Doesn't matter if Iman isn't a perfect shooter. He literally OOZES positive energy that picks up the rest of the team. Guys that have always been high energy and pumped guys looked down and lethargic before he started playing. Now guys are moving and grooving on O and D. That's the most important factor for this team. Iman gets into the teeth of the D which we DESPERATELY needed!!! Those drives and little shovel passes to open teammates are exactly what this team needs to run a high efficiency offense. That says he's capable of running the point and should get even better as he learns more tricks of the trade and gains more experience.

Just put this in your thought process when evaluating Shump. His success isn't predicated on some scoring explosion that could be a fluke. He's been successful doing the little things. Defense, rebounding, solid passing, smart decision making and being able to control his urge to shoot the ball just cuz he has it in his hands. That's who he is and has always shown himself to be in college. People focused on the wrong things. They said he couldn't run point, but he was a PG his whole career. He's succeeded so far just being who he is. He hasn't changed a thing. (except shooting too much, which he was compelled to do on a bad college team )

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:Here is the thing about your comment I highlighted: you have done the exact same thing but in the opposite direction; you hyped that this kid was trash when he was drafted and you are still doing it in your comment about next season.

How about we watch how this plays out and enjoy the ride instead of acting like we can definitively predict the future each and every time.

I didn't say he was trash. I said his upside was limited.

The guy has tools but alot of guards have athleticism without a jumper. Ronnie Brewer comes to mind.

Are you even watching the games? Upside limited??

Here is how I know this guy is gonna be good. Those two assist he had to Amare for dunks. What impressed me was not the move to get there or the pass themselves but that he didn't get charges making those passes. Those are moves stars or solid NBA players make. He isn't a Landry Fields or Toney Douglas with several weaknesses that are visible and you're hoping he turns out good.

Shumpert Right Now is a SOLID NBA PLAYER. Even if he never gets a consistent jumper he will still be a SOLID NBA PLAYER on his defense and playmaking ability alone.

nixluva wrote:Playing tough D is gonna actually save all of our players from injury due to stress. Getting big leads will allow more rest for the starters. Even last game some complained about the guys being in there late, but Shump only played 28 mins! So really playing hard actually will end up saving Shump from wearing down.

Playing tough defense is also something that can be depended on more than shooting jumpers. The concern this condensed season is more for the inevitable injuries. The best thing about Shumpert's influence on Mike Bibby is that Bibby finally receibed some accurate passes in rhythm where he likes the ball. The result? Volia! All of a sudden Bibby is finding the range.

Amazing how that works.

Does Shumpert make the players around him better?

You damn skippy.

“He’s just a big guard and he is playing with a lot of confidence and he is going to get a lot better,” D’Antoni said.

The contrast between Shumpert and Douglas is so severe that it is not fair to ToneyD to make any comparison. The boos are the frustration with caution.

Shumpert is a rare level of athlete who combines physical gifts, quick comprehension and a fierce will to win.

We are lucky to have him. Thank you Donnie Walsh.

GustavBahler wrote:I'm hoping Shumpert will be the starting SG when Davis is starting at PG. Fields is playing hard but unfortunately can't change gears the way Shumpert does when a defender blocks his path. Fields can throw it down with authority if he has a clear path to the bucket, but if anyone gets between him and the rim, Fields has problems finishing. More often than not he can't. I like Fields and his old school smarts but I'm not seeing any real improvement in his game, not enough to justify keeping him as a starter.

I hope they aren't grooming Shumpert for PG. He can find a teammate in traffic while in motion, like a PG, but it doesn't mean
the Knicks should make Iman one. This team could use a starting backcourt with two play making guards.

Both Iman and Davis can play PG/SG....I don't think its even a question between Shump and fields....I hope it's not a debate between Davis or Fields.

My only concern with starting Shump and Davis, is what happens when Fields and Douglas start stinking it up off the bench? Then either Shump or Davis will start logging major minutes, who are both injury prone right now.

It's obvious, we need to add some veterans to this bench.......There's too much of a drop off, on the offensive end, when you look at that bench. Outside of Bibby, who still needs somebody to create for him....
JJ, JJ, Jorts, Fields, Walker, Douglas, Lin, Balkman, Novak....

blkexec wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I'm hoping Shumpert will be the starting SG when Davis is starting at PG. Fields is playing hard but unfortunately can't change gears the way Shumpert does when a defender blocks his path. Fields can throw it down with authority if he has a clear path to the bucket, but if anyone gets between him and the rim, Fields has problems finishing. More often than not he can't. I like Fields and his old school smarts but I'm not seeing any real improvement in his game, not enough to justify keeping him as a starter.

I hope they aren't grooming Shumpert for PG. He can find a teammate in traffic while in motion, like a PG, but it doesn't mean
the Knicks should make Iman one. This team could use a starting backcourt with two play making guards.

Both Iman and Davis can play PG/SG....I don't think its even a question between Shump and fields....I hope it's not a debate between Davis or Fields.

My only concern with starting Shump and Davis, is what happens when Fields and Douglas start stinking it up off the bench? Then either Shump or Davis will start logging major minutes, who are both injury prone right now.

It's obvious, we need to add some veterans to this bench.......There's too much of a drop off, on the offensive end, when you look at that bench. Outside of Bibby, who still needs somebody to create for him....
JJ, JJ, Jorts, Fields, Walker, Douglas, Lin, Balkman, Novak....

Douglas is cratering, he might need some time off. I don't believe Fields will be taking any time from Davis unless he's hurt. I'd rather see how Fields responds to a benching but at this point it isn't a big problem. He is only in his second year, might take time for him to figure out his role. As long as Shumpert gets his PT, Fields starting for the first few minutes is no big deal in the regular season. If the playoffs come around and Shumpert is playing well enough to start over Fields then I hope he does, probably will be a tight rotation. Davis/Shumpert sounds like a nice backcourt in the playoffs if (like you said) they can stay healthy.

“He has a high basketball I.Q., He knows the plays to make.” - Tyson Chandler

(Shumpert) had 14 assists in the last three games, second only to Anthony’s 17, and just 7 turnovers.

"A knee injury on opening day delayed Shumpert’s impact, and he is still regaining his strength and stamina. But his value is clear. Since returning Jan. 4, Shumpert has averaged 13.8 points, 4.3 assists, 4 rebounds and 2.8 steals in 32.5 minutes in four games. He shot 50 percent from the field during that stretch, including 37.5 from 3-point range."

- Howard Beck, NYT

FrenchKnicks wrote:Just to clarify, I really dislike when a player takes the ball upcourt and shoots it directly. I've watched every games this season, and noticed that Shumpert has done that quite a bit. I hate when Melo does the same by the way, but at least he can shoot. Shumpert is not a very good shooter, so when he takes a shot first, that drives me crazy.

A guy who's not a scorer shouldn't be allowed to take those kind of shots. Hopefully that clears my statement about him.

To be honest it's not the best play but lots of guards do it. This includes some of the best to play the game. Iman has actually hit those shots so it's not the end of the world. It's a really minor nitpick given how well he's played.

misterearl wrote:“We’ve been feeding off of him, feeding off his energy.” - Carmelo Anthony

“He has a high basketball I.Q., He knows the plays to make.” - Tyson Chandler

(Shumpert) had 14 assists in the last three games, second only to Anthony’s 17, and just 7 turnovers.

"A knee injury on opening day delayed Shumpert’s impact, and he is still regaining his strength and stamina. But his value is clear. Since returning Jan. 4, Shumpert has averaged 13.8 points, 4.3 assists, 4 rebounds and 2.8 steals in 32.5 minutes in four games. He shot 50 percent from the field during that stretch, including 37.5 from 3-point range."

- Howard Beck, NYT

"Knicks fans have engaged in their share of irrational love affairs in recent years, falling for undisciplined exuberance (Nate Robinson), unbridled athleticism (Renaldo Balkman) and plucky overachievement (Landry Fields), only for their hearts to be crushed."

- Howard Beck, NYT

just saying...