EnySpree wrote:

game footage from the bobcat game....

clip says it all....this ****ing guy needs to play

nixluva wrote:We all like the kids talent, but can we let him build up to his shot at PG. Why do we need to rush him in there? He's learning and working on his game, just let him keep doing that and when the Coaches think he's ready i'm sure he'll get a shot, but just remember that he's behind TD who they just re-upped. Lin is gonna have to play so well that he forces their hand. I actually think he has the talent to do it, but it still has to be done before he'll get the nod over vets like TD and Bibby. I think we're all pulling for the kid.

welcome back dude....I just can't take the stuff being said about him like hes total trash....he is not.I can totally get what you say, because thats what hes going through...but it comes a time when you gotta let the dude play. the clip I posted was a perfect example of his talent. He looks great now. I wanna see him play. If he got like 15-20 minutes I believe he would totally succeed

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Bippity10 wrote:Lin's career average is 1.4 assists to .6 turnovers. Someone do the math real quick.

What's that like 14:1 assist to turnover ratio. Again, he may be a superstar. May be the greatest pg in the history of the world for all I know, but he has shown none of this in actual game action. All he has shown is the potential to one day get minutes

No, that's like 14:6, or 7:3 or 2.33:1

Thanks Ramtour. Your math skills are invaluable

If you are going to use it to prove a point, might as well not make stuff up. 2.33:1 is pretty decent, considering 3:1 is the golden standard. Thank you, please come again.

You just proved my point. At 2.33:1 he has done nothing to separate himself. He's not a great scorer, defender or shooter and his assist to turnover ratio is mediocre. So back to my original point. Maybe he's a basketball god. Maybe he's destroying everyone including Melo in practice. But my question is what is everyone actually seeing in four minutes a night in 6 meaningless games that has separated him from td and or Bibby. Are you saying its his 2.33.1 turnover ratio?

Um, I don't know why you think I proved your point. Nothing to separate himself from who? Top PG of the league? He is below the golden standard atm, sure. Do you need him to have 3:1 ratio in order for people to be able to say that he is our best,healthy, PG without you thinking that its somehow proving your point? And please spare us from going back to your original failed attempt at sarcasm, us knick fans have already been through enough pain.

This is one of those circle arguments. I'm asking what has he shown in his four minutes of meaningless play in blow outs to separate himself from tony and bibby. I'm not saying he is or isn't better. I'm asking you or anyone else what has he done on a basketball court to prove to all of us that he is our best pg and should be starting over the other three guys. There is nothing that stands out. Not assist to turnover, not shooting, not defense, not rebounding? What am I missing. Hes shown potential but no results.

He has shown results. 4 assists and 8 points, with 2 rebounds in 6 minutes is tremendous production, plus all of the assists were in the flow of running the offense, and he would've had more had a few more shots dropped. Plus he has produced in D League not only this year but all of last year (1st team D League). How are you going to see results if you don't play him?

Please allow me to use the phrase loweyeque used(hopefully he wouldn't mind) and I quote: "preach reason at your own peril."

You guys have the reading comprehension of four year olds. I did not utter any resistance to playing him. I even said in the very post that you responded to "I'm not saying he is or isn't better" it's written a mere 4 lines above the response. I'll ask the question again. What has he done to separate himself from abibby and td in the meaningless minutes he has received. What has he shown in four minutes per game that so many can definitively say that he is the best pg on the team, clearly should be a major part of the rotation and that our coaching staff has an obvious agenda against him.

Again, I'm fine if they play him tomorrow. Imfine if they give him a shot. I'm just not sure how we turn the situation around our 12th man into an indictment of the coaching staff. Blast there preparation. Blast ther past defensive woes. Blast them for our poor offense. But for Jeremy Lin? we have some people saying Baron will not make a difference. Some of those same people are saying Jeremy Lin will? It's odd to me.

Why am I so adamant about this topic? Because its a repeat of our conversations about td 2'years ago. It's a repeat of the Anthony Randolph can't miss arguments from last year. Let's show some patience for once. Let the kid develop before we declare him the starter. Four weeks ago he was a nervous wreck during the final four minutes of a meaningless blowout. Now we want to thrust the guy out there against Chris Paul, rondo and everyone else on the brightest stage in the nba. Let the guy get his sea legs. If he is outplaying td and bibby our staff will play him. They've done it time and time again over the last three years.

Bippity10 wrote:Let the guy get his sea legs. If he is outplaying td and bibby our staff will play him. They've done it time and time again over the last three years.

Childs2Dudley wrote:We're at the point now where we're begging for a D-League guy who got by two teams in the same training camp to play.

Is nobody really thinking about this? If this is our hope then what's the next hope after this? Hoping Jeffries develops an offensive game? Bibby goes int a time machine? Jerome Jordan morphs into Michael Jordan?

I'd settle for the supporting cast to play like they did last year. If our role players were hitting like they did last year that would help. A healthy Melo would be nice. So far we haven't had the team as a whole clicking all year. Either someone is hurt or slumping.

It can take years for a good PG to really reach his potential in running a pro offense. Not counting the great ones who are natural passers. The average PG needs time and even more so in this system which puts so much responsibility on the PG to actually THINK when he's out there. It only looks like all you have to do is drive off picks, but in truth there's more to it than that. The PG has to read the defense and direct his teammates while tricking the D into moving where they want them to go in order to open up the open shot. I think Lin has more ability to do that than the guys we have playing now, but he's still gotta learn the ins and outs of this system in order to really be effective. Took a month for Duhon, Felton and CB, so that should tell you something.

Childs2Dudley wrote:We're at the point now where we're begging for a D-League guy who got by two teams in the same training camp to play.

Is nobody really thinking about this? If this is our hope then what's the next hope after this? Hoping Jeffries develops an offensive game? Bibby goes int a time machine? Jerome Jordan morphs into Michael Jordan?

John Stark was working for Safeway before the Knicks came calling....Jeremy Lin is a d-league guy now. When he starts to play meaningful minutes he can be the tea bag and you can be the cup of hot water

ramtour420 wrote:Nix, it don't have nothing to do what happened before and I doubt anyone wants those crap players back. We need a PG now. Really really bad. The kid has shown he has potential. And then he gets sent to d-league. That's not cool. Meanwhile TD assistto turnover this year is 1.22:1 meaning Lin gets nearly double the assists per turnover

Getting sent to the D league wasn't a punishment! The team wants to try and give the kids a shot to get some run which is hard with the lack of practice time we've had. This season sucks in terms of developing young players. There are no consecutive days off like in a normal season. You can't have one of those mini camps during an extended set of off days.

Also you severely underestimate the NBA level of play and how hard it is to just learn this offense on the fly. There are so many things to learn. Just getting the basics is one thing but then you have to learn the variations based on what the defense takes away. There are so many different things a kid has to learn. You can't make a judgement of how far he's come in learning by watching some garbage time minutes against another teams scrubs. That's next to meaningless.

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ramtour420 wrote:Nix, it don't have nothing to do what happened before and I doubt anyone wants those crap players back. We need a PG now. Really really bad. The kid has shown he has potential. And then he gets sent to d-league. That's not cool. Meanwhile TD assistto turnover this year is 1.22:1 meaning Lin gets nearly double the assists per turnover

Getting sent to the D league wasn't a punishment! The team wants to try and give the kids a shot to get some run which is hard with the lack of practice time we've had. This season sucks in terms of developing young players. There are no consecutive days off like in a normal season. You can't have one of those mini camps during an extended set of off days.

Also you severely underestimate the NBA level of play and how hard it is to just learn this offense on the fly. There are so many things to learn. Just getting the basics is one thing but then you have to learn the variations based on what the defense takes away. There are so many different things a kid has to learn. You can't make a judgement of how far he's come in learning by watching some garbage time minutes against another teams scrubs. That's next to meaningless.

Well, some points i agree. Yes, in this season is tough to learn on the fly. The basics and then the variations is a tough task to ask anyone to learn. But I must also add that TD has been with the team for quite some time now. About 4 or 5 times as long as Lin has. Does he show that he is a tiny teeny fraction of a percent better at running the team? No, quite the opposite. And he is hurt as well. Why are we running him into the ground? Making his life, stats and confidence a thing of a long, long time ago in a land far away? Playing him more is making it worse. Our first game we beat the Celts. Look at us now, not only do we lack confidence but we are HURT. TD is hurt, Melo is hurt and those are our primary playmakers. So whats our solution? Run them into the ground? Ruin their bodies and destroy their confidence alltogether by putting them into positions to fail because their weaknesses are magnified? That is what MDA is doing.

Now here is what I don't agree with. Making a judgement based on his time spent in a blowout against scrubs. Sure its easy to dismiss and sent him to D-league. But, he was playing with total scrubs as well. And he showed his understanding of the system and an ability to run it. Yes, against scrubs, but also with scrubs as his running mates. While TD, who he is competing against for playing time, have shown a complete opposite. A total lack of ability to perform, playing along side of our best players against the opposing best players. It is not going to get better either, our guys are already breaking down. Now is the time to act. So the logical conclusion would be to see what Lin can do in a real game. Playing with the starters against opposing starters. He has shown promise in every other situation. Minutes in a blowout playing with and against scrubs- check. Ripping a new one in the D-league- check. Once BD comes back tho, its game over for Lin. TD will look a bit better. We will play a bit better. Will BD make us the best team in the league? Probably not. But to think that he will not improve our pathetic play would be just as wrong. We probably have the worst PG play in the whole league right now. We can blame the league schedule, the system, the coach, TD injuries , whatever. Point is that Lin would improve us in that area simply by default.

nixluva wrote:If Lin develops to the point where he's ready to play I don't believe that he wouldn't play when Baron is ready. Lin could still take the place of TD and Bibby if he's showing himself to be a better floor general. MDA wants to win. His decisions are only based on whether he feels a player can help him win. That's it.

I am not doubting his intentions. Only his methods.