crzymdups wrote:I hate that Shump is injured. I feel like it's turned him from a stud into a trade chip in a lot of people's minds here.

I sort of agree. He is doing great in terms of recovering so for that reason alone I wouldn't consider trading him.

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Aldridge picking up the Nash stuff with the only reasonable way I can see it happening: if Shumpert is included. In which case I say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Numerous reports Sunday said the Raptors offered Nash a three-year, $36 million deal, and also indicated they’d be willing to give Nash a front office position with the franchise when he’s done playing. The Knicks can only offer Nash the mini mid-level exception starting at $3.09 million, and could only create additional room if they worked out a sign-and-trade deal with Phoenix for Nash.

The one player that would make sense in such a scenario is second-year guard Iman Shumpert, whom Phoenix almost took in the first round of the 2011 Draft before selecting Kansas forward Markieff Morris

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/02/mavs-nets-get-best-pitches-ready/

Nash is a marketing monster. I'm sure Dolan would do that deal. A back-court of Nash and Lin would probably be the most profitable one in the league. And it definitely makes us better next year since Shumpert's out most of next season, and his performance upon return is uncertain.

I would like to go on record as I like Shumpert a lot. Under any other circumstances I say keep him. But if you can trade him, Lando, Douglas for Nash, then turn around and sign Courtney Lee/OJ Mayo with some other spare parts to strengthen the bench I would look hard at it. Even though I will fully admit I am not sure how to make a Nashlin/LiNash back court work...

I don't think we need more .400 shooters. With Nash and Lin on the team, I'd love to have some efficient scorers who will consistently knock down the shots our PGs create for them. I don't think we'd have room to pay Mayo more than the vet min anyway. If he were willing to come for the vet min, I'd take him.

I've liked Lee for a while he's a big guard who can defend and is a very good shooter. However I just realized he is restricted. So he moves down to #3. I'd like to see Mayo here for the MLE, I've really like him for a long time. Another option who I feel is a huge sleeper/Bargain is Dantay Jones. Big physical guard who can defend anyone and shoot. Probably a Vet min. candidate. Keep Novak for the LLE and let Smith walk. This leaves us here:

Chandler/Jordan
Amare/Harrelson
Carmelo/Novak
Mayo/Jones
Lin/Nash/Price

5 spots to fill with the Vet min. players. Sign AJ Price or Johnny Flynn as a 3rd PG. Sign Reggie Evans and a guy like Ian Mahinimi (he backed up Chandler in Dallas) for the Min. Use the last 2 spots on Summer league guys.

Chandler
Amare
Carmelo
Mayo
Lin or Nash(I still don't see this working)

Lin or Nash(I still don't see this working), Jones, Novak, Harrelson, Evans, Price, Mahinimi.

While this is a drastic overhaul, if we are trading for Nash, that is what we are doing anyway. Onto something more realistic that I would actually like to see...

Sign Dantay Jones, LLE. Sign Derek Fisher to the Vet Min. Let JR Smith Go. Keep Novak. Keep Jefferies. I do not know the ramifications of the MLE in regards to salary structure, but if the MLE is 5 got hard after Mayo. Sign Ian Mahinimi to the min.

Chandler/Mahinimi/Jordan
Amare/Jefferies/Harrelson
Carmelo/Fields/Novak
Mayo/Jones
Lin/Fisher/Douglas

1 spot for a guy off the summer league.

Yeah, I was talking about only May when I said .400 shooters. Lee or May for the vet min would be fine.

s3231 wrote:I really love Shump but I wouldn't rule out trading him for Nash as much as I hate to say it...

Our core is built to win now and I think if it comes down to including Shump to bring Nash in, you really need to consider it since Shump might not be able to contribute at a high level at all next season.

It's not just about adding a PG with Nash, it's about adding one of the most lethal shooters in NBA history (we need shooting around Melo badly) and one of the best passers of all-time (we need someone to facilitate for our stars badly as well).

Moreover, Nash gives our offense a coach on the floor and to be honest, we need that since Woodson's idea of a great offense seems to be give the ball each time down the court to Melo for hero ball....

Simply put, adding Nash makes this team a true contender for the next couple of seasons and gives our rising star (Lin) the best mentor possible. Not to mention, we would still have the mini-MLE available to chase down a guy like Camby for even more depth.

Shump is the real rising star in my opinion , he has a chance to become one of the best shooting guards in the league, Lin has a chance to be a good point guard not great , I lose Lin before I lose Shump, because Shump has unbelievable defense , all he has to work on his outside shot and it was improving towards the end of the season.

Mray20 wrote:

s3231 wrote:I really love Shump but I wouldn't rule out trading him for Nash as much as I hate to say it...

Our core is built to win now and I think if it comes down to including Shump to bring Nash in, you really need to consider it since Shump might not be able to contribute at a high level at all next season.

It's not just about adding a PG with Nash, it's about adding one of the most lethal shooters in NBA history (we need shooting around Melo badly) and one of the best passers of all-time (we need someone to facilitate for our stars badly as well).

Moreover, Nash gives our offense a coach on the floor and to be honest, we need that since Woodson's idea of a great offense seems to be give the ball each time down the court to Melo for hero ball....

Simply put, adding Nash makes this team a true contender for the next couple of seasons and gives our rising star (Lin) the best mentor possible. Not to mention, we would still have the mini-MLE available to chase down a guy like Camby for even more depth.

Shump is the real rising star in my opinion , he has a chance to become one of the best shooting guards in the league, Lin has a chance to be a good point guard not great , I lose Lin before I lose Shump, because Shump has unbelievable defense , all he has to work on his outside shot and it was improving towards the end of the season.

I agree. I see Shump as Spree2 still.

Mray20 wrote:

s3231 wrote:I really love Shump but I wouldn't rule out trading him for Nash as much as I hate to say it...

Our core is built to win now and I think if it comes down to including Shump to bring Nash in, you really need to consider it since Shump might not be able to contribute at a high level at all next season.

It's not just about adding a PG with Nash, it's about adding one of the most lethal shooters in NBA history (we need shooting around Melo badly) and one of the best passers of all-time (we need someone to facilitate for our stars badly as well).

Moreover, Nash gives our offense a coach on the floor and to be honest, we need that since Woodson's idea of a great offense seems to be give the ball each time down the court to Melo for hero ball....

Simply put, adding Nash makes this team a true contender for the next couple of seasons and gives our rising star (Lin) the best mentor possible. Not to mention, we would still have the mini-MLE available to chase down a guy like Camby for even more depth.

Shump is the real rising star in my opinion , he has a chance to become one of the best shooting guards in the league, Lin has a chance to be a good point guard not great , I lose Lin before I lose Shump, because Shump has unbelievable defense , all he has to work on his outside shot and it was improving towards the end of the season.

+1

IrishKnickFan wrote:i love shump but that injury he had is a severe injury. I mean its gonna take at least another yaer for him to be back to normal and who knows he might not be the same. I mean he already has had a history of knee injuries in his rookie year. I mean if he was a guy who scored 18-20 ppg then i would say hell no but we have to think about winning it all right now. We are not the thunder we dont have 7-8 years to figure it out

It is not severe. Guys come back from it all the time especially young guys

gunsnewing wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:i love shump but that injury he had is a severe injury. I mean its gonna take at least another yaer for him to be back to normal and who knows he might not be the same. I mean he already has had a history of knee injuries in his rookie year. I mean if he was a guy who scored 18-20 ppg then i would say hell no but we have to think about winning it all right now. We are not the thunder we dont have 7-8 years to figure it out

It is not severe. Guys come back from it all the time especially young guys

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:i love shump but that injury he had is a severe injury. I mean its gonna take at least another yaer for him to be back to normal and who knows he might not be the same. I mean he already has had a history of knee injuries in his rookie year. I mean if he was a guy who scored 18-20 ppg then i would say hell no but we have to think about winning it all right now. We are not the thunder we dont have 7-8 years to figure it out

It is not severe. Guys come back from it all the time especially young guys

Are you talking about healthy guys who tear their ACLs in freak accidents or guys with weak, injury-prone knees even before the tear? I was just looking at the replay of the tear again. It's not like he had a bad collision and landed awkwardly. He was just dribbling the ball up court and out of nowhere his entire knee fell apart.

Same thing happened to Derrick Rose, non contact injury, but no one doubts Rose will come back with a vengeance once healed.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:i love shump but that injury he had is a severe injury. I mean its gonna take at least another yaer for him to be back to normal and who knows he might not be the same. I mean he already has had a history of knee injuries in his rookie year. I mean if he was a guy who scored 18-20 ppg then i would say hell no but we have to think about winning it all right now. We are not the thunder we dont have 7-8 years to figure it out

It is not severe. Guys come back from it all the time especially young guys

Are you talking about healthy guys who tear their ACLs in freak accidents or guys with weak, injury-prone knees even before the tear? I was just looking at the replay of the tear again. It's not like he had a bad collision and landed awkwardly. He was just dribbling the ball up court and out of nowhere his entire knee fell apart.

Same thing happened to Derrick Rose, non contact injury, but no one doubts Rose will come back with a vengeance once healed.