martin wrote:for me, this puts the Knicks into immediate contention in the East. And all of the core players are 29 and below, so that means the window is like 4-5 years of deep playoffs.

And it also matches Miami at their weak point.

Im great with this move, and I usually hate everything the Knicks do.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:for me, this puts the Knicks into immediate contention in the East. And all of the core players are 29 and below, so that means the window is like 4-5 years of deep playoffs.

And it also matches Miami at their weak point.

Martin... I agree. We have a pair of offensive frontcourt players who can take over games. What we lack is the presense in the middle to protect them. I understand the concern about contract year and health with this guy but he's the 2nd best defensive player in the league and fits a massive need. He makes our stars better. Also we arent giving anything up, but a 35ish PG who is in his last year with us anyway. It leaves Shumpert and Douglas who are pretty good defensive players also.

Im great with this move, and I usually hate everything the Knicks do.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:for me, this puts the Knicks into immediate contention in the East. And all of the core players are 29 and below, so that means the window is like 4-5 years of deep playoffs.

And it also matches Miami at their weak point.

Martin... I agree. We have a pair of offensive frontcourt players who can take over games. What we lack is the presense in the middle to protect them. I understand the concern about contract year and health with this guy but he's the 2nd best defensive player in the league and fits a massive need. He makes our stars better. Also we arent giving anything up, but a 35ish PG who is in his last year with us anyway. It leaves Shumpert and Douglas who are pretty good defensive players also.

Im great with this move, and I usually hate everything the Knicks do.

i'm great with this move, too. UNLESS, they dump amar'e for CP3... then i have misgivings.

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:for me, this puts the Knicks into immediate contention in the East. And all of the core players are 29 and below, so that means the window is like 4-5 years of deep playoffs.

And it also matches Miami at their weak point.

Martin... I agree. We have a pair of offensive frontcourt players who can take over games. What we lack is the presense in the middle to protect them. I understand the concern about contract year and health with this guy but he's the 2nd best defensive player in the league and fits a massive need. He makes our stars better. Also we arent giving anything up, but a 35ish PG who is in his last year with us anyway. It leaves Shumpert and Douglas who are pretty good defensive players also.

Im great with this move, and I usually hate everything the Knicks do.

They might follow it up with trading Amare for CP3. I would HATE that. What about you guys?

Trading Amare Stoudamire for Chris Paul is a good move because it makes the Knicks' run longer, although it's hard to see NO taking that deal.

gunsnewing wrote:so the knicks are not putting all their eggs in the CP3 basket like they did with Lebron. Smart I guess

They're putting all their eggs in the Chandler basket. The move kills any cap space for the next 4 years.

Warriors Not Expecting Chandler To Sign, Will Likely Turn To Nene, Jordan
Dec 08, 2011 1:47 PM EST

The Warriors believe that they are all but out of the hunt for Tyson Chandler, according to sources.

The Knicks quickly emerged as the leading contender for Chandler on Thursday.

Golden State is expected to look elsewhere.

The Warriors could look to Nene, or Sam Amick reports that DeAndre Jordan would be in play.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217145/Warriors_Not_Expecting_Chandler_To_Sign_Will_Likely_Turn_To_Nene_Jordan#ixzz1fyQf468L

Silverfuel wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
I've been away from the forums for a while but ah it's good to be back.

Name calling and bickering aside, I do think C2D has got a point that prior to coming to Dallas Chandler was labeled as a complete draft bust, then as injury prone. I like Chandler and think he's grown from his experience being on those crappy bulls teams and has def. benefited from playing with Chris Paul and then Dirk and a pretty awesome Mavs squad. That and fans have been dying for a true C who rebounds and defends to help out Amare.

Little bit worried about him staying healthy.

That being said C2D, if you're the Knicks GM and you don't sign Chandler, it sounds like you'd rather roll the ball out with Chauncey/Melo/STAT and then....?

see what happens with Chris Paul, Dwight Howard? Maybe someone in the Knicks front office has a strong feeling that neither of them are really coming to NY.

You have to have an alternative. You can't just say Chandler is injury prone and have no plan to fill the C.

Oh in case I didn't make myself clear, I'm 100% on board with signing Chandler. I just think C2D has legitimate concerns about paying him $14M per long term. I'd still do the move myself..if I were GM..which would be pretty great.

Others guys making about as much:

Andre Iguodala
Rip Hamilton
Manu
Durant
Baron Davis
Al Jefferson
Brandon Roy

So yeah $14M for Chandler isn't that crazy esp. when our team desperately needs someone who do what he do

Agree with BS take:

1b. Tyson Chandler
You know what you're getting with the 29-year-old Chandler, the emotional leader and defensive anchor of the 2011 champs. Basically, it's a slightly poor man's version of 2008 KG without a low-post game. Because of his injury history, I wouldn't go higher than four years, $55 million for him (and even that would make me nervous). Of course, someone will creep closer to that $74.3 million limit … and at that point, you're crossing your fingers and hoping for four healthy years from Tyson Chandler.

You know what really fascinates me? Dallas, a team that normally throws money at centers like Pacman Jones making it rain at a strip club, doesn't seem that interested in overpaying Chandler. What do they know? Do they have inside info? Do they think he might break down soon? Note to potential Chandler suitors: If there was ever a time to "pretend" you're in Dallas for the night, invite Mark Cuban out for dinner, put a few drinks in him and eke out his inside Chandler info, it's this week.2

And yet … I still feel like the Mavericks are playing possum here. They wouldn't have beaten Miami without Chandler last year. They know this. They also know that they need to get by Miami THIS year, and if anyone knows how to protect the rim against Miami and get into LeBron's head, it's Tyson Chandler. I can't see them turning that specific responsibility/need/specialty over to Brendan Haywood when they already have that guy and he wants to stay. They just need to get creative; you can't overpay both, but you can overpay one. More on this in a second.

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IF this move gets the Knicks Tyson Chandler for Billups... man, I'm so good with that. If it can convince Grant Hill to come here, too (we'd still have the MLE):

Toney/Iman/Tinsley?
Grant Hill
Melo
Amare
Tyson

love it.

MSG3 wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:so the knicks are not putting all their eggs in the CP3 basket like they did with Lebron. Smart I guess

They're putting all their eggs in the Chandler basket. The move kills any cap space for the next 4 years.

It's okay to speak on the shortcomings of Chandler. I get there are some.

But saying that this move kills our cap space for 4 seasons is a lazy argument. We have 2 Super stars and one of the best C's in the game along with a young talented bench. I would say our cap space has been well spent if Chandler comes here and we can get a PG to distribute.

Maybe you overspend when you're a contender but on Chandler? C'mon man. The guy is mediocre. 8 points, 8 rebounds. He's solid. he's never been known to be a workhorse, he has an injury history. $14 million a year is above overpaying. It's insanity. I would like this guy at $8 million a year. Right now we're $6 million a year over what he should really be getting.

I was always in favor of using next year's $14 million in cap space on 2 or 3 solid players, including a center. Camby would be a free agent. Camby and Nash in one offseason would have been solid, despite their age.

Now we're all-in on Chandler and have no cap space for 4 years and only the vets minimum and MLE to offer to anyone.

Oh and we have Toney Douglas as our starting PG.