mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ehh the so-called stud Gallo just broke his thumb trying to block a shot and is out a month or longer. The guy can't even stay on the court to put up his all nba 15 points a game.

Eh! You're just a Gallo blaster/hater. But isn't he so pretty?

Gallo is a good player, but dude is injury prone. No other way around it.

Uptown wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Ehh the so-called stud Gallo just broke his thumb trying to block a shot and is out a month or longer. The guy can't even stay on the court to put up his all nba 15 points a game.

Eh! You're just a Gallo blaster/hater. But isn't he so pretty?

Gallo is a good player, but dude is injury prone. No other way around it.

Danilo Gimpanari can't hold a candle to Carsmello

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:jrod... the knocks on Melo are legit.

Knicks had a better record without him last year and this year as well. You could even say he twice ruined the chemistry. Last year the Knicks were coming along pretty well before the Melo drama. This year he single handedly ended Linsanity.

Melo is easily the most talented and valuable player in that trade. That being said is it ridiculous to say that Gallo was a better fit for this team? Despite being a less talented and productive player? I would say Gallo certainly was, at least short term.

Alot of fans really enjoyed getting behind last years Knicks. That team was loaded w/ good guys, good stories and players with upside. They were winning and had beaten some elite teams along the way. Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.

Also after the trade he ensured he got the most money possible killing the chance for a 3rd max guy like CP3 or what the Heat did. Now the Knicks got very lucky with the amnesty provision allowing them to sign Chandler, but that was all after Melo signed.

I recognize Melo's talent and what he could mean to the Knicks. Also whats done is done. Im patient. Im the exception with that around here.

Since anyone who doesnt immediatly recognize Melo as a superstar is labelled a HATER here let me ask you this:

Lets just say I dont know much about Melo. Seen him play a few times, highlights etc. but I follow the Knicks closely. Watch every game, go to 4-5 games a year... you get the idea.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Melo lovers and supports... PLEASE tell me ONE THING he's done since being here that would make me a fan of this guy?

Big playoff horse? swept
All about team? Contract first
Good attitude? Got first coach played for here fired
Made the team better? More wins without him
Can play with another star? Unless the last 3 games changes everything no... not yet.
Hotty wife with glorious funbags? Ok keep him

Im sorry, but if your a fan of this guy the best you have right now to sell is some warm kool-aid with no sugar added yet. This guy has a LOT to prove, and even more to prove here.

Alot of the Melo criticism of Melo (to this point) is valid. However, if Melo was tanking it and not playing well, why is Stat off the hook and all hate directed at Melo? I saw Stat putting out much less effort than Melo by a mile. He seemed completely indifferent, especially on the defensive end. At least I saw Melo trying on defense and his man to man defense was actually quite good though he lacked in team defense.

Also, the knicks did not get swept in the playoffs because of Melo who averaged 26.3 pts 10.3 rebounds and 4.8 assists. He was the only one who showed up. That is exactly why we got him because the pre trade team was not a playoff built team.

here's the problem.. you just did what all the non-Melo lovers hate. Show us his stats.

Look at the stats and Melo destroyed Paul Pierce in that series. Look at the games and who outplayed who down the stretch? Even in that super game where Melo was a monster what happened? TO in crunchtime followed by a clutch Paul Pierce shot and Melo's Knicks lose again.

Marbury had great stats here. Nobody cares. Was Melo consistent in that playoff series?

Old stuff.. I have zero interest in rehashing last year's playoff losses.

As a fan though I have the highest expectations for this team and for Melo. I expect us to compete for a title. The players are playing well. This team has depth, size, scoring, great defenders on the wing and interior, rebounding.. there is no glaring weakness. Its been an up and down season with the coaching stuff but its over now. Zero reason we cant win the division and fight with the Bull, Heat, Celtics or Magic for a title. Zero excuses either (just wait to Woodson makes some bad decision, uggg)

You have zero interest in last years playoffs but you inferred it in your post ("Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.")

Also, Paul Pierce is surrounded by other Stars/HOfers so the comparison in general is flawed. Melo did not have the same support.

Like you, I too am optimistic, though, I hope everyone does not jump off after a couple of losses.

The end of the games were Melo vs Pierce and Pierce hit the big shots while Melo turned the ball over. knicks were in position to win 3 of those games... But feel free to look at the stats and absolve Melo of any responsibility. What will the excuse be this year? My bet is on Woodson being out coached. God I hope I'm wrong. Happily we have a team that doesn't have to rely on Melo, as these is zero precedent to do so

This is typical blind hate. Melo quintuple teamed passing to wide open JJ for a ...................

Pierce is a HOFer - I don't question that and at this point is obviously the better player.

How come you don't mention AMARE who absolutely SSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED!

Melo hate - thats why.

Feel free to blame Melo but be fair an assign appropriate blame to STAT, MDA ...

The only hate I see is that you appear to hate any criticism of Melo.

It goes both ways. Anytime someone criticized MDA and some of his questionable tactics or lack thereof, the MDA goons would turn everything around place all the blame at Melo's feet. I've acknowledged that Melo has struggled a bit this season, but everytime I ask the so-called MDA supporters/Anti-Melo camp to be objective and point out some of MDA's faults and acknowledge that MDA is to blame for our inconsistant year, I get a dead line.....

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:jrod... the knocks on Melo are legit.

Knicks had a better record without him last year and this year as well. You could even say he twice ruined the chemistry. Last year the Knicks were coming along pretty well before the Melo drama. This year he single handedly ended Linsanity.

Melo is easily the most talented and valuable player in that trade. That being said is it ridiculous to say that Gallo was a better fit for this team? Despite being a less talented and productive player? I would say Gallo certainly was, at least short term.

Alot of fans really enjoyed getting behind last years Knicks. That team was loaded w/ good guys, good stories and players with upside. They were winning and had beaten some elite teams along the way. Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.

Also after the trade he ensured he got the most money possible killing the chance for a 3rd max guy like CP3 or what the Heat did. Now the Knicks got very lucky with the amnesty provision allowing them to sign Chandler, but that was all after Melo signed.

I recognize Melo's talent and what he could mean to the Knicks. Also whats done is done. Im patient. Im the exception with that around here.

Since anyone who doesnt immediatly recognize Melo as a superstar is labelled a HATER here let me ask you this:

Lets just say I dont know much about Melo. Seen him play a few times, highlights etc. but I follow the Knicks closely. Watch every game, go to 4-5 games a year... you get the idea.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Melo lovers and supports... PLEASE tell me ONE THING he's done since being here that would make me a fan of this guy?

Big playoff horse? swept
All about team? Contract first
Good attitude? Got first coach played for here fired
Made the team better? More wins without him
Can play with another star? Unless the last 3 games changes everything no... not yet.
Hotty wife with glorious funbags? Ok keep him

Im sorry, but if your a fan of this guy the best you have right now to sell is some warm kool-aid with no sugar added yet. This guy has a LOT to prove, and even more to prove here.

Alot of the Melo criticism of Melo (to this point) is valid. However, if Melo was tanking it and not playing well, why is Stat off the hook and all hate directed at Melo? I saw Stat putting out much less effort than Melo by a mile. He seemed completely indifferent, especially on the defensive end. At least I saw Melo trying on defense and his man to man defense was actually quite good though he lacked in team defense.

Also, the knicks did not get swept in the playoffs because of Melo who averaged 26.3 pts 10.3 rebounds and 4.8 assists. He was the only one who showed up. That is exactly why we got him because the pre trade team was not a playoff built team.

here's the problem.. you just did what all the non-Melo lovers hate. Show us his stats.

Look at the stats and Melo destroyed Paul Pierce in that series. Look at the games and who outplayed who down the stretch? Even in that super game where Melo was a monster what happened? TO in crunchtime followed by a clutch Paul Pierce shot and Melo's Knicks lose again.

Marbury had great stats here. Nobody cares. Was Melo consistent in that playoff series?

Old stuff.. I have zero interest in rehashing last year's playoff losses.

As a fan though I have the highest expectations for this team and for Melo. I expect us to compete for a title. The players are playing well. This team has depth, size, scoring, great defenders on the wing and interior, rebounding.. there is no glaring weakness. Its been an up and down season with the coaching stuff but its over now. Zero reason we cant win the division and fight with the Bull, Heat, Celtics or Magic for a title. Zero excuses either (just wait to Woodson makes some bad decision, uggg)

You have zero interest in last years playoffs but you inferred it in your post ("Melo came in and really didnt impress before getting swept in round 1 by the Celtics.")

Also, Paul Pierce is surrounded by other Stars/HOfers so the comparison in general is flawed. Melo did not have the same support.

Like you, I too am optimistic, though, I hope everyone does not jump off after a couple of losses.

The end of the games were Melo vs Pierce and Pierce hit the big shots while Melo turned the ball over. knicks were in position to win 3 of those games... But feel free to look at the stats and absolve Melo of any responsibility. What will the excuse be this year? My bet is on Woodson being out coached. God I hope I'm wrong. Happily we have a team that doesn't have to rely on Melo, as these is zero precedent to do so

This is typical blind hate. Melo quintuple teamed passing to wide open JJ for a ...................

Pierce is a HOFer - I don't question that and at this point is obviously the better player.

How come you don't mention AMARE who absolutely SSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED!

Melo hate - thats why.

Feel free to blame Melo but be fair an assign appropriate blame to STAT, MDA ...

The only hate I see is that you appear to hate any criticism of Melo.

So I can say in numerous threads that Melo shares equal blame and is at fault for many things. THAT IS NOT BIASED! But, the MDA-sad-boys cant ever admit fault and are blindly closed minded.

There are some Pro-Melo fans as well that are just nuts too and closed minded but most believe in the shared blame theory.

Where do you stand???

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's really hard taking some of you guys seriously on some of your postings...Well this is what Carmelo brings to the Knicks..Relevancy!!!...Chandler came here because he though along with Carmelo and Amare, this could be a formidable team...Secondary guys like Baron Davis won't sign here without Melo...JR Smith would prob sign with the Clippers...You really think those guys would line up to play with Gallo, Chandler and Felton???...It's huge being able to replace what we lost on the bench without giving up draft picks..Absolutely huge...

Do you really think the Knicks would have been the same team given where Amare and Felton are in their careers???...Come playoff time, having a guy who isn't afraid and who can be a beast is essential...When Melo is on, the only guy stopping Melo is Melo...Lin can be stopped and more likely will be, Amare has taken a step back...I'm amazed this argument is still being played out...

Last year's team was all about Amare and Felton...Where are they now???... If this team can get a 5th or 6th seeding and win the first round, we will absolutely be a nightmare after some playoff experience...If we continue with this kind of defense, and Melo's shots fall, we can compete with any team in the NBA...Could you really say that about last year's team or players???...But I think the haters don't care...This isn't a basketball argument, it's a rooting for the guys like prefer in a Knick uniform argument...Wish you guys would be more honest...

You're actually making our argument for us. What you say about Melo is supposed to be true. He's the guy brought in to get the team over the top. That's why he's getting so much flack. Dude is the best player on the team with the highest upside everytime he takes the floor. So when that player isn't playing up to his abilities and even worse admits that he hasn't given all out effort all year before the last 4 games, then he rightly takes the heat. There's really nothing anyone can say in his defense. Not from a personal performance point of view or the teams performance. He's got to step up and start being the man he was brought here to be and hasn't been for MOST of his team here aside from a few instances. This is irrefutable!!!

I naturally disagree...It's simple, the previous coached focused on offense and our current coach focuses on defense...Defense takes more effort and wares on you physically...Melo isnt in shape to do both right now...U could probably agrue he has been our best defender the last four games...Why hasn't he given this effort on defense or Amare for that matter???...He wasn't focused on defense and neither was the coach....

Expected Nix response:

It's funny how fast people forget that even under MDA the team was playing some good D. They act like this is something new, but the key defensive players have been doing it all year. The difference now is that STAT and Melo finally joined in. If they had done it all year this team would be in better shape. Now they have to keep it up and that is the big question.

Glad you're paying attention. Now tell how what I've been saying is inaccurate? It's not like what I say is a lie or not supported by facts. I always abase what I say on facts. You don't have to like it but you can't refute it!!!

Whatever you say MR Rain Man.

mrKnickShot wrote:The truth is - as much as you hate though can't admit it :-(:

We cut out the malignant tumor (MDA) and now we are humming so beautifully - enjoy it!

As they always say, you gotta cut out the weakest link to turn a loser into a winner.

As Misterearl says: Release the HOUNDS!

What are you saying? From what I can tell a whole lot of NOTHING!

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:The truth is - as much as you hate though can't admit it :-(:

We cut out the malignant tumor (MDA) and now we are humming so beautifully - enjoy it!

As they always say, you gotta cut out the weakest link to turn a loser into a winner.

As Misterearl says: Release the HOUNDS!

You're the only one that wants to keep making this about MDA! This thread is about Melo and his impact or lack thereof. You seem to think that my points are motivated by some lingering loyalty to MDA, when i've posted nothing but facts to support my point of view about Melo and his lack of positive impact on the team. He's some persecuted hero. Melo has only himself to blame for the attitudes that people have towards him. I'm still waiting for him to be "THE REASON" we win games like other Superstars.

What are you saying? From what I can tell a whole lot of NOTHING!

I am saying that both MDA and Melo are at fault.

Can you bring yourself to say that? Nope. Why? Because you are in love/la la land.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:The truth is - as much as you hate though can't admit it :-(:

We cut out the malignant tumor (MDA) and now we are humming so beautifully - enjoy it!

As they always say, you gotta cut out the weakest link to turn a loser into a winner.

As Misterearl says: Release the HOUNDS!

You're the only one that wants to keep making this about MDA! This thread is about Melo and his impact or lack thereof. You seem to think that my points are motivated by some lingering loyalty to MDA, when i've posted nothing but facts to support my point of view about Melo and his lack of positive impact on the team. He's some persecuted hero. Melo has only himself to blame for the attitudes that people have towards him. I'm still waiting for him to be "THE REASON" we win games like other Superstars.

What are you saying? From what I can tell a whole lot of NOTHING!

I am saying that both MDA and Melo are at fault.

Can you bring yourself to say that? Nope. Why? Because you are in love/la la land.

You keep wanting to make this about MDA and really it's about Melo. It's always been about Melo. Why are you saying this is about MDA when it's Melo who is still struggling to find his place even after MDA leaves? If Melo had just given max effort like he's doing now this team could've won a lot more games. he now realizes that he should'nt have been so preoccupied with his scoring so much that he stopped playing hard. That's all Melo. No need to try and find other culprits. The team wins in spite of Melo and without him. Try and refute that!!! Show us your bevy of statistical information that proves that to be wrong.

Bevy?

Coach/Tumor gone, team PLAYING PHUCKIN DEFENSE FINALLY and winning. Players (all of them) are thrilled FINALLY, fans thrilled ...

NIXLUVA SO SAD

Bottom line, coach sucked end of story! More Bevy? The coach sucked so bad that he is no longer the coach.

This is really fun

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:The truth is - as much as you hate though can't admit it :-(:

We cut out the malignant tumor (MDA) and now we are humming so beautifully - enjoy it!

As they always say, you gotta cut out the weakest link to turn a loser into a winner.

As Misterearl says: Release the HOUNDS!

You're the only one that wants to keep making this about MDA! This thread is about Melo and his impact or lack thereof. You seem to think that my points are motivated by some lingering loyalty to MDA, when i've posted nothing but facts to support my point of view about Melo and his lack of positive impact on the team. He's some persecuted hero. Melo has only himself to blame for the attitudes that people have towards him. I'm still waiting for him to be "THE REASON" we win games like other Superstars.

What are you saying? From what I can tell a whole lot of NOTHING!

I am saying that both MDA and Melo are at fault.

Can you bring yourself to say that? Nope. Why? Because you are in love/la la land.

You keep wanting to make this about MDA and really it's about Melo. It's always been about Melo. Why are you saying this is about MDA when it's Melo who is still struggling to find his place even after MDA leaves? If Melo had just given max effort like he's doing now this team could've won a lot more games. he now realizes that he should'nt have been so preoccupied with his scoring so much that he stopped playing hard. That's all Melo. No need to try and find other culprits. The team wins in spite of Melo and without him. Try and refute that!!! Show us your bevy of statistical information that proves that to be wrong.

LMAO...Like I said, you guys cant bring yourselves to admit that MDA was as much to blame as Melo. The fact that you cant find one fault with MDA and you keep deflecting by saying the thread is about Melo "When have you ever seen one thread on this board stick to one topic?" is a cop out.

What are we arguing about. The Knicks have one five straight and are under .500 and everyone acts like carmelo has done anything.but play like **** here. How many small forwards are shooting 40%?? We have no cap room, no draft picks, no amnesty, excuse me if I'm not excited about a fat overweight diva we are all supposed to support by default. Do something and then we revist the thread. Until then pro Melo doesn't exist because sadly there is nothing to support.

MS wrote:How good was the clippers package? Eric Gordon hasn't played at all. So you get a guy that never plays a number 10 selection and a bench player. Taking Chandler, Gallo, Felton and moz is sadly a.better package.

What are we arguing about. The Knicks have one five straight and are under .500 and everyone acts like carmelo has done anything.but play like **** here. How many small forwards are shooting 40%?? We have no cap room, no draft picks, no amnesty, excuse me if I'm not excited about a fat overweight diva we are all supposed to support by default. Do something and then we revist the thread. Until then pro Melo doesn't exist because sadly there is nothing to support.

Why is it hard to support a team that just won s straight games?!?!