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2/9/2012  2:05 PM
nixluva wrote:What you want to do is maximize what your players can do given their talents. MDA is trying to put guys in positions to succeed. Role players like Fields, Walker, Novak etc. are limited players but in the right position they can be effective. MDA has created a system that attempts to make the game easier for players even if you don't have great players at every position. Even if you don't have great size. That why he was able to get to the WCF's with no center and only 6-8 Diaw in the middle. They played team ball and it was very effective.

Now we see Lin is at home in this style of play and everyone is benefiting from the open looks they can get in this system. We needed a facilitator and Lin is proving to be a talented one at that. If Lin can hit the midrange jumper consistently he'll be set for success. Because Lin keeps his dribble and sticks to the system he's able to find guys in position to succeed. In the 1st qtr of the Wiz game they were missing shots, but they were playing the right way. It's not like Lin was just winging it. That is the way the system is designed to work. Here are just a few half court plays from the SSOL playbook.


One obese Cliche.

That's great. I am sure Isiah had play designs too.

This is kinda funny.

Every coach wants to "maximize their players talents"
Every coach wants to "put guys in positions to succeed" (I think :-) )
Every good TEAM had limited/role players that "if put in the right position can be effective"

No coach has GREAT players at every position.

Great players make plays. A good coach is very important to manage great players - we don't need a genius - this is not rocket science.

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2/9/2012  3:49 PM
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nixluva wrote:What you want to do is maximize what your players can do given their talents. MDA is trying to put guys in positions to succeed. Role players like Fields, Walker, Novak etc. are limited players but in the right position they can be effective. MDA has created a system that attempts to make the game easier for players even if you don't have great players at every position. Even if you don't have great size. That why he was able to get to the WCF's with no center and only 6-8 Diaw in the middle. They played team ball and it was very effective.

Now we see Lin is at home in this style of play and everyone is benefiting from the open looks they can get in this system. We needed a facilitator and Lin is proving to be a talented one at that. If Lin can hit the midrange jumper consistently he'll be set for success. Because Lin keeps his dribble and sticks to the system he's able to find guys in position to succeed. In the 1st qtr of the Wiz game they were missing shots, but they were playing the right way. It's not like Lin was just winging it. That is the way the system is designed to work. Here are just a few half court plays from the SSOL playbook.


One obese Cliche.

That's great. I am sure Isiah had play designs too.

This is kinda funny.

Every coach wants to "maximize their players talents"
Every coach wants to "put guys in positions to succeed" (I think :-) )
Every good TEAM had limited/role players that "if put in the right position can be effective"

No coach has GREAT players at every position.

Great players make plays. A good coach is very important to manage great players - we don't need a genius - this is not rocket science.

So you think that it means nothing that MDA's offense has been a top offense in the league in terms of being one of the most efficient? In successive years MDA's offense was #1, #2, #1, #2 in efficiency. It only dropped here in NY with Duhon and a cast of poor PG's running the point. #17, #17 and then last year we finally got a good PG in Felton and lo and behold the team jumped to #5. We sucked with no PG and then lo and behold you put a PG like Lin in the mix and they're scoring with just our scrubs.

Yes every coach "wants" to maximize their players talents and put them in position to succeed, but our coach has actually excelled at doing it!!!
This is a coach that had Boris Diaw come from being a nobody on his former team the Hawks to being the Center on his team that went to the WCF's. You don't want to think that MDA is a good coach and that he makes a difference but you really don't have anything to back up what you're saying.

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2/9/2012  4:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2012  5:13 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:What you want to do is maximize what your players can do given their talents. MDA is trying to put guys in positions to succeed. Role players like Fields, Walker, Novak etc. are limited players but in the right position they can be effective. MDA has created a system that attempts to make the game easier for players even if you don't have great players at every position. Even if you don't have great size. That why he was able to get to the WCF's with no center and only 6-8 Diaw in the middle. They played team ball and it was very effective.

Now we see Lin is at home in this style of play and everyone is benefiting from the open looks they can get in this system. We needed a facilitator and Lin is proving to be a talented one at that. If Lin can hit the midrange jumper consistently he'll be set for success. Because Lin keeps his dribble and sticks to the system he's able to find guys in position to succeed. In the 1st qtr of the Wiz game they were missing shots, but they were playing the right way. It's not like Lin was just winging it. That is the way the system is designed to work. Here are just a few half court plays from the SSOL playbook.


One obese Cliche.

That's great. I am sure Isiah had play designs too.

This is kinda funny.

Every coach wants to "maximize their players talents"
Every coach wants to "put guys in positions to succeed" (I think :-) )
Every good TEAM had limited/role players that "if put in the right position can be effective"

No coach has GREAT players at every position.

Great players make plays. A good coach is very important to manage great players - we don't need a genius - this is not rocket science.

So you think that it means nothing that MDA's offense has been a top offense in the league in terms of being one of the most efficient? In successive years MDA's offense was #1, #2, #1, #2 in efficiency. It only dropped here in NY with Duhon and a cast of poor PG's running the point. #17, #17 and then last year we finally got a good PG in Felton and lo and behold the team jumped to #5. We sucked with no PG and then lo and behold you put a PG like Lin in the mix and they're scoring with just our scrubs.

Yes every coach "wants" to maximize their players talents and put them in position to succeed, but our coach has actually excelled at doing it!!!
This is a coach that had Boris Diaw come from being a nobody on his former team the Hawks to being the Center on his team that went to the WCF's. You don't want to think that MDA is a good coach and that he makes a difference but you really don't have anything to back up what you're saying.

Interesting how PHX was #1 in Offensive Efficiency after he left. TWICE! (PLEASE DON'T SAY BECAUSE THEY STAYED WITH SSOL - You're better than that)
Interesting how Denver was #1 in Offensive Efficiency last year. Oh, but George Karl had no time to write a book about what kind of genius because he was very ill.

The Knicks were ranked 5-8th last year (depends on the site) - Pretty decent. But George Karl, I this is the true Genius.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency?date=2011-06-12

I think it means that he is a good offensive coach with 2 offensive superstars in PHX / 2 time MVP and a great "offensive" supporting cast.

His knicks team last year was an excellent offensive team.

Again he is a good "offensive" coach but no genius. The PNR with the right player(s) can be indefensible as Clyde always says.

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2/9/2012  5:25 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:What you want to do is maximize what your players can do given their talents. MDA is trying to put guys in positions to succeed. Role players like Fields, Walker, Novak etc. are limited players but in the right position they can be effective. MDA has created a system that attempts to make the game easier for players even if you don't have great players at every position. Even if you don't have great size. That why he was able to get to the WCF's with no center and only 6-8 Diaw in the middle. They played team ball and it was very effective.

Now we see Lin is at home in this style of play and everyone is benefiting from the open looks they can get in this system. We needed a facilitator and Lin is proving to be a talented one at that. If Lin can hit the midrange jumper consistently he'll be set for success. Because Lin keeps his dribble and sticks to the system he's able to find guys in position to succeed. In the 1st qtr of the Wiz game they were missing shots, but they were playing the right way. It's not like Lin was just winging it. That is the way the system is designed to work. Here are just a few half court plays from the SSOL playbook.


One obese Cliche.

That's great. I am sure Isiah had play designs too.

This is kinda funny.

Every coach wants to "maximize their players talents"
Every coach wants to "put guys in positions to succeed" (I think :-) )
Every good TEAM had limited/role players that "if put in the right position can be effective"

No coach has GREAT players at every position.

Great players make plays. A good coach is very important to manage great players - we don't need a genius - this is not rocket science.

So you think that it means nothing that MDA's offense has been a top offense in the league in terms of being one of the most efficient? In successive years MDA's offense was #1, #2, #1, #2 in efficiency. It only dropped here in NY with Duhon and a cast of poor PG's running the point. #17, #17 and then last year we finally got a good PG in Felton and lo and behold the team jumped to #5. We sucked with no PG and then lo and behold you put a PG like Lin in the mix and they're scoring with just our scrubs.

Yes every coach "wants" to maximize their players talents and put them in position to succeed, but our coach has actually excelled at doing it!!!
This is a coach that had Boris Diaw come from being a nobody on his former team the Hawks to being the Center on his team that went to the WCF's. You don't want to think that MDA is a good coach and that he makes a difference but you really don't have anything to back up what you're saying.

Interesting how PHX was #1 in Offensive Efficiency after he left. TWICE! (PLEASE DON'T SAY BECAUSE THEY STAYED WITH SSOL - You're better than that)
Interesting how Denver was #1 in Offensive Efficiency last year. Oh, but George Karl had no time to write a book about what kind of genius because he was very ill.

The Knicks were ranked 5-8th last year (depends on the site) - Pretty decent. But George Karl, I this is the true Genius.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency?date=2011-06-12

I think it means that he is a good offensive coach with 2 offensive superstars in PHX / 2 time MVP and a great "offensive" supporting cast.

His knicks team last year was an excellent offensive team.

Again he is a good "offensive" coach but no genius. The PNR with the right player(s) can be indefensible as Clyde always says.

Did I say that D'Antoni was the only good offensive coach? Karl is a great coach, but that has nothing to do with this argument! MDA didn't write a book about himself, someone else was inspired to write about him. MDA doesn't call himself a genius many others that know way more than you have said that. I've tried to show you that there's more to it than just PnR but you go on in your ignorance thinking you know better.

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2/9/2012  5:36 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:What you want to do is maximize what your players can do given their talents. MDA is trying to put guys in positions to succeed. Role players like Fields, Walker, Novak etc. are limited players but in the right position they can be effective. MDA has created a system that attempts to make the game easier for players even if you don't have great players at every position. Even if you don't have great size. That why he was able to get to the WCF's with no center and only 6-8 Diaw in the middle. They played team ball and it was very effective.

Now we see Lin is at home in this style of play and everyone is benefiting from the open looks they can get in this system. We needed a facilitator and Lin is proving to be a talented one at that. If Lin can hit the midrange jumper consistently he'll be set for success. Because Lin keeps his dribble and sticks to the system he's able to find guys in position to succeed. In the 1st qtr of the Wiz game they were missing shots, but they were playing the right way. It's not like Lin was just winging it. That is the way the system is designed to work. Here are just a few half court plays from the SSOL playbook.


One obese Cliche.

That's great. I am sure Isiah had play designs too.

This is kinda funny.

Every coach wants to "maximize their players talents"
Every coach wants to "put guys in positions to succeed" (I think :-) )
Every good TEAM had limited/role players that "if put in the right position can be effective"

No coach has GREAT players at every position.

Great players make plays. A good coach is very important to manage great players - we don't need a genius - this is not rocket science.

So you think that it means nothing that MDA's offense has been a top offense in the league in terms of being one of the most efficient? In successive years MDA's offense was #1, #2, #1, #2 in efficiency. It only dropped here in NY with Duhon and a cast of poor PG's running the point. #17, #17 and then last year we finally got a good PG in Felton and lo and behold the team jumped to #5. We sucked with no PG and then lo and behold you put a PG like Lin in the mix and they're scoring with just our scrubs.

Yes every coach "wants" to maximize their players talents and put them in position to succeed, but our coach has actually excelled at doing it!!!
This is a coach that had Boris Diaw come from being a nobody on his former team the Hawks to being the Center on his team that went to the WCF's. You don't want to think that MDA is a good coach and that he makes a difference but you really don't have anything to back up what you're saying.

Interesting how PHX was #1 in Offensive Efficiency after he left. TWICE! (PLEASE DON'T SAY BECAUSE THEY STAYED WITH SSOL - You're better than that)
Interesting how Denver was #1 in Offensive Efficiency last year. Oh, but George Karl had no time to write a book about what kind of genius because he was very ill.

The Knicks were ranked 5-8th last year (depends on the site) - Pretty decent. But George Karl, I this is the true Genius.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency?date=2011-06-12

I think it means that he is a good offensive coach with 2 offensive superstars in PHX / 2 time MVP and a great "offensive" supporting cast.

His knicks team last year was an excellent offensive team.

Again he is a good "offensive" coach but no genius. The PNR with the right player(s) can be indefensible as Clyde always says.

Did I say that D'Antoni was the only good offensive coach? Karl is a great coach, but that has nothing to do with this argument! MDA didn't write a book about himself, someone else was inspired to write about him. MDA doesn't call himself a genius many others that know way more than you have said that. I've tried to show you that there's more to it than just PnR but you go on in your ignorance thinking you know better.

The only ignorant one here is you! You are so busy with your man-crush and blinded by it. I don't care about the coach, I care about the Knicks and winning.

PHX POST MDA OFFENSIVE OFF - #1 AND AGAIN #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALVIN GENTRY IS A GENIUS!! UH - NO!

so interesting that when amare left, huh? what? no more #1! Funny how things go.

please, stop with your numbers unless they say NUMBER OF RINGS!

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2/9/2012  5:48 PM
so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?
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2/9/2012  5:54 PM
eViL wrote:so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?

Of course he gets credit. But Nixluva only gives credit - never blame. That is tunnel vision at its best.

I am not an MDA hater and would like to see him succeed. He is a good offensive coach but is too rigid and stubborn sometimes. I think that is a fair open minded assessment. You can say "look how great he is Phx/off eff. #1 and #2 because of him when after he left they were #1 TWICE. Nash and Stat are crazy high FG/efficient scorers, I believe that plays a part in OfF Eff. - one would think ... unless they are ignorant

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2/9/2012  6:01 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:What you want to do is maximize what your players can do given their talents. MDA is trying to put guys in positions to succeed. Role players like Fields, Walker, Novak etc. are limited players but in the right position they can be effective. MDA has created a system that attempts to make the game easier for players even if you don't have great players at every position. Even if you don't have great size. That why he was able to get to the WCF's with no center and only 6-8 Diaw in the middle. They played team ball and it was very effective.

Now we see Lin is at home in this style of play and everyone is benefiting from the open looks they can get in this system. We needed a facilitator and Lin is proving to be a talented one at that. If Lin can hit the midrange jumper consistently he'll be set for success. Because Lin keeps his dribble and sticks to the system he's able to find guys in position to succeed. In the 1st qtr of the Wiz game they were missing shots, but they were playing the right way. It's not like Lin was just winging it. That is the way the system is designed to work. Here are just a few half court plays from the SSOL playbook.


One obese Cliche.

That's great. I am sure Isiah had play designs too.

This is kinda funny.

Every coach wants to "maximize their players talents"
Every coach wants to "put guys in positions to succeed" (I think :-) )
Every good TEAM had limited/role players that "if put in the right position can be effective"

No coach has GREAT players at every position.

Great players make plays. A good coach is very important to manage great players - we don't need a genius - this is not rocket science.

So you think that it means nothing that MDA's offense has been a top offense in the league in terms of being one of the most efficient? In successive years MDA's offense was #1, #2, #1, #2 in efficiency. It only dropped here in NY with Duhon and a cast of poor PG's running the point. #17, #17 and then last year we finally got a good PG in Felton and lo and behold the team jumped to #5. We sucked with no PG and then lo and behold you put a PG like Lin in the mix and they're scoring with just our scrubs.

Yes every coach "wants" to maximize their players talents and put them in position to succeed, but our coach has actually excelled at doing it!!!
This is a coach that had Boris Diaw come from being a nobody on his former team the Hawks to being the Center on his team that went to the WCF's. You don't want to think that MDA is a good coach and that he makes a difference but you really don't have anything to back up what you're saying.

Interesting how PHX was #1 in Offensive Efficiency after he left. TWICE! (PLEASE DON'T SAY BECAUSE THEY STAYED WITH SSOL - You're better than that)
Interesting how Denver was #1 in Offensive Efficiency last year. Oh, but George Karl had no time to write a book about what kind of genius because he was very ill.

The Knicks were ranked 5-8th last year (depends on the site) - Pretty decent. But George Karl, I this is the true Genius.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency?date=2011-06-12

I think it means that he is a good offensive coach with 2 offensive superstars in PHX / 2 time MVP and a great "offensive" supporting cast.

His knicks team last year was an excellent offensive team.

Again he is a good "offensive" coach but no genius. The PNR with the right player(s) can be indefensible as Clyde always says.

Did I say that D'Antoni was the only good offensive coach? Karl is a great coach, but that has nothing to do with this argument! MDA didn't write a book about himself, someone else was inspired to write about him. MDA doesn't call himself a genius many others that know way more than you have said that. I've tried to show you that there's more to it than just PnR but you go on in your ignorance thinking you know better.

The only ignorant one here is you! You are so busy with your man-crush and blinded by it. I don't care about the coach, I care about the Knicks and winning.

PHX POST MDA OFFENSIVE OFF - #1 AND AGAIN #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALVIN GENTRY IS A GENIUS!! UH - NO!

so interesting that when amare left, huh? what? no more #1! Funny how things go.

please, stop with your numbers unless they say NUMBER OF RINGS!

You've got to be kidding! Nash has mastered the system and Gentry was MDA's assistant, of course they can still operate at a high level.

None of the garbage your spewing makes any sense!!! THE SYSTEM is proven! Others can use it or parts of it and find success and they do!!! It takes a combination of talent and coaching to win and that's all I've been trying to say. You have to give credit to the players and the coaches.

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eViL wrote:so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?

Gets credit for what exactly? He himself said he had no idea what he had in J.Lin. He didnt develop this kid. Lin is playing on talent...running around like a chicken with his head cut off and making things happen, lol?

The other day he had 8 turnovers to go along with 8 assists....8 turnovers!!! Lucky for him, the Knicks won or we wouldnt be anointing him the next savior

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eViL wrote:so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?

Has Nix ever blamed him for the team's struggles?
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eViL wrote:so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?

Gets credit for what exactly? He himself said he had no idea what he had in J.Lin. He didnt develop this kid. Lin is playing on talent...running around like a chicken with his head cut off and making things happen, lol?

The other day he had 8 turnovers to go along with 8 assists....8 turnovers!!! Lucky for him, the Knicks won or we wouldnt be anointing him the next savior

You think Lin is just winging it? Don't be fooled? They were working with Lin to get him acclimated to the system!!! How do you think he learned the plays? Why do you think Lin thanked coach K. Atkinson and he said his stint in the D League that runs this system helped him get comfortable. They sent him there to get reps in the system. MDA told Grunwald to pick up Lin cuz he liked his talent level. He just didn't think he'd come along this quick, but he knew he could play!!!

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2/9/2012  6:59 PM
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eViL wrote:so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?

Has Nix ever blamed him for the team's struggles?

lol. no.

but i'm speaking more to the guys who criticize D'Antoni. the guys who say D'Antoni's system is a myth when Lin himself praised the system as a "perfect fit" for his skills. the guys who say D'Antoni can't win without Nash, but somehow long for Phil Jax despite the fact that he hasn't proven to be effective without the best player in the game on his team. the guys who give Lin all the credit for being great, but blame D'Antoni for Melo playing poorly.

i don't know. i'm a big supporter of any coach. i've supported all of our coaches in the last decade except Isiah. maybe it's just my pro-coach bias.

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Swishfm3 wrote:
eViL wrote:so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?

Gets credit for what exactly? He himself said he had no idea what he had in J.Lin. He didnt develop this kid. Lin is playing on talent...running around like a chicken with his head cut off and making things happen, lol?

The other day he had 8 turnovers to go along with 8 assists....8 turnovers!!! Lucky for him, the Knicks won or we wouldnt be anointing him the next savior

You think Lin is just winging it? Don't be fooled? They were working with Lin to get him acclimated to the system!!! How do you think he learned the plays? Why do you think Lin thanked coach K. Atkinson and he said his stint in the D League that runs this system helped him get comfortable. They sent him there to get reps in the system. MDA told Grunwald to pick up Lin cuz he liked his talent level. He just didn't think he'd come along this quick, but he knew he could play!!!

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/02/08/given-a-chance-lin-becomes-new-yorks-newest-star/

Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni knew Lin was intelligent — he had a 4.2 grade-point average in high school. What he didn’t know was whether Lin could play in the NBA, and for a while he was hesitant to find out.

The Knicks struggled out of the gate, and even though D’Antoni had seen glimpses from Lin, he worried this wasn’t the time to turn to a guy who just recently was sent to the NBA Development League.

“I was afraid to do anything, we’re already in a little bit of a crisis and I just can’t be, you know, pulling straws, just trying something, a whim. Other players would be looking at me like ‘You crazy?’ if it didn’t work,” D’Antoni said. “Now he just kept showing stuff a little bit, a little bit. When he got one opportunity, he took advantage of it.”

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Swishfm3 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
eViL wrote:so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?

Gets credit for what exactly? He himself said he had no idea what he had in J.Lin. He didnt develop this kid. Lin is playing on talent...running around like a chicken with his head cut off and making things happen, lol?

The other day he had 8 turnovers to go along with 8 assists....8 turnovers!!! Lucky for him, the Knicks won or we wouldnt be anointing him the next savior

You think Lin is just winging it? Don't be fooled? They were working with Lin to get him acclimated to the system!!! How do you think he learned the plays? Why do you think Lin thanked coach K. Atkinson and he said his stint in the D League that runs this system helped him get comfortable. They sent him there to get reps in the system. MDA told Grunwald to pick up Lin cuz he liked his talent level. He just didn't think he'd come along this quick, but he knew he could play!!!

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/02/08/given-a-chance-lin-becomes-new-yorks-newest-star/

Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni knew Lin was intelligent — he had a 4.2 grade-point average in high school. What he didn’t know was whether Lin could play in the NBA, and for a while he was hesitant to find out.

The Knicks struggled out of the gate, and even though D’Antoni had seen glimpses from Lin, he worried this wasn’t the time to turn to a guy who just recently was sent to the NBA Development League.

“I was afraid to do anything, we’re already in a little bit of a crisis and I just can’t be, you know, pulling straws, just trying something, a whim. Other players would be looking at me like ‘You crazy?’ if it didn’t work,” D’Antoni said. “Now he just kept showing stuff a little bit, a little bit. When he got one opportunity, he took advantage of it.”

Did he ever, it's like he learned how to drive yesterday, 2 days later he's drag racing..

This is a PG system...I just couldn't understand why TD couldn't/can't excel in it.

I wanna give a big shout out to the 2 GM's and there coaching staffs for completely dropping the ball on this one for sure..

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2/9/2012  11:03 PM
When Lin 1st got here he wasn't playing like he's playing now. I'm sure there was a bit of nerves and apprehension due to the situation. Of course of your the coach in a tough spot and you have this kid who's never done anything of note in the NBA, your gonna be cautious even if you liked his talent and make no mistake the Knicks liked his talent. They could've looked to grab any number of unproven PG prospects out there but they picked Lin, cuz MDA remembered that he had some skills he liked. Did he know Lin would catch on that fast and take to it like a fish to water, no, but MDA did say that he hoped to develop him and get him to that level. Lin's one of those guys that fell thru the cracks and never really got a fair shot to show what he could do on this level.

It actually all worked out for the best for Lin, cuz this is about the most perfect situation that Lin could've hoped for. A team laden with talent, but no PG, the position he plays and the system which is designed to accentuate the PG. Tyson and Baron expressed wanting to play for this coach in this system knowing it could be a good fit for them. I hope we get to see Baron healthy and playing here.

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2/10/2012  1:16 AM
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eViL wrote:so d'antoni gets blamed for the team's struggles, but doesn't get credit when the team performs well?

Of course he gets credit. But Nixluva only gives credit - never blame. That is tunnel vision at its best.

I am not an MDA hater and would like to see him succeed. He is a good offensive coach but is too rigid and stubborn sometimes. I think that is a fair open minded assessment. You can say "look how great he is Phx/off eff. #1 and #2 because of him when after he left they were #1 TWICE. Nash and Stat are crazy high FG/efficient scorers, I believe that plays a part in OfF Eff. - one would think ... unless they are ignorant

Keyword, throughout history stubbornness is both the success and failures of human beings.

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2/10/2012  2:33 AM
Nash, STAT and Alvin Gentry spent time learning the system and of course they could continue to run it perfectly without MDA being there. That doesn't mean that the man who created it gets no credit for having created the environment for them to succeed.

Isn't it odd that we see Lin doing the same kinds of things that Nash did in this system? It's that way cuz that is what the design of the system is purposed to do. Lin looked shaky and out of control when he 1st got here. After putting in work and learning the system he got comfortable and is really using his talent and developing chemistry with his teammates. He didn't just luck into this. He actually did spend some time working on what his job was in this system and what they wanted him to do. To Lin's credit he picked it up faster than they expected. That was the purpose of sending Lin to our D League team cuz they actually run this system.

That's the miracle of Lin so far. I hope he can continue to develop in this system and be here for a long time. Just remember that Lin did have to learn to operate in this system and he got help to do so. He's not just out there making it up as he goes along. He's playing the system, but he's just really good at it.


“This is a system that really is beneficial for attacking point guards,’’ Lin said late Saturday following his Garden heroics in the 99-92 victory. “That’s what I was just trying to do.’’

D’Antoni’s speedball system needs a penetrating point guard who can run pick-and-rolls and draw defenders in the lane to create passing lanes. Stoudemire, a pick-and-roll beast, could benefit most from Lin, as he thrived last season with Raymond Felton.

“He played smart,’’ Stoudemire said of Lin. “The way he reads things, he takes what the defense gives him. He’s never out of control. Obviously, teams are now going to be aware of his play, so it’s going to be a little tougher for him.’’

“I still was weighing things,’’ D’Antoni said when asked if Lin had carved a permanent rotation spot. “We’ll go back to the well because he can give us something we can’t do without.’’

The Knicks claimed the undrafted Harvard guard and first Chinese-American to play in the NBA off waivers after the season opener, and his minimum contract is not guaranteed until Friday. Lin played 29 games last season as a rookie with the Warriors.

D’Antoni was impressed at Lin’s workout before the 2010 draft, thinking he could develop into a point guard who could run his system but needed a better jumper and more defensive quickness.

Lin defended Williams well for one Saturday night, and surprised his coach with his composure.

“He missed three, four wide-open shots,” D’Antoni said. “At his position without a lot of experience, that could have crumpled some people, but he took it again and took it again and got it right. I think he showed a lot of mental toughness.’’

After his big night, Lin made two selfless gestures. He praised the starters for defending tenaciously despite it being the third game of a back-to-back-to-back. Then Lin went out of his way to credit Knicks assistant Kenny Atkinson.

Atkinson, unaware of Lin’s plaudit, said, “He’s the hardest worker we have.’’

Lin was disappointed the Knicks sent him to the D-League for two games last month. But Lin posted a triple-double at the new D-League affiliate in Erie that runs D’Antoni’s offense. The Knicks brought him back to face Davis in scrimmages on non-practice days, and a funny thing happened — Lin outplayed Davis.

“It was rough for me,’’ Lin said of the D-League demotion. “Looking back, it was exactly what I needed. Inside it gave me confidence just because it was first time I played in Coach D’Antoni’s system. Just to get a feel for it.’’

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/lin_it_to_win_it_QTfLvSyckoIrvFOSHczXJL#ixzz1laDMUFms

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2/10/2012  8:19 AM
The system with the right people in place is very enjoyable to watch.

I used to enjoy watching the suns play when MDA was there because it was really good basketball. Same for the Spurs and the Lakers.

MDA is inflexible. For coaches its both a strength and a weakness.

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

The right place at the right time.

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2/10/2012  8:27 AM
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

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2/10/2012  8:38 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

There's nothing wrong with the System

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