BigDaddyG wrote:Yeah, at this point it may be better to invest in a Stairmaster and dietician and sign Raymond Felton.

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

All I can say now is that Lin better be the real deal or he will hear it from the fans. And if he ain't the real deal we make him sit the second year until he is so frustrated that he would want a buy out for maybe half of the third year.

OK so then both Melo and amare should sit this year, you cool with that? Right.

Papabear Says

Melo and Amare has proved themselves through out the years. Lin has had only 30 games. How can you compare?? You can't!!

I am not comparing anything. You were talking about being the real deal and no player on our roster outside of Tyson and Shump are even close to playing at a level that justifies what we pay for them.

Papabear Says

When Amare first came to the Knicks he played almost a whole season 25 points a game. Melo single handedly took us to the playoffs. I'll tell you what! When those other players you are talking about can play 7 straight years at a high level like Amare and Melo then come talk to me about Lin Shump, and Chandler. Man Chandler needs to work on scoring and rebounding. Defense I'll give him credit.
Back in the day I had a singer like that no one would give him a break but I did and produced a hit record on him. It went to his head and we split up and I continued to produce and write hit songs and he never got another hit song.
What I am saying is that Lin is putting a strain on the team. But business is business you got to look out for yourself.

25 pts a game justifies a max contract??? What about the 35+ points he gives up on defense every night? David Lee produced 20+ a game AND he grabbed 10+ rebounds.

Melo singlehandedly took us to the playoffs???????? Without Lin and the 9 game streak your precious Melo and Amare wouldn't even have sniffed the playoffs in the weakest conference we have seen in a while. Put the kool-aid down and step away from the keyboard.

Papabear Says

Since you are sold on Lin Let's see what he does this year. I really hope he does well this will help us when we trade him for Chris Paul.

Lin was given one chance and he made use of it, He played hard and delivered results and exceeded expectations - what I don't get is why isn't everyobody sold on him?

Papabear Says

because only 25 - 30 games and the Heat destroyed him.

Knicks have a lot of work to do to try to beat the heat. it's nowhere near all on Lin.

VDesai wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Is this really a big deal. Wasnt the original offer going to pay him 5 5 10 & 10?. Isnt a 3yr deal better than 4yrs?

Yup

Not necessarily with the luxury tax. Because the Knicks have to essentially pay 2 for 1 salary over the tax, the financial committment might preclude them from going over the cap to sign a player with the MLE, for instance. It also makes Lin a bit more difficult to trade with the salary matching.

Yep, its important to understand this. This isn't only about Dolan's money and the tax, but the little flexibility we were going to have on that third year will be lost.

Still, since we were going to be over the cap and limited, you have to wonder how much that hurts a team practically set. The worst thing for me is not being able to receive players in sign and trades and offering less in the MLE.

VDesai wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Is this really a big deal. Wasnt the original offer going to pay him 5 5 10 & 10?. Isnt a 3yr deal better than 4yrs?

Yup

Not necessarily with the luxury tax. Because the Knicks have to essentially pay 2 for 1 salary over the tax, the financial committment might preclude them from going over the cap to sign a player with the MLE, for instance. It also makes Lin a bit more difficult to trade with the salary matching.

We're going to be at the luxury tax and the apron regardless.

VCoug wrote:

VDesai wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Is this really a big deal. Wasnt the original offer going to pay him 5 5 10 & 10?. Isnt a 3yr deal better than 4yrs?

Yup

Not necessarily with the luxury tax. Because the Knicks have to essentially pay 2 for 1 salary over the tax, the financial committment might preclude them from going over the cap to sign a player with the MLE, for instance. It also makes Lin a bit more difficult to trade with the salary matching.

We're going to be at the luxury tax and the apron regardless.

That's not the point- the more you go over the tax, the more extra you have to pay- the more extra you pay- the less likely you'll want to go over the tax more. So it precludes us from potentially adding players with the MLE etc.

I don't blame Lin at all for getting his cash. I just find the re-worked contract situation needlessly shady. Lin knew he needed to get another team involved to get more cash from the Knicks. The whole poison pill situation at the last minute is just a little weird and it certainly hurts the team that he's ultimately going back to. There's only some underlying degree of animosity that can come from this whole situation. If he plays great, its all moot.

VDesai wrote:

VCoug wrote:

VDesai wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Is this really a big deal. Wasnt the original offer going to pay him 5 5 10 & 10?. Isnt a 3yr deal better than 4yrs?

Yup

Not necessarily with the luxury tax. Because the Knicks have to essentially pay 2 for 1 salary over the tax, the financial committment might preclude them from going over the cap to sign a player with the MLE, for instance. It also makes Lin a bit more difficult to trade with the salary matching.

We're going to be at the luxury tax and the apron regardless.

That's not the point- the more you go over the tax, the more extra you have to pay- the more extra you pay- the less likely you'll want to go over the tax more. So it precludes us from potentially adding players with the MLE etc.

I don't blame Lin at all for getting his cash. I just find the re-worked contract situation needlessly shady. Lin knew he needed to get another team involved to get more cash from the Knicks. The whole poison pill situation at the last minute is just a little weird and it certainly hurts the team that he's ultimately going back to. There's only some underlying degree of animosity that can come from this whole situation. If he plays great, its all moot.

We are already over the cap.
We can not use the full MLE unless we want to be subject to a hard cap.
This is why we signed Kidd using the mini MLE instead of the full.
This is the way it will be over the next 3 seasons.

The Knicks could have just offered Lin a deal before he went shopping.
They wanted to let the market set the price.
It did.
This is business.
I can't believe the same board where people were clamoring for us to cut Lin because he was wasting a roster space is talking like a bunch of starry eyed kids. We're all grown ups here and have been following the NBA long enough to know that players aren't all saints just playing for the love of the game and teams toss players to the curb and trade them like commodities. Fans go from hating a player to worshipping him like crazy people then shouting obscenities about their mother in front of their wives and kids.

This is the city where Yankee "fans: booed Mariano F-in Rivera.

We may be overreacting a little no?