Hibbert is just too big for us to handle and collison is too quick for Billups to handle.

They don't have "STARS"!

Can't coach Quickness and height.

Its like some of you are just appalled that a lowly team like the Pacers have beaten us. We are not the Lakers.

fishmike wrote:fire the coach, get more players who have never defended in their NBA careers and other guys too old to defend any more and watch the next coach have a lousy defensive team also.

Just out of curiosity fish, do you think garnering some of these players is with Mike's input? I mean, Mike and Donnie wanted Joe Johnson over Amare (who is here because that is the way the chips fell). I mean I can point to some guys and see they were here by circumstance..Felton(we needed a PG so we got the best we could in the market), Chandler (Holdover), Amare all were kind of here by circumstance.

I see Randolph and Turiaf here as all Donnie on a few levels. First off Donnie pulled off a near identical trade with Portland for Jermaine when he was buried and all potential in Portland. He traded a borderline All star PF at the time (Dale Davis) for him. So Randolph, Turiaf (a poor man's Dale/Antonio Davis clone), Fields (a scrappy, unheralded tweener), Mozgov (I really see a little Rik Skits in him), and Shawne Williams (a Indy reclamation project), Douglas(a shoot first PG project-Not a Mike D type of player) all have Donnie's fingerprints all over them.

The only guys I can see that really have Mike's prints on them are Gallo and maybe Mason, maybe maybe maybe Carmelo?

We all know Mike and Donnie have different views on basketball. And Donnie was pretty open when he hired Mike saying we got a coach players want to play for...at a time when the "best" player in the league was on the market. I say this with all objectivity intended...Maybe Mike's usefulness past when Lebron's talents went to Miami.

That is a really bad sign.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:So we can go into Miami and win, we go into Orlando and shoulda won if not for Jameer going nuts (and Howard aint small), we go into Memphis and win. But, we just can't beat Cleveland who is plain awful and Indiana who comes in with a 6 game losing streak (and Granger doesn't even play in the garden). That to me is too big of an anomoly. The team gets up for the good teams but can't muster the guts and energy for the putrid teams.

That is a really bad sign.

yuppers... Like Carlisle called his players out as soft. Our guys are the same. Its got to come from them. They think they can coast for 45 minutes and finish strong and win.

Oh C'mon!!

We know these players are not hustling and of course they are at fault. But, someone needs to light a fire under their tush and it is obviously not MDA.

The Coach is inevitibly responsible for what happens on the court and what the players do or don't do. You want to trade Anthony? I could care less ... but this coach is clueless

nyk4ever wrote:i would love to see the reaction from you guys when d'antoni benches amar'e and melo for not playing defense. yeah that'll send the message.

I personally would love to see that.

But he played Duhon over Douglas because, well, Duhon sucked and Douglas was an unknown.

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i would love to see the reaction from you guys when d'antoni benches amar'e and melo for not playing defense. yeah that'll send the message.

Would love it but unfortunately that would definitely get him fired. Fans paying exorbitant amounts of dough dont wanna see their "stars" on the bench. I myself would give him a standing ovation. At least I would see that he cares.

to what end? do you think the Knicks have bench guys that can carry the team for stretches?

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i would love to see the reaction from you guys when d'antoni benches amar'e and melo for not playing defense. yeah that'll send the message.

Would love it but unfortunately that would definitely get him fired. Fans paying exorbitant amounts of dough dont wanna see their "stars" on the bench. I myself would give him a standing ovation. At least I would see that he cares.

to what end? do you think the Knicks have bench guys that can carry the team for stretches?

I don't think the bench can really carry them but the message is the most important.

The bench actually played really well in our 6 wins.

hey, a message would be nice. But then you are forfeiting the game for the most part, and MDA would also probably signaling the end of his time with the team too.

nyk4ever wrote:i would love to see the reaction from you guys when d'antoni benches amar'e and melo for not playing defense. yeah that'll send the message.

I wouldn't mind it at all. I wouldn't bench them at the same time but definitely sit both of them for good stretches alternately. Put in all energy guys with Amar'e put control dirty work players with Melo.....

Carter
Douglas(hate to but)
Fields
Brown/Amar'e
Amar'e/Turiaf

then

Billups
Walker
Melo
Williams/Brown
Williams/Turiaf

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i would love to see the reaction from you guys when d'antoni benches amar'e and melo for not playing defense. yeah that'll send the message.

Would love it but unfortunately that would definitely get him fired. Fans paying exorbitant amounts of dough dont wanna see their "stars" on the bench. I myself would give him a standing ovation. At least I would see that he cares.

to what end? do you think the Knicks have bench guys that can carry the team for stretches?

I don't think the bench can really carry them but the message is the most important.

The bench actually played really well in our 6 wins.

hey, a message would be nice. But then you are forfeiting the game for the most part, and MDA would also probably signaling the end of his time with the team too.

That is exactly what I was saying. It would be great but it can't happen. He would be signing his death certificate.

yeah, that's kind of boring and played. This fire the coach thing doesn't seem too well thought out. It's like Isiah GM mentality.

Knicks aren't doing well, certainly, but it's not obvious that they should be winning all of the time either. Should the Lakers have fired Phil Jackson when they slumped in the beginning of the year? How about Miami, they should have gotten rid of their coach twice this year by all accounts. Doc is a genious coach in Boston but fired in Orlando.

Yay for mob mentality.

Knicks are an unbalanced team with severe deficiencies. They lack rebounders at the C/PF. They lack a starting C. Chauncy is obviously still hurt. They get just about zero effort from their 2 stars on defense. They start a rookie. Can Shawne Williams be considered a rookie? Their 2 best so-called defenders and bigs are also the most inept offensive players. TD is getting healthy and actually performed over the past 2 weeks.

What's yours your expectation? Obviously there is gobs or room for better effort. Win all games? two-thirds of them? Half? just about more than half? what is it?

to me i didn't expect HUGE things from this team after this trade because with all the moving parts, it's kinda hard to gel and come together in the middle of the season while you are trying to win games. the billups injury didn't help either because it messed up the rotations twice. this team is going to lose bad games like they are to the pacers for the rest of this year. next year is going to be the true test after a full offseason and training camp. i hate to compare to the heat, but they seriously struggled this year in the beginning too (everyone knows this) even WITH a full training camp. it's not going to happen overnight.

also it's easy to say guys need to start playing defense, but asking guys like amar'e and melo to play defense when they never have before is kinda difficult.

Juice wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i would love to see the reaction from you guys when d'antoni benches amar'e and melo for not playing defense. yeah that'll send the message.

Would love it but unfortunately that would definitely get him fired. Fans paying exorbitant amounts of dough dont wanna see their "stars" on the bench. I myself would give him a standing ovation. At least I would see that he cares.

to what end? do you think the Knicks have bench guys that can carry the team for stretches?

I don't think the bench can really carry them but the message is the most important.

The bench actually played really well in our 6 wins.

hey, a message would be nice. But then you are forfeiting the game for the most part, and MDA would also probably signaling the end of his time with the team too.

That is exactly what I was saying. It would be great but it can't happen. He would be signing his death certificate.

yeah, that's kind of boring and played. This fire the coach thing doesn't seem too well thought out. It's like Isiah GM mentality.

Knicks aren't doing well, certainly, but it's not obvious that they should be winning all of the time either. Should the Lakers have fired Phil Jackson when they slumped in the beginning of the year? How about Miami, they should have gotten rid of their coach twice this year by all accounts. Doc is a genious coach in Boston but fired in Orlando.

Yay for mob mentality.

Knicks are an unbalanced team with severe deficiencies. They lack rebounders at the C/PF. They lack a starting C. Chauncy is obviously still hurt. They get just about zero effort from their 2 stars on defense. They start a rookie. Can Shawne Williams be considered a rookie? Their 2 best so-called defenders and bigs are also the most inept offensive players. TD is getting healthy and actually performed over the past 2 weeks.

What's yours your expectation? Obviously there is gobs or room for better effort. Win all games? two-thirds of them? Half? just about more than half? what is it?

to me i didn't expect HUGE things from this team after this trade because with all the moving parts, it's kinda hard to gel and come together in the middle of the season while you are trying to win games. the billups injury didn't help either because it messed up the rotations twice. this team is going to lose bad games like they are to the pacers for the rest of this year. next year is going to be the true test after a full offseason and training camp. i hate to compare to the heat, but they seriously struggled this year in the beginning too (everyone knows this) even WITH a full training camp. it's not going to happen overnight.

also it's easy to say guys need to start playing defense, but asking guys like amar'e and melo to play defense when they never have before is kinda difficult.

The team went 4-2 without Billups...his injury is being way overblown. Our offense actually hasn't looked too bad remember all statistics show as a team the addition of Melo has helped. We're losing because we don't play enough defense. Place the blame where you may but it doesn't have much to do at all with new players. Shawne Williams made comments after the game about PRIDE and CARING about playing defense. A new season and camp may help to an extent but honestly it all will start once the culture changes collectively either with this group of players or the next group. Here's the kick it can start now we don't need a new camp to discover you have to play both sides of the ball to win consistently. Also getting paid $18mil and $18mil and $13mil and $6mil says it ain't about camp and familiarity.

All this talk about MDA needing camp is garbage. The Pacers change coaches, and Frank Vogel seems to be doing better than ok without any camp. Sure, he might be running the same systems, but clearly, he has had an impact.

We have two all stars, they have none.

Two back to back losses to a team that is seeded lower than us.

No excuses.