither are great. With Melo we took a shot at a 26 yr old star talent in hopes that during his prime he elevate to another level. Its not like Melo was ran out of Denver or is coming off of major injury concerns. Or was 32 yrs old.

Melo hasn't consistently played like a superstar for us the last 2 seasons that we can all agree with. But at the same time I don't feel either he or MDA together were in a position to succeed together.

Jr Smith is a comparable player to Gallo and Chandler. Gallo and Chandler have a better feel for the game but Jr produces at a simular level with less mins and a lesser contract. Tyson Chandler was added through the Gallo-Melo trade and is arguably a better player then Gallo and Wilson. Felton has been brought back.

Melo, Jr Smith, Novak, Tyson is an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov, Douglas, the draft picks are yet to be determined.

that is a lie, sorry bro.. melo has been far from a superstar here.. if anything amare has proven that, especially when he first got here... all of melo's clutchness has gotten him what? you see people like to throw around "clutch", "best pure scorer"... tell me, when has that ever been an advantage for melo or any of the teams he played on? when? amare has had more success both individually and withing a team concept...

fine if you didn't believe in the guys we had.. I don't believe in who we traded them for... give me a chris paul, a nash, and heck, I am on board....we traded for denvers problem, the nuggets are on the verge of being very good for a long time now that he is gone.. and we have a 2 year window to hope to beat miami... that is a sorry tradeoff..

you know I was against the trade from the start, but I didn't become so bitter until I found out, that we sucked with carmelo... had we resembled a decent team, I would have been ok... but so far with melo on our team, all I get are excuses... this guy is no superstar, he is a over glorified streak scorer..

his career resume backs that up completely...

and JR smith is a mental midget bozo... please don't even compare him to gallo and chandler.. Please stop!

Papabear Says

Hey TKF don't get so bent out of shape! There is always the Brooklyn Nets. Be a Nets fan so you don't have to stress yourself out. Melo ain't going nowhere he will be our number 1 go to guy and if that bothers you that much go to the Nets. Don't have a heart attack because Melo is the man and a top 15 player in this league and for this Knicks team he is our SUPER STAR! and you can take that to the bank.

how profound papabear.... (smh)

3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Competitive basketball can be maintained for the next 6-7yrs.

We had that with the previous team except more flexibility

Not guranteed, but it could have been. Ironic you would be banking on the same PG and PF that you don't think will get it done today. The organization went in another direction so be it. You can cry over it or you can move on.

Im all for moving on from the past but you have to admit that we might have only 2-3 years to have very good seasons then its back to the drawing boards. also we havent exactly had a great history in the draft

Wasn't banking on Felton or Amar'e per say but was banking on maybe turning Felton/Amar'e and or picks/AR//Fields/Douglas/ into the missing/better pieces. We had a winning record despite all the injuries/trade rumors/unfamiliarity/new style of play. I also wanted the coach swapped out a long time ago not last year.

Don't even try and flip this either. It's the other way around. Most fans said the team was going nowhere which had Felton/Amar'e, therefore the team needed a facelift. It needed to STARFUDGE at all costs no matter what. I always begged to differ.

I was fine with the team going forward since they only played about 40gms together factoring injuries. I wanted more games played for an official data analysis and what the team looked like in the playoffs. Surely they could have accomplished getting swept by Boston 4-0. What do you think?

When Felton was traded he was being talked about something fierce. Matter of fact most fans were disgusted with Felton's point play because they felt he iced the kids out too much, playing patty cake with Amar'e in the PNR.

Amare was not going to be moved or turned into anything. Once he was signed he was a knick until his contract ran out so automatically there is a flaw in that plan. Gallo and Wilson were also going to be re-upped, Fields would look to be reupped the following yr. The team needed a superstar to put along side of Gallo, Wilson, Fields, Amare, Felton at eiher Center or SG as well as adding in more depth in order for it to be a championship calibre team. The odds of that superstar falling to the Knicks lap was slim to none. I'm guessing the Knicks org felt they can go for the superstar like Melo now and then look to find the Gallo, Wilson and Felton type pieces later on.

I'm guessing they felt it is a lot harder to land a guy like Melo then it is to land guys like Gallo and Chandler etc..

Denver basically has Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov, Lawson, our draft picks, added Iggy and Mcgee. Should I be expecting them to be chasing a championship?

true, superstars don't fall into anyone's lap at all.... so you have to be smart and patient on how you build your team... I keep hearing melo referred to as a superstar, well how is he any more of a star than amare? this is what I don't get.. we didn't get a superstar in amare, but a guy who at one time was playing near elite level ball, but not a superstar( and amare is one of my favorite players in the league)... we didn't get a superstar in melo either, but a guy who is a great streak scorer.... either way, the knicks gave up a lot and still didn't accomplish what dolan intended to do... I also keep hearing it is easy to replace gallo and chandler, but we have yet to find the young talent to replace these guys.... brewer, Jr smith, prigioni, and a host of 40 year old guys are not equal replacements.... we did get a mulligan with lin, but botched that one up....

Listen, im like you and the majority of sports fans across the world. We like to see players that we drafted ourself groomed and develop under our own eyes built into championship contenders. But I also know that neither way guarantees success or championships. Once Gallo, Chandler, Fields got new contracts the honey moon would be over and expectations would start to set in. Now the same cap situation you were looking at thinking you can add in all these star players and talent to build a great team is no longer there at the same time there is no guarantee that Gallo, Chandler, Fields, or Mozgov take the nessesary steps in growth.

As for Melo and Amare. I'm pretty sure Melo demonstrated that when he went 18-6 without Lin or Amare. Melo also 2 yrs younger and doesn't have any major injury concerns to worry about thus far. Amare has never shown to be as clutch as Melo has been thrugh out his career and Melo has a WAY more versitile offensive game then Amare from either the post or periemter. Melo may be slightly better defensively as well and a better passer though neither are great. With Melo we took a shot at a 26 yr old star talent in hopes that during his prime he elevate to another level. Its not like Melo was ran out of Denver or is coming off of major injury concerns. Or was 32 yrs old.

Melo hasn't consistently played like a superstar for us the last 2 seasons that we can all agree with. But at the same time I don't feel either he or MDA together were in a position to succeed together.

Jr Smith is a comparable player to Gallo and Chandler. Gallo and Chandler have a better feel for the game but Jr produces at a simular level with less mins and a lesser contract. Tyson Chandler was added through the Gallo-Melo trade and is arguably a better player then Gallo and Wilson. Felton has been brought back.

Melo, Jr Smith, Novak, Tyson is an upgrade over Gallo, Wilson, Mozgov, Douglas, the draft picks are yet to be determined.

that is a lie, sorry bro.. melo has been far from a superstar here.. if anything amare has proven that, especially when he first got here... all of melo's clutchness has gotten him what? you see people like to throw around "clutch", "best pure scorer"... tell me, when has that ever been an advantage for melo or any of the teams he played on? when? amare has had more success both individually and withing a team concept...

fine if you didn't believe in the guys we had.. I don't believe in who we traded them for... give me a chris paul, a nash, and heck, I am on board....we traded for denvers problem, the nuggets are on the verge of being very good for a long time now that he is gone.. and we have a 2 year window to hope to beat miami... that is a sorry tradeoff..

you know I was against the trade from the start, but I didn't become so bitter until I found out, that we sucked with carmelo... had we resembled a decent team, I would have been ok... but so far with melo on our team, all I get are excuses... this guy is no superstar, he is a over glorified streak scorer..

his career resume backs that up completely...

and JR smith is a mental midget bozo... please don't even compare him to gallo and chandler.. Please stop!

Papabear Says

Hey TKF don't get so bent out of shape! There is always the Brooklyn Nets. Be a Nets fan so you don't have to stress yourself out. Melo ain't going nowhere he will be our number 1 go to guy and if that bothers you that much go to the Nets. Don't have a heart attack because Melo is the man and a top 15 player in this league and for this Knicks team he is our SUPER STAR! and you can take that to the bank.

how profound papabear.... (smh)

You know this reminds me of another person making Bank Statments

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER 'KING' WINS ONE"

You can take it to the bank.

Just Like Gilbert Said

Just Like Gilbert Saaaaaaaaiiiiiiiidddddd!!!!!

Txt Msg Alert Approved

someone text? lol

biglove44 wrote:

NUPE wrote:NYNY, don't waste your time. There are several posters on this board whose sole agenda is to overrate Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov and Lin and be overly-critical of the current team. These are the same people claiming Melo is not a superstar, Melo ran Lin out of town, Melo is selfish, Melo is a loser, etc. These people also tend to try to insinuate that Gallo will be as good or better than Melo eventually....

Really, this current Knicks roster is head and shoulders above and superior in just about every way to the Gallo, Mozgov, Amar'e, Felton, Fields Knick team. You know someone is either trolling or not rational when they try to claim otherwise.

There are a lot of Melo homers too. Homers that think of as many excuses as possible as to why he hasn't made the finals/won a championship. It's always someone else's fault or he didn't have X team mate.

It goes both ways. You don't like reading homer posts about other players and I don't like reading homer posts related to Melo.

I think Nupe is weighing in on the new radicals that arrived from realgm. Several posters have been really over the top to the point where it isn't worth responding to them. Hopefully Martin and Andrew can tone them down a bit.