Gymkata wrote:My bullet-pointed thoughts (assuming Lin truly is gone):

1. Good luck Jeremy. Honestly. Linsanity was the most fun I had with the Knicks since LJ's 4-point play. Much appreciated.

2. I do think he lost some of his underdog luster along the way, and that tarnishes his image a bit for me. But I'm glad he can now afford his own couch to sleep on.

3. Felton is no slouch and deserves better than lame fat jokes. He was a great Knick and I'm happy to have him back.

4. If this is a basketball/locker-room chemistry decision then I think it's oddly encouraging. You might vehemently disagree with the rationalization, but this strikes me as a non-Dolan move (at least looked through the "starphuck/jersey-selling prism"). Maybe he's listening to his basketball guys? Maybe?

5. Bring on Prigioni-anity!

geez what's wrong with you? way to be pragmatic about the situation.

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CashMoney wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.

Lin did what all players do...go for the most money. However, if his heart was in NYC how hard could it have been to have his agent go to the Knicks and say "Jeremy doesn't want to play anywhere else. Let's come up with a fair number and get it done." and yes this actually does happen in sports.

This may happen in sports when guys have made their money already. Lin hasn't.

So he went for the most $$$ plain and simple. The most the Knicks could have offered him was a 3 year $16.13 million or 5 years at $28.75 mil. He knew it, his agent knew it and the Knicks knew it. Lin is going to exectly where he wants to be. He could have easily went to the Knicks and said the Rockets are offering X. Give me the same deal and I won't sign an offer sheet with them.

Lin is signing for the money. How many players have signed big offer sheets with other teams had them matched by the team? Do you consider those players "traitors" too? It's a business first before anything.

Again, the Knicks thought it was prudent to waste hundreds of millions on lottery teams for players who were downright awful but couldn't pay a year's worth of luxury tax to keep a young, talent point guard on their team.

Exactly, he went for the most money and got it. It is business at the end of the day and the Knicks made a smart business decision for a change. The very defintion of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. I would have prefered to keep him but maybe the Knicks actually made a smart business decision for a change.

gunsnewing wrote:3hrs!

A good ol' fashioned UK countdown!

CashMoney wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.

Lin did what all players do...go for the most money. However, if his heart was in NYC how hard could it have been to have his agent go to the Knicks and say "Jeremy doesn't want to play anywhere else. Let's come up with a fair number and get it done." and yes this actually does happen in sports.

This may happen in sports when guys have made their money already. Lin hasn't.

So he went for the most $$$ plain and simple. The most the Knicks could have offered him was a 3 year $16.13 million or 5 years at $28.75 mil. He knew it, his agent knew it and the Knicks knew it. Lin is going to exectly where he wants to be. He could have easily went to the Knicks and said the Rockets are offering X. Give me the same deal and I won't sign an offer sheet with them.

Lin is signing for the money. How many players have signed big offer sheets with other teams had them matched by the team? Do you consider those players "traitors" too? It's a business first before anything.

Again, the Knicks thought it was prudent to waste hundreds of millions on lottery teams for players who were downright awful but couldn't pay a year's worth of luxury tax to keep a young, talent point guard on their team.

Exactly, he went for the most money and got it. It is business at the end of the day and the Knicks made a smart business decision for a change. The very defintion of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. I would have prefered to keep him but maybe the Knicks actually made a smart business decision for a change.

He didn't "go" for anything. The Rockets offered him the contract and nobody else did. Was he supposed to not sign anywhere and watch the NBA from home this season? This is a guy who made minimum money in his career. Anyone in his position would do the same thing, including you.

The Knicks didn't make any smart decisions. They're capped out for the next 3 years regardless. The only thing this does is save Dolan money. It has no impact on anything else whatsoever. Not really understanding how letting a potential star leave for nothing to save a year's worth of luxury tax payments is a "smart" business decision. This is in no way comparable to Jerome James or any other long-term cap destroying contract. So there's no "insanity" involved in this process.

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.

And all that is well and good. But Lin put on this act of actually wanting to be a Knick. You want to leave, fine. You want the money fine. People will get that and get over it. Lin acted like a naive little victim this entire time. He wasn't.

Should help with whether we match/don't match.

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BasketballJones wrote:

s3231 wrote:Getting a nice glass of scotch ready...

Should help with whether we match/don't match.

Just one glass? Grab the bottle, forget the glass....

We still have almost 2 hours!

Figured I'd start with a glass and switch to the bottle at 11pm.

Good thinking. Just don't drive like our role-model Jason Kidd.

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.

And all that is well and good. But Lin put on this act of actually wanting to be a Knick. You want to leave, fine. You want the money fine. People will get that and get over it. Lin acted like a naive little victim this entire time. He wasn't.

Where are you getting this from? Seriously. Really. What are you even talking about? When did Lin "act like a naive little victim"? Why do people continue to make things up to trash someone for no reason? Is it because the franchise is making yet another stupid move and people are trying to sully Lin's name in order to make it more acceptable?

BasketballJones wrote:

s3231 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

s3231 wrote:Getting a nice glass of scotch ready...

Should help with whether we match/don't match.

Just one glass? Grab the bottle, forget the glass....

We still have almost 2 hours!

Figured I'd start with a glass and switch to the bottle at 11pm.

Good thinking. Just don't drive like our role-model Jason Kidd.

*s3231 puts the car keys down*

JamesKPolk wrote:I'm trying to understand what the reason is for anyone supporting this decision at all. The only one who should be supporting not signing Lin is Dolan's accountant. Nobody else.

The Knicks are capped out for the next 3 years regardless. The only thing this does is save Dolan money. It has no impact on anything else whatsoever. We can't sign anyone with the money we save. Not really understanding how letting a potential star leave for nothing to save a year's worth of luxury tax payments is a "smart" business decision. This is in no way comparable to Jerome James or any other long-term cap destroying contract. So there's no "insanity" involved in this process. The Knicks are letting a talent slip away for what amounts to Dolan not wanting to pay.

Exactly and it's why I don't understand why some fans have strong feelings about the Knicks not overpaying for Lin....

We literally just lose a roster spot with Lin...there is limited downside to this not working out while there is huge risk in letting a potential young star walk away without getting anything in return.