holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Does that mean we are able to give JR more money if he opts out??

we better not he isnt worth it. The most he is worth is his player option

He is absolutely worth it for us...He played incredible defense for us...He took over games for us at time...If you look at the playoffs, we need players who isn't afraid of the moment like lots of players we have seen disappear in the playoff...He is an essential bench player...I'm really surprised at the vitriol he gets from this board...A player who can get his own shot off and plays defense are few and far between...

He is absolutely not worth it for us did you happen to watch the playoffs? Like I said if he wants to pick up his option then tahts fine but he isnt worth more. We need to now look into nash,allen,kidd,felton. we need a good back pg and we need another shooter not a streaky shooter like JR

Nash and Kidd is 40 years old, we need a vet who can play heavy minutes...You can't ask a rookie like LIn to compete in the type of basketball on a level we saw the last two weeks...Ray Allen would definitely be a great addition which makes JR and Novak expendable...I'm ok with that IF Allen signs...But resigning JR does nothing to you cap...We don't have many options out there...

like i said player option is fine but he is not worth using the whole midlevel on him. I mean you are probably the only fan willingg to do that lol. Also Nash is probably in better shape then guys 10 years younger. Now I love lin but if we could get nash and have lin as a back up then it would HUGE

Why do you keep doing this??...I never said I was willing to give him the MLE...I was questioning whether or not he falls under Bird's rights as well so we can retain him without giving the MLE or the LLE...Bro u are a spin doctor...

actually you never mentioned birds rights to be honest. We were talking about being able to use the MLE on others and you said we should use it on Smith. We dont have Smith's birds rights and second of all we have other needs than a streaky shooter

Refering the the topic, I clearly asked if this applied to JR Smith as well???...Please show me where I said I would use the MLE on JR Smith..

well if thats what you meant ok i apologize but i didnt know because you didnt say bird rights so i wasnt sure what you are referring to

But you said we were talking about using the MLE on JR...When did that conversation occur?

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Cue the 40yr old nash talk by the media

nash turned 38 in february and averaged 13pts/11apg last year. what's the problem with adding him?
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Legitimate HOF-er who won't be taking sh!t from Woodson or his Superstar to pass him the ball on every posession and will actually orchestrate an offense and get Amare involved. I can see the Melo fans losing some sleep.

But Melo himself may nix any Nash hiring.

Did you really post that Melo might nix a Nash signing?

callmened wrote:so just to clarify...by winning the birds rights, that means:

1. we can keep Lin (approx $5mil) and Novak (approx $3 mil) without worrying about going over the cap
2. we have the MLE (midlevel exception - approx $5 mil)
3. we have the LLE (lowerlevel exception - approx $3mil)
4. we still have the vet minimums?
5. we can still keep JR if he decides to stay for $2.5mil
6. we can still keep and sign our draft pick ($1 mill)

so ideally we could get:
1. Lin/Novak
2. Nash
3. Odom
4. Camby
5. JR
6. #48 draft pick

not exactly. more likely the knicks will be able to keep lin and novak, but only use $3M of their MLE so they can still sign players throughout the year, which they wouldn't be able to do if they used their $5M exception - they'd be completely capped out even for 10-day contracts.

so they'd have $3M exception, the $1.8M LLE and vet minimums and lin and novak. and the ability for JR smith to pick up his player option, too.

i think trading landry for something becomes a good idea with this set of circumstances.

why is everyone talking about nash then? theyre assuming we would spend the FULL $5mil MLE on him? i think he wants more than that

i also think:
1. we can use tDoug as the back up
2. we can convince JR to stay
3. sign odom for LLE
4. sign camby for vet mini
5. maybe bring back felton for MLE at $3mil
6. im not the biggest fan of fields but we need him esp since shump is out

I read that Nash many not be too happy with the Knicks org. and how they treated MDA, but hopefully this isn't really a true story. We can add other PG's or SG's but IMO none put us over the top or even get us close to the Heat like Nash could. That being said, i'd be OK with Felton or Sessions. Jamal is another guy that could help.

callmened wrote:i agree that nash would be perfect but i dont think he wants to come here...plus hes too expensive

therefore i vote
1. sign felton to MLE
2. sign odom to LLE
3. sign camby to mini vet...
4. keep everyone else including fields and jr

PG lin/felton
G fields/jr (shump)
C tyson/camby
PF stat/odom
F melo/novak

im not his biggest fan but we need fields for now..

i would be happy with this plan, though i don't think camby comes here for the vet minimum.

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree that nash would be perfect but i dont think he wants to come here...plus hes too expensive

therefore i vote
1. sign felton to MLE
2. sign odom to LLE
3. sign camby to mini vet...
4. keep everyone else including fields and jr

PG lin/felton
G fields/jr (shump)
C tyson/camby
PF stat/odom
F melo/novak

im not his biggest fan but we need fields for now..

i would be happy with this plan, though i don't think camby comes here for the vet minimum.

We need to add shooters. I think we need to use the mid level on a SG. My order of preference for the mid level is

1. Ray Allen 2. OJ Mayo 3. Belinelli 4. C Lee

and then use the LLE on a PG like Kidd. We will still need to address the big man depth, but i think that would be the only weakness with this group

C Chandler/Harrellson
PF Stoudemire/Jeffries
SF Anthony/Novak/Fields
SG Allen or Mayo/Shumpert (maybe Smith too)
PG Lin/Kidd/rookie

We need to add shooters. I think we need to use the mid level on a SG. My order of preference for the mid level is

1. Ray Allen 2. OJ Mayo 3. Belinelli 4. C Lee

and then use the LLE on a PG like Kidd. We will still need to address the big man depth, but i think that would be the only weakness with this group

C Chandler/Harrellson
PF Stoudemire/Jeffries
SF Anthony/Novak/Fields
SG Allen or Mayo/Shumpert (maybe Smith too)
PG Lin/Kidd/rookie
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- JJ and harrellson are NOT good players and theyre injury prone. we need frontcourt depth (odom)
- kidd and nash will NOT come to NYK...
- mayo would be nice to have; just dont know if we could afford him (at 3-5mil MLE)
- hopefully JR will stay and take the option (2.5mil)

VCoug wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree that nash would be perfect but i dont think he wants to come here...plus hes too expensive

therefore i vote
1. sign felton to MLE
2. sign odom to LLE
3. sign camby to mini vet...
4. keep everyone else including fields and jr

PG lin/felton
G fields/jr (shump)
C tyson/camby
PF stat/odom
F melo/novak

im not his biggest fan but we need fields for now..

i would be happy with this plan, though i don't think camby comes here for the vet minimum.

We need to add shooters. I think we need to use the mid level on a SG. My order of preference for the mid level is

1. Ray Allen 2. OJ Mayo 3. Belinelli 4. C Lee

and then use the LLE on a PG like Kidd. We will still need to address the big man depth, but i think that would be the only weakness with this group

C Chandler/Harrellson
PF Stoudemire/Jeffries
SF Anthony/Novak/Fields
SG Allen or Mayo/Shumpert (maybe Smith too)
PG Lin/Kidd/rookie

Ray Allen looked pretty much done last season and I think OJ Mayo will demand more than the MLE. I do like Belinelli and Lee and would be pretty happy if we signed them.

I like both of them too. Not sure what Mayo has done to warrant more than the mid-level outside of his reputation as a high-potential player.

Knixkik wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree that nash would be perfect but i dont think he wants to come here...plus hes too expensive

therefore i vote
1. sign felton to MLE
2. sign odom to LLE
3. sign camby to mini vet...
4. keep everyone else including fields and jr

PG lin/felton
G fields/jr (shump)
C tyson/camby
PF stat/odom
F melo/novak

im not his biggest fan but we need fields for now..

i would be happy with this plan, though i don't think camby comes here for the vet minimum.

We need to add shooters. I think we need to use the mid level on a SG. My order of preference for the mid level is

1. Ray Allen 2. OJ Mayo 3. Belinelli 4. C Lee

and then use the LLE on a PG like Kidd. We will still need to address the big man depth, but i think that would be the only weakness with this group

C Chandler/Harrellson
PF Stoudemire/Jeffries
SF Anthony/Novak/Fields
SG Allen or Mayo/Shumpert (maybe Smith too)
PG Lin/Kidd/rookie

Ray Allen looked pretty much done last season and I think OJ Mayo will demand more than the MLE. I do like Belinelli and Lee and would be pretty happy if we signed them.

I like both of them too. Not sure what Mayo has done to warrant more than the mid-level outside of his reputation as a high-potential player.

I think it's his reputation as a high-potential player. I could definitely see a team like the Nets overpay him on the chance he can be really good.

VCoug wrote:

callmened wrote:i dont think we should go after an SG...only because

1. we have three (yes, im including JR cuz i think hell return)
2. most importantly i think it will slow the development of shumpert when he returns
3. we need front court depth...JJ is injury prone and jorts is a minor league player

- id be happy with felton, odom and camby

Shump, JR, and Fields? Shump tore his ACL and won't be back for awhile. Plus, he was a terrible shooter last year. JR might be back, he might not. Fields can't shoot and has been terrible for a year and a half now.

For me, I'm not necessarily looking for a SG to replace the guys we have, I'm looking for guys who can shoot from range. The most obvious spot we upgrade our long-distance shooting is at SG.