tkf wrote:

then I would tell my boss, the current system is broken and it needs to be fixed.. but oh wait.... isn't that what they are trying to do?

As far as the NHL.. are the NHL expenses the same? are they paying for the WNBA and NBDL? are they spending gazillions in pushing their sport globally? a lot of expenses come from this.. now if the NBA players don't want the owners to spend on globalization(which benefits the players pockets), and if they want them to cut the other leagues out.... then so be it... we will see where their hearts are then....

TKF, i agree with some of the stuff you have said, but the stuff about WNBA, NBDL and overseas is ridiculous... if that's the cause for "a lot of expenses" that are raising costs, how is it benefitting the player's pockets? it is clearly taking money away from the players at this point.

but you raise a good issue - not too long ago, stern was talking about NBA franchises in europe. how much money did the league piss away on that idea before it crashed? and we've heard for years the WNBA doesn't support it's own weight - does it keep separate books? or what? and the NBDL seems mismanaged, too.

it doesn't seem right to make the players bear the burden for that expense, especially when something as simple as the league sharing all TV revenue is just not ever going to happen. the local TV deals are the real pots of gold. and knicks, lakers, bulls and other big market teams do NOT want to share them. small market teams should be pissed about that, not players. if small market teams got an even cut of all tv money, they could afford to keep stars. the NBA system is messed up, but it has little to do with how the players are compensated. that's my issue. owners are trying to fix the problem by taking it out of the player's cut instead of fixing their own agreements with one another and rectifying HORRIBLE business decisions.

another note is that david stern negotiated a terrible tv deal for the nba that runs 5 more years on the national tv level. again, that's not the players fault. nba had some of it's highest ratings ever last season and the only people who got more money was ESPN for having a sweetheart deal with the NBA and being able to charge more for ad spots.

the fact that the nba wants a ten year deal is stupid. if they were smart they'd do a 2yr deal and not lose revenue that IS NEVER COMING BACK. do a 2yr deal with what is on the table now and keep negotiating. or do a 5yr deal and revisit when the chance is there to get a more lucrative national tv deal.

the "robust" revenue sharing that leech adam silver mentioned is a crock of sh!t too, by the way. they are gonna share $150??!?? the lakers ALONE make $150M off their TV deal. Lakers ALONE. lord knows what the knicks or bulls make. or the nyets, being on YES. jeez, the nba is poorly poorly run on almost every level and these dip**** owners are acting like it's the players fault. they need to clean up the rest of their business. they got back 5pts on the BRI from the players, now clean up some other stuff. these owners are lazy and don't fully pay attention to these teams as their businesses. they are side businesses, hobbies for billionaires and their sh!tty level of attention has resulted in some sh!tty bookkeeping.

CrushAlot wrote:From Sam Amick:

While two weeks of the regular season have already been canceled and at least two more are expected to go soon, two sources close to the negotiations said the union believes that Stern assured his ESPN and TNT television partners that, by back-ending the missed games, he can still deliver an 82-game season even if starts in December. Accurate or not, the players' perception of when their early paychecks will truly be gone for good will determine when they reach for the panic button. Conversely, it seems clear the owners want to push this timeline to the brink to get their dream deal, knowing full well what might happen when players miss the first round of paychecks in mid-November and a second round two weeks later.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/10/21/lockout/index.html#ixzz1bREzqEpe

what Sam says makes sense to me.

crzymdups wrote:

tkf wrote:

then I would tell my boss, the current system is broken and it needs to be fixed.. but oh wait.... isn't that what they are trying to do?

As far as the NHL.. are the NHL expenses the same? are they paying for the WNBA and NBDL? are they spending gazillions in pushing their sport globally? a lot of expenses come from this.. now if the NBA players don't want the owners to spend on globalization(which benefits the players pockets), and if they want them to cut the other leagues out.... then so be it... we will see where their hearts are then....

TKF, i agree with some of the stuff you have said, but the stuff about WNBA, NBDL and overseas is ridiculous... if that's the cause for "a lot of expenses" that are raising costs, how is it benefitting the player's pockets? it is clearly taking money away from the players at this point.

but you raise a good issue - not too long ago, stern was talking about NBA franchises in europe. how much money did the league piss away on that idea before it crashed? and we've heard for years the WNBA doesn't support it's own weight - does it keep separate books? or what? and the NBDL seems mismanaged, too.

it doesn't seem right to make the players bear the burden for that expense, especially when something as simple as the league sharing all TV revenue is just not ever going to happen. the local TV deals are the real pots of gold. and knicks, lakers, bulls and other big market teams do NOT want to share them. small market teams should be pissed about that, not players. if small market teams got an even cut of all tv money, they could afford to keep stars. the NBA system is messed up, but it has little to do with how the players are compensated. that's my issue. owners are trying to fix the problem by taking it out of the player's cut instead of fixing their own agreements with one another and rectifying HORRIBLE business decisions.

another note is that david stern negotiated a terrible tv deal for the nba that runs 5 more years on the national tv level. again, that's not the players fault. nba had some of it's highest ratings ever last season and the only people who got more money was ESPN for having a sweetheart deal with the NBA and being able to charge more for ad spots.

the fact that the nba wants a ten year deal is stupid. if they were smart they'd do a 2yr deal and not lose revenue that IS NEVER COMING BACK. do a 2yr deal with what is on the table now and keep negotiating. or do a 5yr deal and revisit when the chance is there to get a more lucrative national tv deal.

the "robust" revenue sharing that leech adam silver mentioned is a crock of sh!t too, by the way. they are gonna share $150??!?? the lakers ALONE make $150M off their TV deal. Lakers ALONE. lord knows what the knicks or bulls make. or the nyets, being on YES. jeez, the nba is poorly poorly run on almost every level and these dip**** owners are acting like it's the players fault. they need to clean up the rest of their business. they got back 5pts on the BRI from the players, now clean up some other stuff. these owners are lazy and don't fully pay attention to these teams as their businesses. they are side businesses, hobbies for billionaires and their sh!tty level of attention has resulted in some sh!tty bookkeeping.

well I never said that the WNBA and NBDL helps the players pockets, I was just saying those are additional expenses the NBA has that the NHL doesn't.. but the globalization of the game has helped the NBA and in turn has helped the players pockets.. when people in Europe tune in to watch NBA games, buy NBA products, that goes into the players pockets as well.

As far as revenue sharing goes it is not the answer, it can help, but hey, why should the knicks give money to the kings so that they can continue to pay salaries that are choking the league.. what the players are saying.. hey, so what we are making too much, if the bobcats can't pay us then lets take money from the knicks and lakers to cover our salaries.... where do you think the largest portion of the revenue goes?

I keep hearing about taking money from players? Hogwash.. the old, flawed CBA is done... this is not a reneogotiation.... the owners are not asking the player to take less.. they are making the players an offer that is less than what they made before.. The players are demanding more than the owners are offering.. lets get that straight...

they are side businesses, hobbies for billionaires and their sh!tty level of attention has resulted in some sh!tty bookkeeping.

Tell that to mark Cuban... you see this is the problem , because these guys are rich the players and some fans expect them to keep dishing out money, so that the fans can see basketball and the players can keep cashing checks.. regardless of how much money the owners are losing...

we just don't agree here, but otherwise, good work with your post...

tkf wrote:As far as revenue sharing goes it is not the answer, it can help, but hey, why should the knicks give money to the kings so that they can continue to pay salaries that are choking the league.. what the players are saying.. hey, so what we are making too much, if the bobcats can't pay us then lets take money from the knicks and lakers to cover our salaries.... where do you think the largest portion of the revenue goes?

tkf wrote:I keep hearing about taking money from players? Hogwash.. the old, flawed CBA is done... this is not a reneogotiation.... the owners are not asking the player to take less.. they are making the players an offer that is less than what they made before.. The players are demanding more than the owners are offering.. lets get that straight...

For all of Stern's masterful manipulation Thursday, the reality is this: the players have offered to surrender more than $1 billion of their previous salaries, have offered shorter contracts, smaller raises, more restrictions on big-market spending, and have dug in only on the issues of a technical hard salary cap and guaranteed contracts. Stern's negotiation position has made it seem like a victory that the players have managed to preserve even that much, while somehow thwarting the owners' quest to re-open previously signed contracts and suck money out of them, too.

"Player sharing," was the euphemism Stern assigned to the new world order the owners are seeking. "That's what caps do. They move players around. They distribute players a little more equally."

The Knicks Fix
Interesting. Hunter hints at deal "w/in striking distance" and said its up to #NBA, what they do next. Stern smiles and says "Tomorrow!"

The Knicks Fix
Stern continues to stress importance of Friday. "No guarantees" a deal gets done, "but we'll give it one heck of a shot tomorrow." #NBA

Most optimistic I've been during the entire lockout.

Actually, I should just say, I'd be happier with a season! Period.

Its the players choice.

Teams can rest players as they need to. Throw away games.

Its will suck. Say Knicks down in Charlotte and they want to "rest" Amare. You know the old "tendenitous)" trick!

Knicks don't practice so they'll be fine. In fact, Bring AI in. He'll fit in well.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Markji wrote:

I'd be happier with a 72 game season and we don't pack the schedule to make up for lost games. Our guys will need some rest and practice during the season. And pushing the playoffs into July is too long of a season. Championship needs to end by mid-June. That's already a long season.

Actually, I should just say, I'd be happier with a season! Period.

No I agree. An 82 games schedule would be a bad idea. Just start the schedule how it would have, in December except make sure each team will play the same number of games. Having too many games clumped in will lead to bad injuries throughout the league, and that's worse in the NBA than it is in football.

I'd prefer they make up games carefully and extend the season a couple weeks to do make ups. Easier on the players bodies.

82 game and then the playoffs? Gotta take a toll.

That's fine if they get back in time. But time for a full season is just barely reasonable at this point. Or sane.