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Uptown
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5/8/2012  8:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2012  8:37 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:
The Man Crush on Melo is awesome.

All star or Superstar?

And the Hate is even more spectacular.

MeloBury or StarMelo?


There has been no hate here. No one said anything bad about Melo. The only person who hated Melo was banned. We just don't love Melo enough to satisfy you.

Love is a strong word. I see no love from some on this board. MeloBury? StarMelo? Why are we comparing Melo to a guy who dragged this franchise through the mud with off the court scandals not to mention making public war with the coaches, and secretly helping rid the team (alog with Isiah) of a good player in Van Horn just because of a personal issue?

Like I said, love is a strong word. Strong enough to keep some from attaching a 'Bury' or a 'Star' to the beloved Gallo's name. How come? Agenda's? Yes. Love? No.....

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5/8/2012  9:49 PM
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:
The Man Crush on Melo is awesome.

All star or Superstar?

And the Hate is even more spectacular.

MeloBury or StarMelo?


There has been no hate here. No one said anything bad about Melo. The only person who hated Melo was banned. We just don't love Melo enough to satisfy you.

Love is a strong word. I see no love from some on this board. MeloBury? StarMelo? Why are we comparing Melo to a guy who dragged this franchise through the mud with off the court scandals not to mention making public war with the coaches, and secretly helping rid the team (alog with Isiah) of a good player in Van Horn just because of a personal issue?

Like I said, love is a strong word. Strong enough to keep some from attaching a 'Bury' or a 'Star' to the beloved Gallo's name. How come? Agenda's? Yes. Love? No.....


You used the word "hate"; you should not be surprised when people use strong words in response.
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5/8/2012  10:36 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Nalod wrote:
The Man Crush on Melo is awesome.

All star or Superstar?

How about the man crush on MDA (who's in the witness protection program)?

Coach of the year? Decade? Century?

Or, just plain Euro-Genius?

How about the man crush on Amare? Awwwwe isn't it great that he showed so much heart in coming back when he almost lost his hand? What a guy!! AmareBury? Ouch - sorry!

I won't start with 1 point Tyson - I actually really like him but I am disappointed with him in the playoffs did I just say that?

BDBury - our savior - I pine for his return to glory.

There is no doubt that if Melo had come into the season in shape and had really tried to play team ball and be a leader, things would've worked out with MDA and Woody running the team. The defense was never bad this entire season except for the 10 game when Melo came back!!! This is a statistical fact.

You can bash STAT for his poor D, but one thing I know is that even before Melo Came STAT had his team playoff bound.
Tyson has his flaws as a player but he's done more for this team all year than Melo in his one month of good BB, besides are we really gonna compare the level of responsibility between Tyson and Melo?

Melo is the best player on the team and thus he gets the lions share of the glory and the blame for what this team does. So far he hasn't led his team anywhere. He's still got an opportunity to make amends for that. There's another game tomorrow for him to go out and lead his team.

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5/8/2012  11:55 PM
"MeloBury" is hate.

"StarMelo" is the larger than life depiction #7 jersey wearing headband adorned fans see all good only thru rose colored glasses.

Personally I don't hate Melo and you won't find me bashing him.

If the question is are we better or worse for the trade I say its still a draw because our record after 100 games than it was in the season with Amare without him.

If MDA must be dragged in I'd say the the real sample to compare is when Amare came on board. MDA did good in PHX and sucked here for two seasons with a roster in total transition.

We are .500 since the trade. We are 1-7 in the playoffs. Injury has been way too much to assign blame on anyone.

Thus, we are no better or worse since the trade. And neither is Denver.

We have our star which during this crazy season has attracted great attendance and viewership. Denver has also made the playoffs while it rebuilds.

IN a way, its a win-win.

"MeloBall" is not championship caliber ball as it has its limitations.

Thats the best we can do and thats the direction for now that makes sense.

In my opinion it lowers the ceiling long term. "winning now" is valid and attractive.

There is no evidence either by Melo in Denver, or here that the most effective style of ball he plays enhances those around him. So I don't have championship hopes as this roster is constructed.

Next season? We'll there always is one isn't there?

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5/9/2012  7:01 AM
Thus, we are no better or worse since the trade. And neither is Denver.

That's a reasonable interpretation of what actually has happened over the past 1 1/2 years. People discussing how were in so much better shape than Denver are really just talking about their imagined future success of the team.
Next season? We'll there always is one isn't there?

As long as a new CBA doesn't have to be negotiated!
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5/9/2012  7:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2012  7:42 AM
Its the usual:

All we need is a.......?

In two years we'll have cap space to......?

A new coach will.........?

once we are healthy we will........?

In Knick basketball, there are always reasons, always needs, and always a Starphuch to cure it all!

They play the fan just right.

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5/9/2012  10:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2012  10:22 AM
Nalod wrote:"MeloBury" is hate.

"StarMelo" is the larger than life depiction #7 jersey wearing headband adorned fans see all good only thru rose colored glasses.

Personally I don't hate Melo and you won't find me bashing him.

If the question is are we better or worse for the trade I say its still a draw because our record after 100 games than it was in the season with Amare without him.

If MDA must be dragged in I'd say the the real sample to compare is when Amare came on board. MDA did good in PHX and sucked here for two seasons with a roster in total transition.

We are .500 since the trade. We are 1-7 in the playoffs. Injury has been way too much to assign blame on anyone.

Thus, we are no better or worse since the trade. And neither is Denver.

We have our star which during this crazy season has attracted great attendance and viewership. Denver has also made the playoffs while it rebuilds.

IN a way, its a win-win.

"MeloBall" is not championship caliber ball as it has its limitations.

Thats the best we can do and thats the direction for now that makes sense.

In my opinion it lowers the ceiling long term. "winning now" is valid and attractive.

There is no evidence either by Melo in Denver, or here that the most effective style of ball he plays enhances those around him. So I don't have championship hopes as this roster is constructed.

Next season? We'll there always is one isn't there?

No one here makes Melo out to be larger than life, or pretends he doesn't have any flaws. Maybe you should check your perscriptions.....

MeloBall? Care to elaborate on what MeloBall looks like?

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5/9/2012  10:39 AM
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:"MeloBury" is hate.

"StarMelo" is the larger than life depiction #7 jersey wearing headband adorned fans see all good only thru rose colored glasses.

Personally I don't hate Melo and you won't find me bashing him.

If the question is are we better or worse for the trade I say its still a draw because our record after 100 games than it was in the season with Amare without him.

If MDA must be dragged in I'd say the the real sample to compare is when Amare came on board. MDA did good in PHX and sucked here for two seasons with a roster in total transition.

We are .500 since the trade. We are 1-7 in the playoffs. Injury has been way too much to assign blame on anyone.

Thus, we are no better or worse since the trade. And neither is Denver.

We have our star which during this crazy season has attracted great attendance and viewership. Denver has also made the playoffs while it rebuilds.

IN a way, its a win-win.

"MeloBall" is not championship caliber ball as it has its limitations.

Thats the best we can do and thats the direction for now that makes sense.

In my opinion it lowers the ceiling long term. "winning now" is valid and attractive.

There is no evidence either by Melo in Denver, or here that the most effective style of ball he plays enhances those around him. So I don't have championship hopes as this roster is constructed.

Next season? We'll there always is one isn't there?


Care to elaborate on what MeloBall looks like?

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5/9/2012  11:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2012  11:05 AM

Uptown
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5/9/2012  11:25 AM
Nalod wrote:

So I ask for an explanation and you resort to pictures and other juvenile acts. Juvenile like the cutesy names you make up for grown men. Nice!!!

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5/9/2012  11:26 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:


"Hmmmm, so my choices are:
1) Deal with a triple team
2) pass to Mr. Parabola and watch a brick that would be prettier if it got blocked
3) pass to TD and watch him dribble off his foot and out of bounds trying to get to the rim in 2 seconds.

Gee, I wonder why I draw triple teams? I guess they think I just might probably hit shots like this..."

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5/9/2012  11:47 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:"MeloBury" is hate.

"StarMelo" is the larger than life depiction #7 jersey wearing headband adorned fans see all good only thru rose colored glasses.

Personally I don't hate Melo and you won't find me bashing him.

If the question is are we better or worse for the trade I say its still a draw because our record after 100 games than it was in the season with Amare without him.

If MDA must be dragged in I'd say the the real sample to compare is when Amare came on board. MDA did good in PHX and sucked here for two seasons with a roster in total transition.

We are .500 since the trade. We are 1-7 in the playoffs. Injury has been way too much to assign blame on anyone.

Thus, we are no better or worse since the trade. And neither is Denver.

We have our star which during this crazy season has attracted great attendance and viewership. Denver has also made the playoffs while it rebuilds.

IN a way, its a win-win.

"MeloBall" is not championship caliber ball as it has its limitations.

Thats the best we can do and thats the direction for now that makes sense.

In my opinion it lowers the ceiling long term. "winning now" is valid and attractive.

There is no evidence either by Melo in Denver, or here that the most effective style of ball he plays enhances those around him. So I don't have championship hopes as this roster is constructed.

Next season? We'll there always is one isn't there?


Care to elaborate on what MeloBall looks like?

It that picture to whom would be the correct pass? Douglass or Fields? A brick from the right side or an airball from the left?

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5/9/2012  11:50 AM
How about throwing a lob for STAT To dunk it?
TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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5/9/2012  11:52 AM
so it could be blocked by Al Buckets
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5/9/2012  12:45 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:"MeloBury" is hate.

"StarMelo" is the larger than life depiction #7 jersey wearing headband adorned fans see all good only thru rose colored glasses.

Personally I don't hate Melo and you won't find me bashing him.

If the question is are we better or worse for the trade I say its still a draw because our record after 100 games than it was in the season with Amare without him.

If MDA must be dragged in I'd say the the real sample to compare is when Amare came on board. MDA did good in PHX and sucked here for two seasons with a roster in total transition.

We are .500 since the trade. We are 1-7 in the playoffs. Injury has been way too much to assign blame on anyone.

Thus, we are no better or worse since the trade. And neither is Denver.

We have our star which during this crazy season has attracted great attendance and viewership. Denver has also made the playoffs while it rebuilds.

IN a way, its a win-win.

"MeloBall" is not championship caliber ball as it has its limitations.

Thats the best we can do and thats the direction for now that makes sense.

In my opinion it lowers the ceiling long term. "winning now" is valid and attractive.

There is no evidence either by Melo in Denver, or here that the most effective style of ball he plays enhances those around him. So I don't have championship hopes as this roster is constructed.

Next season? We'll there always is one isn't there?


Care to elaborate on what MeloBall looks like?

It that picture to whom would be the correct pass? Douglass or Fields? A brick from the right side or an airball from the left?

Well first, pounding the ball for 8 secs puts you in a bad situation. Second, I'd be willing to bet Fields hits a higher percentage of his open shots than Melo does of his triple teamed shots. Melo's at 31% for contested shots let alone triple teamed ones. Was Douglas the other open player? I don't remember.

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5/9/2012  12:50 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:"MeloBury" is hate.

"StarMelo" is the larger than life depiction #7 jersey wearing headband adorned fans see all good only thru rose colored glasses.

Personally I don't hate Melo and you won't find me bashing him.

If the question is are we better or worse for the trade I say its still a draw because our record after 100 games than it was in the season with Amare without him.

If MDA must be dragged in I'd say the the real sample to compare is when Amare came on board. MDA did good in PHX and sucked here for two seasons with a roster in total transition.

We are .500 since the trade. We are 1-7 in the playoffs. Injury has been way too much to assign blame on anyone.

Thus, we are no better or worse since the trade. And neither is Denver.

We have our star which during this crazy season has attracted great attendance and viewership. Denver has also made the playoffs while it rebuilds.

IN a way, its a win-win.

"MeloBall" is not championship caliber ball as it has its limitations.

Thats the best we can do and thats the direction for now that makes sense.

In my opinion it lowers the ceiling long term. "winning now" is valid and attractive.

There is no evidence either by Melo in Denver, or here that the most effective style of ball he plays enhances those around him. So I don't have championship hopes as this roster is constructed.

Next season? We'll there always is one isn't there?


Care to elaborate on what MeloBall looks like?

This scenario is lose-lose. Put JR Smith and Novak instead of Fields and Douglas, and you have an argument.

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5/9/2012  12:54 PM
A contested shot by Melo has a higher percentage of going in compared to an open shot from Douglas or Fields.
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5/9/2012  12:59 PM
AnubisADL wrote:A contested shot by Melo has a higher percentage of going in compared to an open shot from Douglas or Fields.

That is highly unlikely no matter how much you dislike those players.
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5/9/2012  2:22 PM
Pass the ball earlier. Then Drive to the basket, the help defense comes in and you can make a pass...........


Or pound the rock.

YOu asked what it looks like. It looks like a "Juvinile triple team cartoon graphic"........Thats actually a pretty accurate description.

If the only option is for either of those to shoot, then its apparent that: He is "all alone".....

Uh oh! Lets not got there!

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5/9/2012  3:02 PM
If Phil don't like Melo and/or Amare then he is not coming.....

Do StarMelo lovers then "good riddence" to the rejecter Phil?

Sour grapes or can we just handle the truth and just hope it all comes together and they prove their detractors wrong?

Tuesday, May 8, 2012
If Phil's out, give Woodson the job

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By Ian O'Connor
ESPNNewYork.com

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- Phil Jackson does not have the guts to coach in New York. That is what Jeff Van Gundy said in a different life, back when Jackson stalked his job as head coach of the New York Knicks, if only for the sport of it.

If Jackson didn't have the courage to make it work with Latrell Sprewell and Allan Houston, he did have the common sense to make it work with Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal. The man who won six titles with Michael Jordan's Bulls won five more with the Kobe and Shaq Lakers, and that's why he's allowed to do pretty much whatever he wants, pretty much whenever he wants.

Like the time Knicks and Garden executive Dave Checketts insisted Jackson come alone to their secret meeting behind Van Gundy's back 13 years ago. And when Jackson showed up at Checketts' door, guess what?

He wasn't alone. "His agent, Todd Musburger, was standing right there with him," Checketts said.

So if Jackson prefers to wait until Mike Woodson's Knicks lose to the Miami Heat before pouncing, before proving Van Gundy wrong, then that is what he'll do. The 11-time champ will dictate the terms of engagement -- if there's ever to be an engagement -- with a franchise that hasn't won it all since 1973, when Jackson averaged eight points and change off the bench for his mentor, Red Holzman.

One league source who has spoken to Jackson in recent months said the retired legend "told me he doesn't like Carmelo Anthony's game at all, and that he isn't a big fan of [Amare] Stoudemire's game, either." So assuming the 66-year-old Jackson isn't inspired to make a comeback by these flawed Knicks, and assuming he'd rather wait to see if Pat Riley makes a human sacrifice of Erik Spoelstra in case Miami places second again, Woodson deserves a contract extension as much as Van Gundy deserved his in 1996.

Van Gundy was 13-10 as the interim coach following Don Nelson's firing, and Woodson was 18-6 as the interim coach following Mike D'Antoni's surrender. Van Gundy beat Cleveland in the first round, got a win off Jordan in the second, and earned Patrick Ewing's public vote of confidence. Woodson didn't get such a good draw in the first round, got a win off LeBron James and Dwyane Wade despite a series of devastating injuries, and earned Anthony's public vote of confidence.

"I would love to see him back," Anthony said again Tuesday. "I support that. Everybody knows what he's done thus far since he's been here, the short period that he's had the head coaching job. There's no need to cut it off right now. We're kind of just getting started."

Of course, Anthony has little choice but to endorse the new guy after running off the old guy. Woodson rebuilt D'Antoni's offense around Anthony in seven seconds or less, and there was Melomania in all its glory Sunday, seizing Game 4 and ending -- temporarily, anyway -- a whole lot of playoff misery for the franchise (13) and its franchise player.

But Melo has picked a deserving winner of this derby. Woodson saved the regular season, restored a commitment to defense, and avoided getting swept by a better, much healthier Miami team. For that, Woodson should beat out John Calipari, Jerry Sloan, Scott Skiles, Stan Van Gundy, Mike Dunleavy and the other potential candidates who are/might be available. Jeff Van Gundy is the best of the rest, but Dolan isn't going there.

So have the Knicks concluded Woodson is the most logical choice? The coach denied a Daily News report that the team had already approached him about an extension, but these things usually devolve into a game of semantics. Negotiations or no negotiations, Woodson desperately wants to keep his job, and the Knicks are seriously considering him as their long-term guy.

Asked Tuesday if he believes he has done enough to earn a contract, Woodson said, "Hey, I went 53-29 in Atlanta and was out of a job. I don't look at it that way. What's going to happen will happen. Right now, I do have a job and I'm coaching the Knicks. They gave me that opportunity, and I'm just trying to make the most of it."

Truth is, Woodson hasn't had a slam-dunk series. He didn't make a significant adjustment when the Heat fronted Anthony into oblivion in Game 1. Two nights after that 33-point defeat, Amare Stoudemire punctuated the Game 2 loss by swinging his left hand through the glass protecting a fire extinguisher, leaving his coach to clean up the mess.

Woodson needed to rebuke Stoudemire for the record at least once, especially after swearing his program would revolve around accountability, and his failure to do that didn't help his cause entering Game 3, a home loss to Miami that might've been prevented had Stoudemire been on the floor.

Even if his job didn't depend on it, Woodson felt intense pressure to win Game 4. As it turned out, Anthony gave him 41 money points, and Spoelstra was the coach making questionable decisions on both sides of the ball. By Sunday night, Woodson was looking less like the man down 3-1 to the Heat, and more like the man who somehow forced the series back to Miami without Jeremy Lin, without Iman Shumpert, without Stoudemire in Game 3, without Baron Davis for the end of Game 4, and without a functional Tyson Chandler in Game 1.

"He knows how to motivate and gets guys to play hard for him," said Woodson's assistant, Herb Williams. "Just look at his track record; he's a hell of a coach. … Everybody's always looking for the next Red Auerbach, and that's not going to happen."

In fact, everybody's always looking for the next Phil Jackson in the form of the original Phil Jackson, and for good reason. He's a special case, the greatest NBA coach of all time. In the unlikely event the Zen Master wants to go full circle with the Knicks, Dolan has to give him the job and thank Woodson for his effort and time.

But forget Calipari and the rest. Before Wednesday night's Game 5 in Miami, Woodson had already eliminated them from the postseason.

Now Woodson can concentrate on what's really important -- trying to force a Game 6 at the Garden, and hoping Phil Jackson still doesn't have the guts to coach in New York.


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