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8/3/2012  8:39 PM
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KMart goes off on Karl, and the Melo situation

Kenyon Martin wrote:"Man, listen, George needs to keep his mouth shut, first and foremost," Martin said. "Melo don't play there no more. So Karl shouldn't be commenting on Melo. If George was such a great coach, then Melo would want to stay. He wouldn't want to leave.

"If the organization was ran right, he wouldn't want to leave, so it ain't Melo. With Melo, not one time when he was there [in the Nuggets' locker room] did he bring that in the locker room when all that stuff was going on. Not one day. Everybody made it a bigger deal than it had to be. That's a good kid.

"They act like this kid was a cancer, like he came in there and destroyed the locker room and made everybody hate him. No, it wasn't nothing like that man. And it bothers me for people to be talking about how he's a selfish player and he has to defend himself."

"They've got the team they wanted now," Martin said. "They got all us out of there. They didn't offer me an extension, they traded [Anthony], J.R. [Smith] is gone [to New York]. They've got the team they want. So why doesn't [Karl] worry about coaching them and leaving Melo alone -- bottom line? It bothers me for them to keep harping at that."

Are these recent quotes or what he said earlier in the year?

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8/4/2012  2:14 AM
Those are fair comments from KMart on Melo's handling of the trade drama. I think fans and players just get it wrong when it comes to critiquing Melo. The reason he gets so much flak is because everyone knows just how talented he is. If he wasn't so talented no one would be expecting more. Melo is going off and playing fast and free in a spread offense. Catch and shoot move without the ball stuff too, which we were told wasn't something he was as good at. He looks more like he did that 1st year after the trade when he was putting up great numbers in MDA's open offense and it wasn't just ISO all day.

Is it too much to ask that he retain that open mindedness when he was playing most of the year? Yeah we know the team had issues this year, but NONE of that had anything to do with Melo's game being so bad. THAT'S what he gets bashed for. KMart and Boeheim can defend Melo all they want, but they've got nothing to explain why Melo sucked most of the year and deserved to get bashed for it. With big talent come big expectations. Melo is a big boy and should be able to handle it. He doesn't need body guards.

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8/4/2012  9:47 AM
nixluva wrote:Those are fair comments from KMart on Melo's handling of the trade drama. I think fans and players just get it wrong when it comes to critiquing Melo. The reason he gets so much flak is because everyone knows just how talented he is. If he wasn't so talented no one would be expecting more. Melo is going off and playing fast and free in a spread offense. Catch and shoot move without the ball stuff too, which we were told wasn't something he was as good at. He looks more like he did that 1st year after the trade when he was putting up great numbers in MDA's open offense and it wasn't just ISO all day.

Is it too much to ask that he retain that open mindedness when he was playing most of the year? Yeah we know the team had issues this year, but NONE of that had anything to do with Melo's game being so bad. THAT'S what he gets bashed for. KMart and Boeheim can defend Melo all they want, but they've got nothing to explain why Melo sucked most of the year and deserved to get bashed for it. With big talent come big expectations. Melo is a big boy and should be able to handle it. He doesn't need body guards.

He was hurt thats why he didnt play well

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8/4/2012  10:29 AM
nixluva wrote:Those are fair comments from KMart on Melo's handling of the trade drama. I think fans and players just get it wrong when it comes to critiquing Melo. The reason he gets so much flak is because everyone knows just how talented he is. If he wasn't so talented no one would be expecting more. Melo is going off and playing fast and free in a spread offense. Catch and shoot move without the ball stuff too, which we were told wasn't something he was as good at. He looks more like he did that 1st year after the trade when he was putting up great numbers in MDA's open offense and it wasn't just ISO all day.

Is it too much to ask that he retain that open mindedness when he was playing most of the year? Yeah we know the team had issues this year, but NONE of that had anything to do with Melo's game being so bad. THAT'S what he gets bashed for. KMart and Boeheim can defend Melo all they want, but they've got nothing to explain why Melo sucked most of the year and deserved to get bashed for it. With big talent come big expectations. Melo is a big boy and should be able to handle it. He doesn't need body guards.

Criticism is fine when its fair. The criticism Melo recieves seems more personal from butt hurt feelings then objective criticism.

It wasn't about Melo being good at it or not. The problem was it wasn't the right stratergy for how the team was constructed so it wasn't going to work consistently or effiecently. Melo is able to play fast and free because he has reliable guards who can beat a trap, or still have the wheels to beat there man off the dribble, have the court vision to create passing lanes and make the right timely passes. Melo's job is that of instant offense off the bench which of course he will excell at because he is overqualified for that role especially when playing with the talent he gets to play with. He was called the best player for the USA team in the 2008 olympics as well in the same system.

But with the knicks he doesn't have Chris Paul or Deron Williams or James Harden or Lebron James or Dwayne Wade all guys who can beat there man and make perfect decisions and passes with the basketball. Instead you would be asking Melo to play off the ball while watching Lin get destroyed by the trap, or Davis/Bibby fail to beat there men off the dribble anymore in order to draw an extra defender to cause the ripple effect needed to find the open man. Or Jr Smith look to shoot his step back jumper. Amare with no back to the basket game and limited ability to create for others out of the post.

The best way for the knicks to have played with the roster they had was to have the role players focus more on defense and give Melo free reign to carry the team offensively poor shooting or not as Melo is more cappable of catching fire and carrying a team offensively then the role players were of creating high % shot for him. As well as running the 2 man pick and roll game with Amare playing center and Novak in for Tyson.

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8/4/2012  11:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2012  11:25 AM
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Carmelo just dropped another 20, with efficient (7-13) shooting, to help lead the United States over Lithuania.

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8/4/2012  11:26 AM
To me its about managing expectations. I think Melo by himself is fine but when fans, like some here start going off about what freaking savior by god he is and then start blaming everything else to support him then its a plain old starphuch.

TO me the only hate there is when Lovers start getting their back ups.

Melo is a great player who happens to be about .500 with the Knicks and the "haters" who did not like the trade pretty much expected not much greatness because Melo is not Lebron and the team lacked depth. Anyone who thought the team was not going to go far was considered "hateful".

Being real is not hate. Saying the Nets might be pretty good is not hate. Its just possible. Saying Melo needs to step it up to fill his hype is not hate, its real.

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8/4/2012  11:27 AM
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nixluva wrote:Those are fair comments from KMart on Melo's handling of the trade drama. I think fans and players just get it wrong when it comes to critiquing Melo. The reason he gets so much flak is because everyone knows just how talented he is. If he wasn't so talented no one would be expecting more. Melo is going off and playing fast and free in a spread offense. Catch and shoot move without the ball stuff too, which we were told wasn't something he was as good at. He looks more like he did that 1st year after the trade when he was putting up great numbers in MDA's open offense and it wasn't just ISO all day.

Is it too much to ask that he retain that open mindedness when he was playing most of the year? Yeah we know the team had issues this year, but NONE of that had anything to do with Melo's game being so bad. THAT'S what he gets bashed for. KMart and Boeheim can defend Melo all they want, but they've got nothing to explain why Melo sucked most of the year and deserved to get bashed for it. With big talent come big expectations. Melo is a big boy and should be able to handle it. He doesn't need body guards.

Criticism is fine when its fair. The criticism Melo recieves seems more personal from butt hurt feelings then objective criticism.

It wasn't about Melo being good at it or not. The problem was it wasn't the right stratergy for how the team was constructed so it wasn't going to work consistently or effiecently. Melo is able to play fast and free because he has reliable guards who can beat a trap, or still have the wheels to beat there man off the dribble, have the court vision to create passing lanes and make the right timely passes. Melo's job is that of instant offense off the bench which of course he will excell at because he is overqualified for that role especially when playing with the talent he gets to play with. He was called the best player for the USA team in the 2008 olympics as well in the same system.

But with the knicks he doesn't have Chris Paul or Deron Williams or James Harden or Lebron James or Dwayne Wade all guys who can beat there man and make perfect decisions and passes with the basketball. Instead you would be asking Melo to play off the ball while watching Lin get destroyed by the trap, or Davis/Bibby fail to beat there men off the dribble anymore in order to draw an extra defender to cause the ripple effect needed to find the open man. Or Jr Smith look to shoot his step back jumper. Amare with no back to the basket game and limited ability to create for others out of the post.

The best way for the knicks to have played with the roster they had was to have the role players focus more on defense and give Melo free reign to carry the team offensively poor shooting or not as Melo is more cappable of catching fire and carrying a team offensively then the role players were of creating high % shot for him. As well as running the 2 man pick and roll game with Amare playing center and Novak in for Tyson.

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8/4/2012  11:31 AM
Nalod wrote:To me its about managing expectations. I think Melo by himself is fine but when fans, like some here start going off about what freaking savior by god he is and then start blaming everything else to support him then its a plain old starphuch.

TO me the only hate there is when Lovers start getting their back ups.

Melo is a great player who happens to be about .500 with the Knicks and the "haters" who did not like the trade pretty much expected not much greatness because Melo is not Lebron and the team lacked depth. Anyone who thought the team was not going to go far was considered "hateful".

Being real is not hate. Saying the Nets might be pretty good is not hate. Its just possible. Saying Melo needs to step it up to fill his hype is not hate, its real.

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I wouldn't be suprised if Melo jumped ship and went to a team that have 3 real super stars like LeBron did.

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8/4/2012  11:44 AM
Nalod wrote:To me its about managing expectations. I think Melo by himself is fine but when fans, like some here start going off about what freaking savior by god he is and then start blaming everything else to support him then its a plain old starphuch.

TO me the only hate there is when Lovers start getting their back ups.

Melo is a great player who happens to be about .500 with the Knicks and the "haters" who did not like the trade pretty much expected not much greatness because Melo is not Lebron and the team lacked depth. Anyone who thought the team was not going to go far was considered "hateful".

Being real is not hate. Saying the Nets might be pretty good is not hate. Its just possible. Saying Melo needs to step it up to fill his hype is not hate, its real.


Being real is not seeing things in black-n-white. When the so-called haters bash Melo for only winning 1 game in the playoffs and not helping us advance, wouldn't being REAL also include acknowledging that with the exception of Melo, all of the other key players were on the sidelines when we lost to Boston? Wouldn't being REAL also include acknowledging that we were without our starting backcourt and Amare (for a game) when we lost to the Heat? The Haters called that making excuses, I call it being REAL. No?

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8/4/2012  11:47 AM
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:To me its about managing expectations. I think Melo by himself is fine but when fans, like some here start going off about what freaking savior by god he is and then start blaming everything else to support him then its a plain old starphuch.

TO me the only hate there is when Lovers start getting their back ups.

Melo is a great player who happens to be about .500 with the Knicks and the "haters" who did not like the trade pretty much expected not much greatness because Melo is not Lebron and the team lacked depth. Anyone who thought the team was not going to go far was considered "hateful".

Being real is not hate. Saying the Nets might be pretty good is not hate. Its just possible. Saying Melo needs to step it up to fill his hype is not hate, its real.


Being real is not seeing things in black-n-white. When the so-called haters bash Melo for only winning 1 game in the playoffs and not helping us advance, wouldn't being REAL also include acknowledging that with the exception of Melo, all of the other key players were on the sidelines when we lost to Boston? Wouldn't being REAL also include acknowledging that we were without our starting backcourt and Amare (for a game) when we lost to the Heat? The Haters called that making excuses, I call it being REAL. No?

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8/4/2012  1:11 PM
Deron Williams was horrible against Lithuania . If Melo had played like that this board would of had him on the cross
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8/6/2012  6:42 PM
Lol Campazzo punched Melo in the nuts as Melo hit a 3 at the 3rd quarter buzzer!

Dirty Argentines!

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8/6/2012  8:09 PM
Jmpasq wrote:Deron Williams was horrible against Lithuania . If Melo had played like that this board would of had him on the cross

Deron has been horrible for a while now. I think he's pretty overrated as a player.

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8/6/2012  8:16 PM
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Jmpasq wrote:Deron Williams was horrible against Lithuania . If Melo had played like that this board would of had him on the cross

Deron has been horrible for a while now. I think he's pretty overrated as a player.


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8/7/2012  12:15 AM
Assigning blame is all too easy. The TEAM succeeds or fails. Its potential when hyped is the problem.

Melo is at fault, just as any other knick. Injuries and depth are reasons not excuses.

Yeah, I think Melo gets unjustifiably blamed for things the team is not equipped to handle. LIke Miami.

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8/7/2012  3:01 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Lol Campazzo punched Melo in the nuts as Melo hit a 3 at the 3rd quarter buzzer!

Dirty Argentines!

It was actually scary looking the way he came down and was rolling on the floor. When the announcer said Melo looked like he was really hurt and seemed to have hurt his ankle I was thinking "NOOO!!!!"
It was actually a relief to know that he had just been hit. Also, pretty much everyone went to his defense...esp Kobe, Lebron and Durant. Even I think Kobe pulled Campazzo to the side after the game... I wonder what he said. I don't know why a dude would ever want to hit another guy there knowing full well he's on camera. I dont know why anyone would do it period. It's just stupid and disrespectful. I hope Melo goes for 40 on that chump.
Did anyone notice it seemed like the cameras were shooting away from where the altercation was happening? Typically, the camera follows the scene the announcers were describing but that wasn't the case. I wonder if the producers did that on purpose.

On a side note, even though LeBron's on our side now, I can't say I didn't enjoy it a tiny bit when Ginobli flopped three times and LeBron picked up the fouls. I'm gonna take it as retribution for all the flopping he did during the playoffs against us.

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8/7/2012  7:07 AM
Campazzo we retaliating for when Kobe punched him at the same spot in the 2nd quarter.

Gotta say at least they tried to stand up to trade jabs.

Is it ok for Team US to hit Campazzo but not ok for them to retaliate? At least no body was hurt.

Both hit their 3pters!

Interesting enough the refs did not call either.

Both looked "floppish".

Its sucked Pablo couild not play. I was looking forward to seeing what he got.

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8/7/2012  8:45 AM
Nalod wrote:Campazzo we retaliating for when Kobe punched him at the same spot in the 2nd quarter.

Gotta say at least they tried to stand up to trade jabs.

Is it ok for Team US to hit Campazzo but not ok for them to retaliate? At least no body was hurt.

Both hit their 3pters!

Interesting enough the refs did not call either.

Both looked "floppish".

Its sucked Pablo couild not play. I was looking forward to seeing what he got.

Argentines are known floppers. The first play, CP3 supposed "pushed or punched" Campazzo in the chest in the first half. In slow motion it didn't look that bad. Ginobili was flopping around like a dolphin the whole game, basically got Lebron in foul trouble. The Melo 3 pter at the 3rd qtr buzzer, Campazzo nut punched, not that hard, but enough to warrant a reaction. Dirty, but not devastating. Surprisingly, D'Antoni came to Melo's defense chatting it up with the Argentine coaches and staff. Either that or he said in Italian "Do it again!"

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I thought Melo flooped also.

ITs part of the game.

I just thought the media reaction was not the same.

YOu know, kind of "americans are better".

Its sort of war and Argentina was getting wooped. Im all for USA but I think after a 20 pt lead Tyson can stop dancing on every "amazing play".

At some point be the gracious winner. Administer a hard felt defeat agasint but keep the dancing at a minimum.

I thought the refs were trying too hard with Westbrooks dunk. His "stare" was not that flagrent.

Nothing wrong with a little scuffle here and there. These guys are playing for the gold.

Yeah, Paul shot might have been cheap if it landed. The guy did look hurt. Melo it seemed did not get hit that hard, the guy was running by and away from him.

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8/7/2012  9:27 AM
Nalod wrote:I thought Melo flooped also.

ITs part of the game.

I just thought the media reaction was not the same.

YOu know, kind of "americans are better".

Its sort of war and Argentina was getting wooped. Im all for USA but I think after a 20 pt lead Tyson can stop dancing on every "amazing play".

At some point be the gracious winner. Administer a hard felt defeat agasint but keep the dancing at a minimum.

I thought the refs were trying too hard with Westbrooks dunk. His "stare" was not that flagrent.

Nothing wrong with a little scuffle here and there. These guys are playing for the gold.

Yeah, Paul shot might have been cheap if it landed. The guy did look hurt. Melo it seemed did not get hit that hard, the guy was running by and away from him.

Nah, the CP3 "shove" to the midsection chest area was nothing, I DVR'ed it. More Argentine flop. The Melo cheapshot was more a ball tap, than a hard nut punch. Either way, ball taps still take a minute to recover from the initial shock. You know how sensitive family jewels are, Nalod! Lala is not a happy camper...


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